Don't Tread on me is so 1800..........

darthtang aw

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Don't touch my junk

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By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, November 19, 2010
Ah, the airport, where modern folk heroes are made. The airport, where that inspired flight attendant did what everyone who's ever been in the spam-in-a-can crush of a flying aluminum tube - where we collectively pretend that a clutch of peanuts is a meal and a seat cushion is a "flotation device" - has always dreamed of doing: pull the lever, blow the door, explode the chute, grab a beer, slide to the tarmac and walk through the gates to the sanity that lies beyond. Not since Rick and Louis disappeared into the Casablanca fog headed for the Free French garrison in Brazzaville has a stroll on the tarmac thrilled so many.
Who cares that the crazed steward got arrested, pleaded guilty to sundry charges, and probably was a rude, unpleasant SOB to begin with? Bonnie and Clyde were psychopaths, yet what child of the '60s did not fall in love with Faye Dunaway and Warren Beatty?
And now three months later, the newest airport hero arrives. His genius was not innovation in getting out, but deconstructing the entire process of getting in. John Tyner, cleverly armed with an iPhone to give YouTube immortality to the encounter, took exception to the TSA guard about to give him the benefit of Homeland Security's newest brainstorm - the upgraded, full-palm, up the groin, all-body pat-down. In a stroke, the young man ascended to myth, or at least the next edition of Bartlett's, warning the agent not to "touch my junk."
Not quite the 18th-century elegance of "Don't Tread on Me," but the age of Twitter has a different cadence from the age of the musket. What the modern battle cry lacks in archaic charm, it makes up for in full-body syllabic punch.
Don't touch my junk is the anthem of the modern man, the Tea Party patriot, the late-life libertarian, the midterm election voter. Don't touch my junk, Obamacare - get out of my doctor's examining room, I'm wearing a paper-thin gown slit down the back. Don't touch my junk, Google - Street View is cool, but get off my street. Don't touch my junk, you airport security goon - my package belongs to no one but me, and do you really think I'm a Nigerian nut job preparing for my 72-virgin orgy by blowing my johnson to kingdom come?
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In "Up in the Air," that ironic take on the cramped freneticism of airport life, George Clooney explains why he always follows Asians in the security line:
"They pack light, travel efficiently, and they got a thing for slip-on shoes, God love 'em."
"That's racist!"
"I'm like my mother. I stereotype. It's faster."
That riff is a crowd-pleaser because everyone knows that the entire apparatus of the security line is a national homage to political correctness. Nowhere do more people meekly acquiesce to more useless inconvenience and needless indignity for less purpose. Wizened seniors strain to untie their shoes; beltless salesmen struggle comically to hold up their pants; 3-year-olds scream while being searched insanely for explosives - when everyone, everyone, knows that none of these people is a threat to anyone.
The ultimate idiocy is the full-body screening of the pilot. The pilot doesn't need a bomb or box cutter to bring down a plane. All he has to do is drive it into the water, like the EgyptAir pilot who crashed his plane off Nantucket while intoning "I rely on God," killing all on board.
But we must not bring that up. We pretend that we go through this nonsense as a small price paid to ensure the safety of air travel. Rubbish. This has nothing to do with safety - 95 percent of these inspections, searches, shoe removals and pat-downs are ridiculously unnecessary. The only reason we continue to do this is that people are too cowed to even question the absurd taboo against profiling - when the profile of the airline attacker is narrow, concrete, uniquely definable and universally known. So instead of seeking out terrorists, we seek out tubes of gel in stroller pouches.
The junk man's revolt marks the point at which a docile public declares that it will tolerate only so much idiocy. Metal detector? Back-of-the-hand pat? Okay. We will swallow hard and pretend airline attackers are randomly distributed in the population.
But now you insist on a full-body scan, a fairly accurate representation of my naked image to be viewed by a total stranger? Or alternatively, the full-body pat-down, which, as the junk man correctly noted, would be sexual assault if performed by anyone else?
This time you have gone too far, Big Bro'. The sleeping giant awakes. Take my shoes, remove my belt, waste my time and try my patience. But don't touch my junk.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Don't want your "junk touched"? Don't fly. Stay at home. Be a Griswold and drive where you want to go. I've been on a world tour the last month or so, and have been in about 10 various airports (US, Europe, and Mid East). Since they've implemented this little system, I haven't been asked to go through it once. It's a random selection. Not sure if they are "profiling", or just grabbing random people out of the lines. It is what it is. If I get pulled out to go through the thing, I'll probably take the scan. Maybe they'll find a tumor or something I'm not aware of, and let me know.
I did talk to a guy at the airport who told me about an "incident" in one of the Cali airports the other day that he observed. He was right behind this guy who was pulled to get screened. He opted to have the "pat down". When the screener was patting the guy's leg, he stopped, looked up at the guy with his eyes wide open, and the guy just looked down with a big grin on his face. The screener stopped immediately and told the guy he could go. This guy I talked to asked the guy why the screener stopped so abruptly. The guy told him he had put on this "extension" to his member prior to going through the security line. He figured he'd either get the reaction he got from the screener, or they'd pull him aside and ask him to drop his pants. He said if they did make him drop his pants, what could they do? There's no law against adding several inches to your private parts if you're into that sort of thing.
 

mantisman51

Active Member
I agree with the K-man. My wife fly's for work 6-8 times a year. She is a blonde haired and blue eyed 39 year old woman. She gets patted down and extra screening almost EVERY damn time. If libs can't see that is a HUGE problem, they are hopeless. The @$$-kicking of 2 weeks ago is just the start. The people of America are sick of this crap and Obama patronizes us by saying "I know airport security is bothersome..." No, he doesn't know and any lib who says "so don't fly" is part of the problem. The American people (lib and con) are speaking to the President right now and he brushes us off as though we are all just uninformed rednecks. Well, the @$$-kicking in 2012 may get his attention. I didn't vote for Bush the second time and his "homeland security" crap was the final straw. BTW, in SLC in March my wife was pulled out of line for a full screening and 3 (clearly) Middle Eastern men in front of her went through without any hassle. They'll risk a damned terrorist attack by letting a high risk demographic for a terrorist fly through to pull a low risk demographic out for the sake of not appearing to be profiling. Yup there was a whole lot of white poeple around the world dancing in the street after 911 wasn't there? And how about all those Norwegians we are hunting down in Afghanistan? And those dirty Dutch we stopped from blowing up those 5 British airliners sure were dangerous. Oh yeah, and all those Italians on 911 that hijacked the planes, shows you can't trust them either. Oh wait, it wasn't Asians, Caucasians, Native American, Pacific Islanders, it was Middle Eastern and North African men who attacked us then and are trying to attack us now. That is the truth and no liberal spin is gonna change that and make Americans of all races accept 39 y/o blonde women being screened while Middle Eastern men are whisked through.
 

reefraff

Active Member
You don't have a right to fly. If you don't like the rules then don't fly.
The ultimate solution is to require a computer background check at the time the tickets are issued. With modern technology all you need to do is provide a thumb print at the ticket agency then use it as your boarding pass at the airport. Not only will it save a lot of money, it will make it a whole lot easier to scrutinize those who need it.
 

mantisman51

Active Member
The back up response of despots and liberals everywhere. Not a very conservative mindset at all. And what part of that statement corresponds with "We are endowed with certain inalienable rights by our Creator"? The government is not the grantor or creator of our rights, God is. So, unless it is specifically outlined in the Constitution those in government have no right to do it. Reef, you are an incrementalist. Just keep giving a little more and a little more. It's for the greater good after all. This attitude/position is why I am no longer a Republican. The only difference between dems and reps is how much government control they each want. It is pathetic.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800#post_3330781
The back up response of despots and liberals everywhere. Not a very conservative mindset at all. And what part of that statement corresponds with "We are endowed with certain inalienable rights by our Creator"? The government is not the grantor or creator of our rights, God is. So, unless it is specifically outlined in the Constitution those in government have no right to do it. Reef, you are an incrementalist. Just keep giving a little more and a little more. It's for the greater good after all. This attitude/position is why I am no longer a Republican. The only difference between dems and reps is how much government control they each want. It is pathetic.
I haven't been a Republican since the late 90's.
That doesn't change the fact that you have no right to fly. Just like you have no right to drive. How does having a body scan violate your rights? Don't those who are flying with you have the right not to get blow out of the sky by somebody with a bomb shove up their butt?
 

bang guy

Moderator
If people stop flying because of this then the airports will find some other way. If people still fly then they are telling the TSA it's acceptable.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
lol, quite a conumdrum isn't it... Too bad liberal's would rather have 80 year old granny's and 10 year old american's strip searched, "love patted", and irradiated, than checking who we really need to be checking....
 

slice

Active Member
Another in a long line of upside down and backwards approaches.
We bend over backwards to uphold the "rights" of terrorists as if they were a citizen while treating each traveling citizen as a suspected terrorist.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
I see Bionic is back. funny he railled about the patriot act a few years ago. About how the government tracking comp access and such in public libraries is a violation of privacy. Yet this is ok. personally i dont have an issue with it...i dont fly anymore..haven't for many years. However..if you dont go thru the scanner how does the pat down find a bomb up the butt? seriously...or implemented actions for "security" are becoming more and more assinine. The fear is a bomb breast implant...welll..how does the pat down find this. We dont profile during these screenings at all.
Darth (When I become a dirty 90 year old man I will start flying more) Tang
 
I'm obviously a liberal, and I have no problem with what they are doing. None whatsoever. If your life is at risk (which I think its pretty obvious it is at this point), then put up with something as minute as a pat down or a full body scan. Unless you fly all the time, the "radiation" risks are about the same as using your microwave oven every day. So I don't really want to hear that excuse. And if you feel like you are being "violated", then don't fly.
I happen to fly at least once a month, and I can honestly say that I feel better knowing these are happening. Sure, it may mean that terrorists are going to have to try and find something else to do, but you know what, that time frame is more time that I'm not at risk. So i'll take it...
What's funny is that companies like Facebook and Google do WAY more to violate your privacy than the TSA or Homeland Security will ever do. Yet you don't see people up in arms about that... Hmm...
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Yea Darth, I've been 'traveling abroad', protecting your freedoms by tracking down 'bad guys' that have been infiltrating our military networks overseas. Actually caught a few this time. I honestly don't have a clue what you're talking about tracking people's access in public libraries. I don't have a problem with it, considering the pervs like to go to the local library and surf porn right in front of small girls sitting next to him. As far as this scanning/ pat down issue? You're right, if you don't want to adhere to the policies, don't fly. The new system isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. The pat downs wouldn't be necessary if the Conservative fear mongers didn't throw out all these myths about how the radiation from this scanner would make you impotent, or cause an immediate heart attack. From everything I've read, the scanners have been shown to be safe. But they have to have alternative measures in place for those that have refused. This country is lucky that all they do is pat the inside of your leg and your butt with the back of their hand. Try traveling to some of these foreign countries where they may suspect you carrying contraband. One of my employees was coming out of Turkey, and some 'red flag' went off, and they took him in the back for a COMPLETE body search. Imagine having to take every stitch of clothing off, lean over on a table, and have a probe push up your rear looking for 'substances'. If he would have refused, they would've throw him in jail, period. When you're on their turf, they make tthe rules. He did absolutely nothing wrong, just mistaken for another person with the same name. Needless to say, he won't be going back to Turkey anytime soon.
 

flower

Well-Known Member

I will never fly nor travel abroad...thank you bionicarm. Personally I may trust US scanners but who knows about the other countries. Agoraphobia just deosn't have the sting it once did....folks will fully understand now.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800#post_3331051
I'm obviously a liberal, and I have no problem with what they are doing. None whatsoever. If your life is at risk (which I think its pretty obvious it is at this point), then put up with something as minute as a pat down or a full body scan. Unless you fly all the time, the "radiation" risks are about the same as using your microwave oven every day. So I don't really want to hear that excuse. And if you feel like you are being "violated", then don't fly.
I happen to fly at least once a month, and I can honestly say that I feel better knowing these are happening. Sure, it may mean that terrorists are going to have to try and find something else to do, but you know what, that time frame is more time that I'm not at risk. So i'll take it...
What's funny is that companies like Facebook and Google do WAY more to violate your privacy than the TSA or Homeland Security will ever do. Yet you don't see people up in arms about that... Hmm...
But wiretapping terrorists... Oh hell no!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800#post_3331059
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid
http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800#post_3331051
I'm obviously a liberal, and I have no problem with what they are doing. None whatsoever. If your life is at risk (which I think its pretty obvious it is at this point), then put up with something as minute as a pat down or a full body scan. Unless you fly all the time, the "radiation" risks are about the same as using your microwave oven every day. So I don't really want to hear that excuse. And if you feel like you are being "violated", then don't fly.
I happen to fly at least once a month, and I can honestly say that I feel better knowing these are happening. Sure, it may mean that terrorists are going to have to try and find something else to do, but you know what, that time frame is more time that I'm not at risk. So i'll take it...
What's funny is that companies like Facebook and Google do WAY more to violate your privacy than the TSA or Homeland Security will ever do. Yet you don't see people up in arms about that... Hmm...
But wiretapping terrorists... Oh hell no!
I say wiretap away! I'm one of those people who feels like if you don't have anything to hide, then what are you so worried about in the first place?
 

reefraff

Active Member
The beautiful thing about the warrentless wire taps is if they catch you doing anything but terrorism the evidence is thrown out. I say tap away too. Heck, I don't even know anyone overseas so they have no reason to tap me anyway.
 

aquaknight

Active Member
My thing with "flying is not a right" is well, it sort of is. Let's use the driving example first. "Driving is a privilege, not a right." True, and I agree with what the specifics are meant with that quote. Driving on public roads provided by local/state/federal governments is absolutely a privilege and you must abide by their rules. However, the mere act of a consumer purchasing an automobile from a company, the government doesn't, and shouldn't have any say in. From a strictly economic point of view, if someone with 4 DUI's who will never drive again wanted to purchase a car, if somehow they could afford it, I guess technically sh/would be allowed to do so.
Getting back to flying and being groped, what you are doing when you purchase a plane ticket, is basically a service contract being yourself and a commercial airline. There isn't any government airlines yet (please spare me the bailout jazz). I do however fully realize how muddy the water are. Airports are all entirely government entities, paid for with tax dollars, and the whole operation is very heavily regulated. However, my point is that the core, you have, or should have, every right to see the deal you purchased from the commercial airline honored, whether or not you are fine with seeing your wife/child/whatever fondled by a GED achieving TSA agent....
My other point which I mentioned in the other thread, but was already hit on, in this one, is where is this going to end? Body scans and pat-downs are just response to present-day threats. What happens as terrorist tech grows? Are we then going to be subject to full body searches, just to fly?
 

cranberry

Active Member
I don't think I quite get your point in how it relates to flying.
Quote:
Originally Posted by AquaKnight http:///forum/thread/381961/don-t-tread-on-me-is-so-1800#post_3331158
My thing with "flying is not a right" is well, it sort of is. Let's use the driving example first. "Driving is a privilege, not a right." True, and I agree with what the specifics are meant with that quote. Driving on public roads provided by local/state/federal governments is absolutely a privilege and you must abide by their rules. However, the mere act of a consumer purchasing an automobile from a company, the government doesn't, and shouldn't have any say in. From a strictly economic point of view, if someone with 4 DUI's who will never drive again wanted to purchase a car, if somehow they could afford it, I guess technically sh/would be allowed to do so.
 
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