Elegence Coral- Why expert only ?

moonie

Member
I have two and they are doing fine. I feed them shrimp that I buy from the grocery store weekly and they catch flake that I feed the tank. snails and crabs crawl over them;. I too was told that they are easy to take care of, Now saying this mine will probably die tonight. Maybe you should directly feed yours and give it a boost. Just my 2¢ worth
 

big

Active Member
Originally Posted by moonie
I have two and they are doing fine. I feed them shrimp that I buy from the grocery store weekly and they catch flake that I feed the tank. snails and crabs crawl over them;. I too was told that they are easy to take care of, Now saying this mine will probably die tonight. Maybe you should directly feed yours and give it a boost. Just my 2¢ worth
First how long have you had them?? More than a year? Secondly do read the research that is out there. And any thing they can "reach out and touch "they may and will kill. Notice the lack of anything close by. ........ Warren
 

chilwil84

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my bad on coral mag the article i read is on the current online mag of the other big forum a couple people mentioned his name earlier eric boreman(sp)
 

big

Active Member
Originally Posted by moonie
my two probably touch and all is fine. Sometimes knowing too much causes problems

Two Elegance corals touching each other would not be a threat to the Elegance. I was referring to them in contact with other coral types. Having two, how big is your tank? And again how long have you had them??????????????
 

sh2000

Member
Mine is doing great I had it for almost 2 weeks. The skeleton is around 6 inches,how fast will it grow before it gets too big for my 80 gal RT. (I have 25 Corals not so much empty room left).Mine does not look like the pic above it looks different maybe I'ts not a real Elegance ? I'm running MH Lighting 5 hours a day. and actinics 4x65 for 10-12 hours a day.
 

big

Active Member
Originally Posted by SH2000
Mine is doing great I had it for almost 2 weeks. The skeleton is around 6 inches,how fast will it grow before it gets too big for my 80 gal RT. (I have 25 Corals not so much empty room left).Mine does not look like the pic above it looks different maybe I'ts not a real Elegance ? I'm running MH Lighting 5 hours a day. and actinics 4x65 for 10-12 hours a day.

The one I showed is my Elegance, The site shows it to as their example. Post us a shot of your coral lets see for sure what it is! Warren
 

sh2000

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I posted a pic of mine under actinic lighting earlier in this thread..will post another pic under MH's tom night.
 

mscarpena

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New2Salt1
don't see how you can just dismiss someones experience and say it is BS. I have had the same expeirence the the crab. I bought an elegance coral after watching it do well in the LFS for about 2 months or so. I had it for about 2 mon ths then it started to decline. So one day I looked at it really well and saw some orange claws going like mad. So I picked it up to take a closer look and a small orange, grey, purple crab. The grab had actually burrowed itself into the coral. I do not think that the coral was declining then the crab entered it. I think that the crab entered it and made the coral decline. Now I am not 100% sure because the crab was extremely small. I pulled it out with a pair of tweezers and the elegance coral started to improve. It is now about 4-5 months after removing the crab and it has 100% recovered. Now neither of us are saying that this is the one and only decline of the elegance coral in aquariums.
I do however disagree with your statement that we should all go out and continue to buy a coral that is not living in aquariums. There are many people that have more experience and more qualification then the normal aquarists that are working to solve this issue. I have read some stuff on these corals as well and one thing that I read is that the location of the collections is the decline of these corals. Such as the ones that were higher up in the ocean are no longer there due to the colloction. So it forced collectors to dive down deeper and this person states that these have thinner skin and when they are brought up and placed in an aquarium they are getting the equivilant of a sunburn. I took this advice and placed it at the bottom of my aquarium in the sand and the VHO lighting that I had was sheilded by a huge gorgonia. I placed it there for about 2 months then moved the gorgonia. I also have it in nice indirect flow that bounces off the glass. I am also not saying that this is the one and only problem as well. This is just what worked for me.
So since you have had good sucess what you should do is post what you do and don't do. I do not reccomend that you push people top buy these corals because there are a lot of people that do not know about the poor survival rate. So pushing some one to buy a $70-$100 coral that will wither away and die in there aquarium is not a very nice way to start off in this hobby. There are a lot of corals, fish, and inverts that should not be sold in this hobby and I do not think that anyone should support purchasing these species. I only bought the elegance because it was doing very well for 2 months and it was $30.00. Also I have been in SF hobby for 6 YRS and concinder myself advanced, but these corals are nopt for the beginer. Also increasing the demand in my opion will do nothing but take healthy corals from the wild and place them in peoples tanks where about 90% of them will die. I think that we should leave these corals where they are and let the people who are qualified do this research like Marine Biologists. Also yes were are supposed to leave these corals in the wild because it does not make sense to collect them, place them in an aquarium, spend money, then watch them die. You are just putting money into peoples pockets that frankly don care about the health and well being of these corals once they make there quick buck.
I am really glad that your elegance is doing very well, but your success story is few and far between maybe there is something to be learned from your coral and you should post exactly what you do. Then if there are some more advacnced aquarist that are willing to take a chance we can put your findings to the test, but I find it hard to beleive that poor aquarium practices(lack of water changes and low calcium levels) are the key. They survive in the ocean and that is not the norm in the ocean. They get very high water quality and about 425 PPM calcium consistantly.
Aslo no one is saying to stay away from aquacultured corals. Almost everyone I know would say to purchase them over wild caught corals. I have never seen an aquacultured elegance and I'll bet 98% of the people on this board have never seen one either. If you do I would say buy it if you can, but you pushing the elegance as a whole because you know of a few aquacultured ones does not seem right to me. Again I ma very glad yours is doing extremely well and do not want to argue about this, but think you are going about helping the elegance corals in the wrong way. I do admire your ambition and people with that ambition will help bring about a cure or findings in this hobby, but I suggest you channel it in different ways other than urging people to purchase a coral just to have it die. Good luck and keep us posted on your findings.
 

shrimpi

Active Member
+1 mscarpena
of course we would rather go aquacultured rather than wild harvested.. but does anyone know where to get ACultured elegance? I think it would be a great way to decrease harvesting from the ocean, and also improve the likelyhood of survival .. for a second generation or more acquacultured coral, the ability to thrive in the home aquarium would be far stronger than a harvested specimen...
also, whats the deal with the new aussie ones that are supposed to be 'better in the home aquarium' they have them on *********** and say that they are easier? is this just a ploy to make more money? they are extremely expensive.
Jess
 

mscarpena

Member
Originally Posted by big
http:///forum/post/2450952
Well said....... I too was a bit taken back by the posting you refered too.
Thanks. I ma glad I am not crazy. I just don't understand why some one would push people to buy things that have a horrible survival rate.
 

mscarpena

Member
I don't know anything about the Aussie ones except that people are saying that they are easier. I don't know anyone that has attempted one of them. I know they are expensive and that they appear to do better while sitting in my LFS. I was thinking of trying one just to see, but I hate to try it and have it just die. I do not know where to get any of these aquacultured. New2salt1 was saying that he knows of them, but I have never even heard of them able to be fragged. It would deffinately be a nice alternative because they are one of the most beautiful corals out there.
 

sh2000

Member
Mine has a partial swelling but then in the morning its thriving again so far afew weeks no problemos.
 

sh2000

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Originally Posted by wfd1008
http:///forum/post/2441063
i had one, and it suddenly started showing signs of decline. can't remember who it was on here that told me to look for a white crab on it. to make a long story short, after it was 99% dead, i found the white crab
. looked more like a white tick, but whatever it was, it was no bueno. be on the look out.
I found the white crab in my xenia wild I have no idea how it got there but it was the size of a thubnail slightly larger and it was a white crab i tried to remove it but it got away into the rockwork I didint see any bad signs in the xenia it was living in and I got this coral 6 weeks ago what should I do i'm so worried can this white crab harm the coral and fish ?
 

wfd1008

Member
i would keep an eye out and if you see it again, i'd try to get it out. better to be safe than have dead corals i say.
 
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