Favorite Classic Rock songs

[salty blues]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2504218
I disagree. Also consider that Iommi played with 2.5 fingers. Also consider that Black Sabbath was doing what they were doing as early as 65-66, not the late 70s 80s. ACDC is a good, hard rockin' band, but the just aren't very musical.
He actually played with all his fingers as he used plastic tips he fashioned himself for his middle and ring fingers. However, your point is well taken.

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by salty blues
http:///forum/post/2505841
He actually played with all his fingers as he used plastic tips he fashioned himself for his middle and ring fingers. However, your point is well taken.

I have seen him use both with and without.

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2505673
Black Sabbath formed in 1968. so no, you most definitely did NOT see them play in 1965. previous to 1968, they were in a band called Earth, in which they played blues and cover songs, NOT the future Sabbath songs. MAYBE you saw a band in 1965 called "Black Sabbath" (though I highly doubt it due to the satanic conotations of the term), but it was not a band consisting of Ozzy/Iommi/Ward/Butler.
Haha, glad to see you know more about my life than I do. Unfortunately, you're wrong I saw them and it was essentially Sabbath though labeled Myth or something close to that. Regardless of name the band I saw in 65 was not by any means far removed from you're calling the only Black Sabbath which included the origina lineup after Geezer was annexed followed by Ozzy. You can google all you like but I know who and what I saw (having actually been alive during the 50s and 60s, not retrospectively looking it up on the internet...

). I was in the Army at the time.
Furthermore, I stand by my point that a band that was touring England and parts of Europe (I can only assume, seing as how they were in Germany) is are different and more mature than a 10-13 year old Angus jamming wtih buddies and the like. You minimize the time differential, however considering the time period even a couple years shows large fluctuations in popular music at the time. By 1973 consider how many musical act had come out versus 1965.
Lastly, do you work for Angus, you're vehemently defending his honor

? Like it or not, there are a good number of people that simply don't think AC/DC is as great as you do, myself included. Personally, I think all rock 'n roll pales in comparison to jazz, but thats my opinion.

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2505673
"Black Sabbath" (though I highly doubt it due to the satanic conotations of the term)
Also, the 60's saw a renaissance of occult culture a la Aleister Crowley fandom. There were a number of spinoff type books, literature, music and film that came out with the small movement. Though this was not widespread or necessarily representative of Sabbath in way shape or form. Just pointing it out.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2506029
Haha, glad to see you know more about my life than I do. Unfortunately, you're wrong I saw them and it was essentially Sabbath though labeled Myth or something close to that. Regardless of name the band I saw in 65 was not by any means far removed from you're calling the only Black Sabbath which included the origina lineup after Geezer was annexed followed by Ozzy. You can google all you like but I know who and what I saw (having actually been alive during the 50s and 60s, not retrospectively looking it up on the internet...

). I was in the Army at the time.
Furthermore, I stand by my point that a band that was touring England and parts of Europe (I can only assume, seing as how they were in Germany) is are different and more mature than a 10-13 year old Angus jamming wtih buddies and the like. You minimize the time differential, however considering the time period even a couple years shows large fluctuations in popular music at the time. By 1973 consider how many musical act had come out versus 1965.
Lastly, do you work for Angus, you're vehemently defending his honor

? Like it or not, there are a good number of people that simply don't think AC/DC is as great as you do, myself included. Personally, I think all rock 'n roll pales in comparison to jazz, but thats my opinion.
you said you saw SABBATH in 1965, and you were corrected. if you want to go back and correct your earlier post, go ahead. but you DIDN'T see Black Sabbath play in 1965. just like seeing Jimmy Page playing in the Yardbirds wouldn't amount to seeing Led Zeppelin play. you saw future members of Black Sabbath playing in a band. just like future members of ACDC were also playing in a band around the same time.
but here's the point....in your original post, you made Sabbath out to be pioneers and ACDC out to be a bunch of johnny-come-latelies because of some kind of perceived large time span when the 2 bands formed. and that's the point, that there's only about a 3 year time difference. you said Sabbath started doing their thing in the mid-60s...not true. and that ACDC started doing their thing in the "late 70s/80s"...also not true. Sabbath DID come first, but only by 2-3 years.
and you're right, there are plenty of people who'd say Iommi is better than Angus. but the vast majority wouldn't, I could almost guarantee you that.
you're also correct that, musically speaking, jazz is far more advanced than rock. but I never saw a mosh pit at a jazz show, so I just don't care.

 

[alix2.0]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2506048
and you're right, there are plenty of people who'd say Iommi is better than Angus. but the vast majority wouldn't, I could almost guarantee you that.
sorry to butt in here but - doubt it.
kay thanks.
good day.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2506041
Also, the 60's saw a renaissance of occult culture a la Aleister Crowley fandom. There were a number of spinoff type books, literature, music and film that came out with the small movement. Though this was not widespread or necessarily representative of Sabbath in way shape or form. Just pointing it out.
of course. but none of those other things were played on mainstream radio, so most bands would've steered away from that. Black Sabbath was probably the first group with the balls to actually call themselves something like "Black Sabbath".
don't get me wrong here, I think Sabbath is a GREAT band, and they are all great musicians. I just don't think they come close to ACDC.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by alix2.0
http:///forum/post/2506049
sorry to butt in here but - doubt it.
kay thanks.
good day.
you can doubt all you want, but I'd still say otherwise.
point out any riff that Iommi's ever done that set a guitar on fire like Angus' parts in "Thunderstruck" or "Who Made Who". I doubt such a riff exists. Iommi's good, but most of his stuff is slow and sludgy sounding and the tone on a lot of his stuff is flat out bad. Angus always has a sharp tone that rises above the other musicians, one of the best sounds of any guitarist ever.

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2506048
you said you saw SABBATH in 1965, and you were corrected. if you want to go back and correct your earlier post, go ahead. but you DIDN'T see Black Sabbath play in 1965. just like seeing Jimmy Page playing in the Yardbirds wouldn't amount to seeing Led Zeppelin play. you saw future members of Black Sabbath playing in a band. just like future members of ACDC were also playing in a band around the same time.
but here's the point....in your original post, you made Sabbath out to be pioneers and ACDC out to be a bunch of johnny-come-latelies because of some kind of perceived large time span when the 2 bands formed. and that's the point, that there's only about a 3 year time difference. you said Sabbath started doing their thing in the mid-60s...not true. and that ACDC started doing their thing in the "late 70s/80s"...also not true. Sabbath DID come first, but only by 2-3 years.
and you're right, there are plenty of people who'd say Iommi is better than Angus. but the vast majority wouldn't, I could almost guarantee you that.
you're also correct that, musically speaking, jazz is far more advanced than rock. but I never saw a mosh pit at a jazz show, so I just don't care.
You're arguing the name, I'm arguing the music. Iommi wrote all their songs, listen to their stuff from the mid sixties and compare to the first "black sabbath" album same stuff, crappier drummer. Thus your Page allusion is not apt as he wasn't their primary song writer. Ozzy didn't really affect their sound till 69 70 (musically that is). I'll concede they changed their name, but I won't concede that they were different than Iommi/Ward's previous bands. I guess I don't view the name as defining the sound/music.
FYI, even the absolute value of 68-73 is 6 years which you reduced to three for the sake of your argument.
You're right, and I have conceded already that ACDC began in 73 not the late 70s (thought their 1st Australian LP release was in 1975, thus they did not yet have widespread recognition in the US, which would actually make the time differential closer to 7 or 8 years than the 3 you cite). However I am still right in that they were also active in the 80s. I still stand by point that during this time era when Led Zeppelin, The Who, Stones, Beatles were producing so prolifically, it really does make a 1973 entry kind of late in the game.
You're putting words in my mouth, I only said I prefer jazz not that it was more "advanced." I quite arguing with the Rock crowd about that, but hey, I will applaud you for giving jazz that.

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2506050
of course. but none of those other things were played on mainstream radio, so most bands would've steered away from that. Black Sabbath was probably the first group with the balls to actually call themselves something like "Black Sabbath".
don't get me wrong here, I think Sabbath is a GREAT band, and they are all great musicians. I just don't think they come close to ACDC.
Well it got big enough to the point of occult movies and essentially the first horror movies were being shown in local cinemas. Hell, in thinking about it I think Black Sabbath is the name of a movie... correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[mfp1016]

I was going to use Rolling Stones' "100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time" to advance my point, however once I saw The Edge at 24, and John Frusciante at 18, I realized it will help in no way. Iommi is 88, Young is 96. I'll concede that both should ranked much higher.

 

[salty blues]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2506108
I was going to use Rolling Stones' "100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time" to advance my point, however once I saw The Edge at 24, and John Frusciante at 18, I realized it will help in no way. Iommi is 88, Young is 96. I'll concede that both should ranked much higher.
It would be more aptly named "100 Most Popular Guitarists of All Time".

 

[nyyankeees]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2506041
Also, the 60's saw a renaissance of occult culture a la Aleister Crowley fandom. There were a number of spinoff type books, literature, music and film that came out with the small movement. Though this was not widespread or necessarily representative of Sabbath in way shape or form. Just pointing it out.
Didn't they somewhat make themselves a representation of him though(or at least Ozzy) by writing a song about him? "Mr. Crowley"

Oh, and just my 2 cents....I'm a huge AC/DC fan but I think Sabbath/Ozzy are better and Zakk Wylde is an amazing guitarist.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2506085
Well it got big enough to the point of occult movies and essentially the first horror movies were being shown in local cinemas. Hell, in thinking about it I think Black Sabbath is the name of a movie... correct me if I'm wrong.
"black sabbath" is a satanic ritual when satan supposedly comes to earth to have intercourse with mortal women. don't know if they got the name from that or from a movie.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
http:///forum/post/2506108
I was going to use Rolling Stones' "100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time" to advance my point, however once I saw The Edge at 24, and John Frusciante at 18, I realized it will help in no way. Iommi is 88, Young is 96. I'll concede that both should ranked much higher.
any list is subjective, just like this whole thread. I would definitely put Angus Young and Tony Iommi among the alltime greats. I just think from a technical standpoint (and less importantly, from an entertaining standpoint), Angus is better. as a guitarist, I find ACDC songs are fun to play. I find most Sabbath songs kind of slow and sludgy, from a playing standpoint.
compared to the Who and Zep and some of the others, ACDC definitely came late in the game. but I think they were more around the same time period as Sabbath.
as for jazz, again, as a guitarist, I readily admit it takes a LOT more skill for jazz than probably any other genre. I just don't personally care for jazz that much. I like rock and blues.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by NYyankeees
http:///forum/post/2506218
Didn't they somewhat make themselves a representation of him though(or at least Ozzy) by writing a song about him? "Mr. Crowley"

Oh, and just my 2 cents....I'm a huge AC/DC fan but I think Sabbath/Ozzy are better and Zakk Wylde is an amazing guitarist.
I don't think Ozzy wrote most of Sabbath's songs.

 

[nyyankeees]

Originally Posted by Pontius
http:///forum/post/2506239
I don't think Ozzy wrote most of Sabbath's songs.
Oh I jus put that cuz i couldn't recall at the moment if that was a Sabbath song or just Ozzy's.

 

[pontius]

Originally Posted by NYyankeees
http:///forum/post/2506260
Oh I jus put that cuz i couldn't recall at the moment if that was a Sabbath song or just Ozzy's.

I'm pretty sure Mr Crowley was an Ozzy solo song. but most of the satanic stuff, at least in the beginning, came from the other members of Black Sabbath. Ozzy kind of continued it on with his solo career, but most of that stuff (like the bat biting, etc) was influenced by drugs and alcohol more than anything else.

 

[mfp1016]

Yeah Mr. Crowley is Ozzy solo.
I'm pretty sure about the movie and them using the name from the movie.