Flower's Sump/Fuge Build

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jstdv8

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LOL that made me laugh outloud, everything but the bleeding part, not funny.
I could totally see me doing that. Water would be all over the power strips, losing power for while whilst I dry those things out along with my clothes and hair.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340043
LOL that made me laugh outloud, everything but the bleeding part, not funny.
I could totally see me doing that. Water would be all over the power strips, losing power for while whilst I dry those things out along with my clothes and hair.

Oh yes I forgot the losing power part...it trpped every GFCI circuit near the fish tank, so I had to dry everything up and had no power heads, no lights and no filtration for the better part of the day. I had only cut my hand a little, it was just a little couple of cuts..LOL..I added it for drama on how disgusted I was at the whole mess.
 

2quills

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Originally Posted by Monsinour http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339922
the little floaty bits are fine and normal when you run a sump without a filter sock. I had a sock on my setup for a while and had the clear water. I liked it lots. Then 2Q advised me that I was "starving" portions of the tank and sump as those little floaty bits is what they feed on. I took the filter sock off and I now have little floaty bits in the tank. I don't mind knowing that I have something eating those floaty bits.
The smell is normal and the foam as suggested would work to reduce the smell. About the only other thing I can think of is adding carbon in a high flow area in the sump to help reduce the smell. I only smell my tank when I open the door to the sump and that is only when I do tests, or feed the flakes.
lol I don't think I said you were necessarily starving your tank. I will admit to possibly making it sound that way though.
If you liked having your filter socks on there then toss em back on. I was just pointing out earlier on in the thread that they weren't as necessary of a thing to have as a lot of people seemed to be making them out to be. Kind of as though it were an unfathomable thing to not have some type of mechanical filtration in their system. If you're a person who is going to clean them regularly, like maybe a few times a week, then they're not a big problem or anything to be too terribly concerned about. But yes I still say that not having them on there is beneficial since most of the critter that live in our sand-beds and rock or what have you will pick the bulk of it up. But the super fine particles, yes you will see those for a while in alot of cases. How much and for how long you see it all depends a lot on how much one is feeding their tank, what type of food they are feeding and how efficient is the flow and filtration of the system is as a whole.
If it's an issue that no one wants to see in there tank then there are always steps you can take to remove it. You could throw filter socks on after feedings for a little while until the tank clears up and remove them. You could stick a water polishing pad in your sump. You can hook up a handy dandy spare canister filter, maybe on the sump or the tank and run it with just mechanical filtration and or even throw some carbon in there. Perhaps run it part time or maybe even all the time. Just gotta get a little creative, figure out what works best for you with what you've got to work with.
 
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jstdv8

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I don't understand the purpose of filter socks except if you don't clean them they hold nitrates.
Sounds an aweful lot like a canister filter...
I don't sock my stuff and the majority of the stuff it would trap seems to build up right near the partition between my refugium and my return pump area. So its really easy to vacume out when i do a water change.
besides, those socks would also catch all the leftover food that the corals could be eating once it breaks down smaller.
 

2quills

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340047

Oh yes I forgot the losing power part...it trpped every GFCI circuit near the fish tank, so I had to dry everything up and had no power heads, no lights and no filtration for the better part of the day. I had only cut my hand a little, it was just a little couple of cuts..LOL..I added it for drama on how disgusted I was at the whole mess.
HeHe...you didn't think entry into the Sump/Fuge World was going to be that easy did ya? There is almost ALWAYS the babtism (for lack of a better Jewish term).
 
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jstdv8

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when i first setup my sump/fuge I had all the PVC jsut slid together, no glue (alot of it is still this way. Turned it on adn adjusted it how i wanted and used it like that. One day I'm in there checking on my fish in QT and I bumped the return line, one of the fitting blew apart and water was blowing stright up towards the cieling and down all over everything like a sprinkler, it was crazy, my fish room is 6x8 and everything in there was soaked. Luckily I have a row of plug ins with switches attached, so a very quick flip of 4 switches shuts everything down.
But not before i got really wet.
 

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jstdv8 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340086
when i first setup my sump/fuge I had all the PVC jsut slid together, no glue (alot of it is still this way. Turned it on adn adjusted it how i wanted and used it like that. One day I'm in there checking on my fish in QT and I bumped the return line, one of the fitting blew apart and water was blowing stright up towards the cieling and down all over everything like a sprinkler, it was crazy, my fish room is 6x8 and everything in there was soaked. Luckily I have a row of plug ins with switches attached, so a very quick flip of 4 switches shuts everything down.
But not before i got really wet.

That had to be a scary moment. Those little hoses on the canister can drain a tank in minutes, the big PVC pipes even faster. I also set all my pumps on a single power line with a kill switch.
I have to really thank 2Quills, he did an awesome job on my plumbing and made sure everything was good and tight and easy for me to set up. If I had to do it myself, I would be lost. Now that I see how things are done I can copy the design (I hope) I want to add a sump/fuge on my 30g. future seahorse tank.
 

al&burke

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You should drill your 30 gallon, Flower if your boss made those holes bigger on the fuge I bet he could drill out your tank. Just a thought then it is fool proof and you won't have to worry about your tank in your room when you are not there.
 

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340070
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340047

Oh yes I forgot the losing power part...it trpped every GFCI circuit near the fish tank, so I had to dry everything up and had no power heads, no lights and no filtration for the better part of the day. I had only cut my hand a little, it was just a little couple of cuts..LOL..I added it for drama on how disgusted I was at the whole mess.
HeHe...you didn't think entry into the Sump/Fuge World was going to be that easy did ya? There is almost ALWAYS the babtism (for lack of a better Jewish term).

Oh you know me and religion, so I must comment...baptism is actually a very Jewish thing, we call it a Mikvah.
What I experienced however was more like a wet T shirt party without any beer to make it fun. Now keep in mind I'm a big woman and the days of looking good in a wet T shirt are long gone..it was not a pretty sight. Worthy of a good belly laugh though.
 

2quills

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340105
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340070
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340047

Oh yes I forgot the losing power part...it trpped every GFCI circuit near the fish tank, so I had to dry everything up and had no power heads, no lights and no filtration for the better part of the day. I had only cut my hand a little, it was just a little couple of cuts..LOL..I added it for drama on how disgusted I was at the whole mess.
HeHe...you didn't think entry into the Sump/Fuge World was going to be that easy did ya? There is almost ALWAYS the babtism (for lack of a better Jewish term).

Oh you know me and religion, so I must comment...baptism is actually a very Jewish thing, we call it a Mikvah.
What I experienced however was more like a wet T shirt party without any beer to make it fun. Now keep in mind I'm a big woman and the days of looking good in a wet T shirt are long gone..it was not a pretty sight. Worthy of a good belly laugh though.
lol...too funny. Well either way you look at it your system has now been blessed!
Couldn't have asked for a nicer way to end the year.
 

flower

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340108
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340105
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills
http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340070
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340047

Oh yes I forgot the losing power part...it trpped every GFCI circuit near the fish tank, so I had to dry everything up and had no power heads, no lights and no filtration for the better part of the day. I had only cut my hand a little, it was just a little couple of cuts..LOL..I added it for drama on how disgusted I was at the whole mess.
HeHe...you didn't think entry into the Sump/Fuge World was going to be that easy did ya? There is almost ALWAYS the babtism (for lack of a better Jewish term).

Oh you know me and religion, so I must comment...baptism is actually a very Jewish thing, we call it a Mikvah.
What I experienced however was more like a wet T shirt party without any beer to make it fun. Now keep in mind I'm a big woman and the days of looking good in a wet T shirt are long gone..it was not a pretty sight. Worthy of a good belly laugh though.
lol...too funny. Well either way you look at it your system has now been blessed!
Couldn't have asked for a nicer way to end the year.

May next year be better..hard to believe this year is nearly over already.
Hey, what happened to the get together plans?..I haven't seen aything on it for a few days now. did we at least choose a place?
 

2quills

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340117

May next year be better..hard to believe this year is nearly over already.
Hey, what happened to the get together plans?..I haven't seen aything on it for a few days now. did we at least choose a place?

Not sure what happened to em. Whether or not the Wife and I will be able to get away to go anywhere probably depends alot on when and where it is. Getting away from work for too long is pretty tough sometimes, especially for her. We haven't been on a real vacation in like 4 years. I know she has her heart set on hopefully/possibly going to vegas this spring, and meet up with my parents out there and possibly another couple that are friends of ours. So if we do get to go anywhere then I know It will definately be there for sure. Anywhere else though it just really all depends. We live pretty far from everything so traveling consists of time and money which both play a pivitol roll. I would really love to meet everybody though. That would be cool. I hope to do the best I can to try and make it if it's reasonably close to this side of the of the country.
 

gemmy

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340122
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340117

May next year be better..hard to believe this year is nearly over already.
Hey, what happened to the get together plans?..I haven't seen aything on it for a few days now. did we at least choose a place?

Not sure what happened to em. Whether or not the Wife and I will be able to get away to go anywhere probably depends alot on when and where it is. Getting away from work for too long is pretty tough sometimes, especially for her. We haven't been on a real vacation in like 4 years. I know she has her heart set on hopefully/possibly going to vegas this spring, and meet up with my parents out there and possibly another couple that are friends of ours. So if we do get to go anywhere then I know It will definately be there for sure. Anywhere else though it just really all depends. We live pretty far from everything so traveling consists of time and money which both play a pivitol roll. I would really love to meet everybody though. That would be cool. I hope to do the best I can to try and make it if it's reasonably close to this side of the of the country.
Well, put your input in on the Member meet up thread in the aquarium.
The place is still being figured out. I want to try and choose somewhere that will attempt to make everyone happy, but that is a difficult task to accomplish.
 

flower

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I have problems ....HELP
When I got in today my sump was louder than usual so I opened the stand doors to check and to my horror the sump was nearly overflowed. For some reason the ATO did not shut off. The skimmer was over skimming dripping back into the sump.
I dare not turn off the pumps because it would really flood. So I turned off the ATO, and scooped water from the sump down to my water line. A few minutes later it was an inch over the line again…so I scooped more water out down to the line. I cleaned the skimmer cup and replaced it.
A few minutes later and its back over the line again…What is happening? The overflow and return pumps are working just fine. Where is the water coming from? The ATO and pump are off completely.
 

sparty059

Active Member
Not sure if this is the problem, but if you adjusted the water intake on your skimmer to take in less, then you're probably getting more water in your tank. Also, if your return pump isn't pumping water into your DT fast enough then you're going to have that overflow in your sump. It should almost be an 1:1 ratio of water going in your sump as is going out. If your return isn't pushing enough water out of your sump quick enough then you're going to have to look at getting a stronger pump. If it continues to rise then take a look at your DT and take note where the water is sitting... when you empty out the water from your sump you're going to see a drop of water level in your DT until it doesn't even reach the overflow anymore which means it won't have anymore water to push into the sump, which means eventually your sump will push all of its water out, thus resulting in your return pump catching air and blowing air into your DT and burning your return pump out.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by Sparty059 http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1680#post_3340213
Not sure if this is the problem, but if you adjusted the water intake on your skimmer to take in less, then you're probably getting more water in your tank. Also, if your return pump isn't pumping water into your DT fast enough then you're going to have that overflow in your sump. It should almost be an 1:1 ratio of water going in your sump as is going out. If your return isn't pushing enough water out of your sump quick enough then you're going to have to look at getting a stronger pump.

Thank you, I had turned down the skimmer to get the cup off to clean. I turned it back up where I see foam in the neck and the water level looks stable. I will keep an eye on things. Whew..good thing I cought it in time before it emptied out the ATO holding tank and cause a serious drop in SG and overflow, It's reading 1.023 so it only dropped a point.
I don't know what happened. The ATO sensor is in the correct place... it moves so it isn't frozen in place..for some reason it just decided not to shut off the pump.
So now I have to Top manually until I have time to place the sensors in buckets and test the system to see if it's the sensors or the ATO unit that's malfunctioning.
 

flower

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I contacted SWF to try and get my money back. First they won’t let me use my $40.00 credit on sand, only live animals..then they take out the money before the item was shipped which they have never done before, making me think it’s on its way.
Then instead of letting me know what’s going on…after I had to contact them to find out what’s up they e-mail me and say it will be in Tuesday…Well they took the money on the 17[sup]th and now it’s the 22nd[/sup]..then the Holiday will be here and nobody works then..
How hard is it to add an out of stock at the moment on an item not available, and what’s wrong with a quick note or something to let somebody know there is a delay for whatever reason, like the weather?
They just left me hanging...it's been a tough day.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Flower do you have access to the skimmer pump plug? I highly recommend for the time being to turn the skimmer off when you clean it. It is super easy to " adjust" it to where we think it should be only to find out later we over adjusted. Your skimmer was probably taking on more water making the ATO believe it was low.
I would opt to shut the ATO down briefly and try shutting skimmer off for cleaning rather than dial up and down till you have a true sense how it will react. Never ever adjust a skimmer and walk away. That is another reason I suggested not using the drain jug without a automatic shut off. The skimmer would pump it dry and all over the floor.
 

acrylic51

Active Member
Flower you don't have a local source for sand? I feel your pain on shipping, and I don't even want to hear BS excuses, weather and such. You place an order your expecting an if there is a problem advise.... Customer service is key. I ran into the same problem. Last Monday I ordered the background and they charged my credit card right away, but never informed out of stock. A week later 3 phone calls and 2 nasty emails I find out it just shipped this past Tuesday. A waste of over a week!!!!:flame: inexcusable IMHO!!
 
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