Evolution vs. Intelligent Design

reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/400#post_3492320
What would that missing link look like? Not a lower primate entirely, but certainly not homo-sapien. Don't we already have a multitude of these links? I'm not sure what you would expect the missing link to be that we don't already have.
Lets assume we were talking about the evolution of a fruit. It would be like saying a cherry evolved into a tomato. OK, you aren't going to go from a cherry to a plumb to a tomato. There would be transitional species in between. I guess I am looking for the Plumbato or the Cherumb LOL!
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Originally Posted by Kiefers http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492344
Go outside. Lay down in the grass or your driveway. Stare into the night sky. I beleive this is his whole plan. Faith. Maybe not word for word of the book but it is truely amazing.
As I heard the learn'd astronomer
When the proofs, the figures were ranged in columns before me,
When I was shown the charts and the diagrams to add, divide and measure them
When I, sitting, heard the learn'd astronomer - lecturing with much applause
from the lecture room.
How soon, unaccountable, I became tired and sick
Till rising and gliding out, I wonder'd off by myself,
into the mystical moist night air, and from time to time
looked up in perfect silence at the stars.
Walt Whitman
Science can show us all the facts we want to know but sometimes you have to step back and look at the beauty, power and grace of it all and stare in awe of creation.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/400#post_3492322
2Quills... are you and Kiefer cookin em? Can I join?
Science sometimes does requires a little bit of FAITH. Those philosophers long ago - Socrates, Aristotle, Plato... they were also scientists... they attempted to explain the world through their observations using a method to determine if their observations were accurate. They also theorized about the origin of the Earth and what put us here. Philosophy and Science can almost go hand in hand - where one attempts to explain the why and one requires faith to believe it.
I don't know if you all have ever really done any reading on prison subjects in psychological experiments. Prisoners will throw feces and urinate upon their captors and convert to animalistic behaviors. How different are we than animals?
So the monsters of the human race who kill and molest children, rape and strangle women are the missing links between man and animals...so that's natural selection evolving before our eyes. Maybe that's why the evil in every generation gets worse, maybe we are evolving into apes and have had it backwards all this time.
 
beth

beth

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492342
Lets assume we were talking about the evolution of a fruit. It would be like saying a cherry evolved into a tomato. OK, you aren't going to go from a cherry to a plumb to a tomato. There would be transitional species in between. I guess I am looking for the Plumbato or the Cherumb LOL!
So, this doesn't convince you? LOL
 
geridoc

geridoc

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You want transitional, I'll give ya transitional. Look up "tiktaalik", then tell me there are no transitional fossils (although, as I have said before, every species is, by definition transitional).
 
bionicarm

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Scientist have concluded that a large asteroid did in fact wipe out the dinosaur population, as approximately 70% of any other speies that lived on this planet at the time some 65 million years ago. If that's the case, how would've it been possible for man to survive that event? Did this extinction occur before Adam and Eve?
http://www.tgdaily.com/general-sciences-features/48718-evidence-conclusive-that-asteroid-wiped-out-dinosaurs-in-days
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/04/us-dinosaurs-asteroid-idUSTRE6233YW20100304
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/space/stories/yes-an-asteroid-did-kill-off-the-dinosaurs-but-not-the-one-we-thought
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492351
So the monsters of the human race who kill and molest children, rape and strangle women are the missing links between man and animals...so that's natural selection evolving before our eyes. Maybe that's why the evil in every generation gets worse, maybe we are evolving into apes and have had it backwards all this time.
I mentioned that on one of the earlier pages - the deevolution of humans.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492351
So the monsters of the human race who kill and molest children, rape and strangle women are the missing links between man and animals...so that's natural selection evolving before our eyes. Maybe that's why the evil in every generation gets worse, maybe we are evolving into apes and have had it backwards all this time.
You completely went the wrong way with that thought.
They are not missing links. links are hundreds of thousands years old and link one species of humanoids to the next. Someone said that humans are above all other creatures and we do not show any outward signs of being animals. I was just proving the fact that we will convert back to animalistic instincts when faced with certain situations of survival or captivity.
 
beth

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492362
Scientist have concluded that a large asteroid did in fact wipe out the dinosaur population, as approximately 70% of any other speies that lived on this planet at the time some 65 million years ago. If that's the case, how would've it been possible for man to survive that event? Did this extinction occur before Adam and Eve?
The asteroid hit the ocean causing a world wide flood event, thus the many flood stories we see in ancient cultures--including Noah.

Actually, it may be conceivable that humans could survive an asteroid event as long as all life was not destroyed; however, could humans survive a global ice age? No, don't think so. Other much lesser animals may have though, and then we evolved from that.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492368
The asteroid hit the ocean causing a world wide flood event, thus the many flood stories we see in ancient cultures--including Noah.

Actually, it may be conceivable that humans could survive an asteroid event as long as all life was not destroyed; however, could humans survive a global ice age? No, don't think so. Other much lesser animals may have though, and then we evolved from that.
There has been evidence that the last ice age was only 110,000 to 10,000 years ago... Humans have been around much longer than that. The entire Earth was not covered with ice, just portions of it. Most humans have been found to live in hot and temperate climates for most of the earths history. Maybe this explains something? Maybe not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period
 
pezenfuego

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492351
So the monsters of the human race who kill and molest children, rape and strangle women are the missing links between man and animals...so that's natural selection evolving before our eyes. Maybe that's why the evil in every generation gets worse, maybe we are evolving into apes and have had it backwards all this time.
Argument from final consequences
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492369
There has been evidence that the last ice age was only 110,000 to 10,000 years ago... Humans have been around much longer than that. The entire Earth was not covered with ice, just portions of it. Most humans have been found to live in hot and temperate climates for most of the earths history. Maybe this explains something? Maybe not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period
We are all African
 
geridoc

geridoc

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492368
The asteroid hit the ocean causing a world wide flood event, thus the many flood stories we see in ancient cultures--including Noah.

Actually, it may be conceivable that humans could survive an asteroid event as long as all life was not destroyed; however, could humans survive a global ice age? No, don't think so. Other much lesser animals may have though, and then we evolved from that.
I doubt that the asteroid event was the origin of the flood stories since when the asteroid hit the only mammals on the planet were puny mouse-like creatures. They probably didn't have written, or spoken, communication up to the task of creating stories to be passed to subsequent generations.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by Beth http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492368
The asteroid hit the ocean causing a world wide flood event, thus the many flood stories we see in ancient cultures--including Noah.

Actually, it may be conceivable that humans could survive an asteroid event as long as all life was not destroyed; however, could humans survive a global ice age? No, don't think so. Other much lesser animals may have though, and then we evolved from that.
An astoriod that may have killed off the dinosaurs could not have been the flood of Noah, since man and dinos were not alive at the same time. However, the good books tells us that the Earth had no rain, a mist would rise up and water the earth...like a terrarium. The bubble burst...only God knows why, he said he caused it to happen to cleanse the earth of an abomination mixture of man and angels...Noahs generations (blood lines) were pure. The waters came down and flooded the Earth, the natural evaporation where the rain clouds carry the water, I think began at that point. If only the family of Noah escaped the flood and mankind dispersed and spread all over the world, creating new settlements of people, it makes perfect sense that all cultures would have a flood story... and because knowledge was kept in song and taught to the children, it makes sense that small changes occured with the telling.
As for the second part of your post....it wouldn't make any difference if other creatures survived and we evolved from that...according to Darwin they still evoloved from a pool of mushy goo to start with, and all living things came from that, even if some survived to repopulate, the beginning is the beginning.
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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492367
You completely went the wrong way with that thought.
They are not missing links. links are hundreds of thousands years old and link one species of humanoids to the next. Someone said that humans are above all other creatures and we do not show any outward signs of being animals. I was just proving the fact that we will convert back to animalistic instincts when faced with certain situations of survival or captivity.
Seth, I know that....it was the middle of the night and I thought I was being funny. All kidding aside, each generation does get more evil. The prisons are over crowded, even little kids are back sassing their parents, it used to be just the teens....Just like the good book proclaims. We are regressing, and the more crowded the population, the worse it gets.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by PEZenfuego http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492376
We are all African
Very good, I didn't read the article but I agree. If you look at the world...all the land masses (aside for some erosion) can fit back together like a puzzle.
Ah, but heres the kicker Pez....The Holy books tells us the land masses were once a single continent and it divided in the days of Peleg, Gen 10:25...Many generations after the flood of Noah.
 
snakeblitz33

snakeblitz33

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Very good, I didn't read the article but I agree. If you look at the world...all the land masses (aside for some erosion) can fit back together like a puzzle.
Ah, but heres the kicker Pez....The Holy books tells us the land masses were once a single continent and it divided in the days of Peleg, Gen 10:25...Many generations after the flood of Noah.
You are misinterpreting your bible. It refers to "land" and the translation of "earth" is relatively modern. They are not talking about the seperation of continents.
 
beth

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Sorry, folks, I was being a bit facetious about the asteroid-flood myths which is why I

Also, Snake, the Snowball earth hypothesis has nothing to do with the last ice age. And the theory is that it covered the earth millions of years ago. My point was that human beings would not survive that, but life of some sort actually did survive it and evolved. If you take the Bible literally, then either the evidence for the Snowball theory is wrong, or the literal understanding of ancient text is wrong.
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by SnakeBlitz33 http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492384
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492382
Very good, I didn't read the article but I agree. If you look at the world...all the land masses (aside for some erosion) can fit back together like a puzzle.
Ah, but heres the kicker Pez....The Holy books tells us the land masses were once a single continent and it divided in the days of Peleg, Gen 10:25...Many generations after the flood of Noah.
You are misinterpreting your bible. It refers to "land" and the translation of "earth" is relatively modern. They are not talking about the seperation of continents.
According to the Hebrew word Eretz...it means EARTH.
 
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dragonzim

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492381
If only the family of Noah escaped the flood and mankind dispersed and spread all over the world, creating new settlements of people, it makes perfect sense that all cultures would have a flood story... and because knowledge was kept in song and taught to the children, it makes sense that small changes occured with the telling.
Just curious here... According to the bible, all people are descended from Noah, correct? And also according to the bible people have only been on the earth for 6000 years, correct? If you assume that a generation is roughly 20 years, that gives us 300 generations since then. Is it even physically possible (I'm not a math guy) to get from a small handful of people to almost 7 billion people in that short a time frame? Also, is it possible, since we all supposedly descended from this one family, to have branched out into the various races of people we have on earth in that short a time frame?
 
flower

flower

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Originally Posted by DragonZim http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/420#post_3492394
Just curious here... According to the bible, all people are descended from Noah, correct? And also according to the bible people have only been on the earth for 6000 years, correct? If you assume that a generation is roughly 20 years, that gives us 300 generations since then. Is it even physically possible (I'm not a math guy) to get from a small handful of people to almost 7 billion people in that short a time frame? Also, is it possible, since we all supposedly descended from this one family, to have branched out into the various races of people we have on earth in that short a time frame?
To be honest...I'm no math girl either...My 3 children so far have bloomed into 12 grandchildren....without trying. In Bible days they wanted children, as many as possible, and had multiple wives.
I don't buy into the Earth is only 6000 years old, since the sun and moon were created on the 4th day, I PERSONALLY just don't think the counting is the same we use. (my personal opinion disagrees with the religious leaders) However,...I don't think it isn't that impossible. In 433 years, look at the size of the Hebrew nation that originated from 70 people, and one of them was way to old to make anymore kids...I think a generation is a single human life span, which is approximately 80 years not 20....and in the Bible they say a life span is 120 years.
 
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