bionicarm
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/680#post_3495906
The Torah has been very closely guarded over the centuries, and if a single letter in the Torah gets flaked off, then that scroll is rendered useless. It must be read and examined in it's entirety, by several Rabbis to make sure that was the only spot where a problem is found, and then repaired. The Torah scrolls are not mass produced like the Bible, it's hand rendered and copied exactly as the book before it. It is never interpreted, just meticulously copied. Before the copy is accepted, it is scrutinized by several Rabbis to be declared Kosher. If a mistake is made while writing the Torah, and that section contains the name of God, it is not repaired, but discarded and buried with dignity.
So to answer your question.....Yes I'm trusting the Torah is correct indeed. That Torah is what all the other writings use as a base to make sure theirs is correct.
Concerning the Muslims, they follow the Quran, and the Quran states that it is not a stand alone book but MUST be used with the books already written. So while the Quran is pure and written just as Mohamed quoted, the Islam religion is screwed up in how they follow it. Because the Muslims don't trust translations and don't want to study Hebrew, they don't study anything but the Quran and they trust that one because they can read it in their own language. Also if they disagree openly concerning the religion Islam, they are put to death.Their country is not like this one where freedom of religion is a right. I have talked with several Muslims and they secretly disagree with the religion Islam, but believe the Quran the way it was meant to be. Most Muslims are very sweet people who do their best to be kind and considerate.
The Christian Bible, while it has many translations is still pretty close to the Torah on scripture. That's why the "OLD testament" matches the Jewish Torah. Most Christians don't realize that the letters and the Gospels are not scripture...However those letters and eyewitness accounts have been carefully copied in their original form. Translations are taken from the reading of the original documents. Then you have folks who really didn't understand the Jewish people who wrote those accounts, and created a separate religion, that is based on the religion that Emperor Constantine had mingled with pagan customs....Which is also why Muslim and Jews don't trust anything Christian.
Therefore if you want to know what those original documents actually say, then you can study and read it yourself. The books are correct but the people who follow them are human and subject to human error. We do our best, we can't do better than that.
But here you stand. You make no effort to learn what the books even say, because you don't believe, which is fine. However then you have the audacity to criticize those who are trying to translate the books so the common people can read them and learn. Then claim that's the reason you don't believe, which isn't the truth. The truth is you don't believe and never based that belief on anything you ever read.
Maybe you were burned out by a religion...many people just can't stomach a certain religion, and actually seem to think that if that religion is off they all must be. I call that...tossing out the baby with the bath water.
For those who were burned by religion...If they ever again hunger for God....learn to eat the meat and throw away the bones.
But that's the crux of it all. It's nothing but words in a book. Whoever and however you interpret it for your own self worth and faith is fine by me. However, you have these religious fanatics who "live by the Book, and die by the Book", simply because someone told them the words that were translated were true to form, and everything written has to be believeable. Why? Because some ancient Torah scrolls says it happened? Aesop wrote many well known fables in his time. But I don't go around believing every one of those. He lived and wrote those somewhere between 620 and 560 BC. Sounds prettty old to me. So what's the difference between his writings, and these writing of the Torah?
Originally Posted by Flower http:///t/392782/evolution-vs-intelligent-design/680#post_3495906
The Torah has been very closely guarded over the centuries, and if a single letter in the Torah gets flaked off, then that scroll is rendered useless. It must be read and examined in it's entirety, by several Rabbis to make sure that was the only spot where a problem is found, and then repaired. The Torah scrolls are not mass produced like the Bible, it's hand rendered and copied exactly as the book before it. It is never interpreted, just meticulously copied. Before the copy is accepted, it is scrutinized by several Rabbis to be declared Kosher. If a mistake is made while writing the Torah, and that section contains the name of God, it is not repaired, but discarded and buried with dignity.
So to answer your question.....Yes I'm trusting the Torah is correct indeed. That Torah is what all the other writings use as a base to make sure theirs is correct.
Concerning the Muslims, they follow the Quran, and the Quran states that it is not a stand alone book but MUST be used with the books already written. So while the Quran is pure and written just as Mohamed quoted, the Islam religion is screwed up in how they follow it. Because the Muslims don't trust translations and don't want to study Hebrew, they don't study anything but the Quran and they trust that one because they can read it in their own language. Also if they disagree openly concerning the religion Islam, they are put to death.Their country is not like this one where freedom of religion is a right. I have talked with several Muslims and they secretly disagree with the religion Islam, but believe the Quran the way it was meant to be. Most Muslims are very sweet people who do their best to be kind and considerate.
The Christian Bible, while it has many translations is still pretty close to the Torah on scripture. That's why the "OLD testament" matches the Jewish Torah. Most Christians don't realize that the letters and the Gospels are not scripture...However those letters and eyewitness accounts have been carefully copied in their original form. Translations are taken from the reading of the original documents. Then you have folks who really didn't understand the Jewish people who wrote those accounts, and created a separate religion, that is based on the religion that Emperor Constantine had mingled with pagan customs....Which is also why Muslim and Jews don't trust anything Christian.
Therefore if you want to know what those original documents actually say, then you can study and read it yourself. The books are correct but the people who follow them are human and subject to human error. We do our best, we can't do better than that.
But here you stand. You make no effort to learn what the books even say, because you don't believe, which is fine. However then you have the audacity to criticize those who are trying to translate the books so the common people can read them and learn. Then claim that's the reason you don't believe, which isn't the truth. The truth is you don't believe and never based that belief on anything you ever read.
Maybe you were burned out by a religion...many people just can't stomach a certain religion, and actually seem to think that if that religion is off they all must be. I call that...tossing out the baby with the bath water.
For those who were burned by religion...If they ever again hunger for God....learn to eat the meat and throw away the bones.
But that's the crux of it all. It's nothing but words in a book. Whoever and however you interpret it for your own self worth and faith is fine by me. However, you have these religious fanatics who "live by the Book, and die by the Book", simply because someone told them the words that were translated were true to form, and everything written has to be believeable. Why? Because some ancient Torah scrolls says it happened? Aesop wrote many well known fables in his time. But I don't go around believing every one of those. He lived and wrote those somewhere between 620 and 560 BC. Sounds prettty old to me. So what's the difference between his writings, and these writing of the Torah?
