Flower's Sump/Fuge Build

sparty059

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1620#post_3339680
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1620#post_3339630
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Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1620#post_3339577

I don't mind finding a new way...just need to know how. The dipping water out from the 90g gets a little old..which is what I did before I used the skimmer. What are other peoples methods. I have never had a sump before.
Well on my 50gal. I just do 2.5 gallons once a week on Sundays. It's just half of a 5gal. bucket so I don't mind scooping it out since it doesn't take me long. I fill 2.5 gallons in my mixing bucket and mix it up saturday evening usually so it's ready to go on sundays. Then I just pour it in slowly. It's only 5 percent which is usually room temperature in the mid 70's so I don't even heat it up. Comes out to 20% a month.
For the 120gal. I have a syphon hose that hooks up to the kitchen faucet that I use to pull water out of the tank (real easy). And then same thing...I have a 32gal. Brute can for mixing that I set up right next to the tank the night before a water change. Fill it up then mix. Pump it into the tank with a cheap $15-$20 powerhead from ***** that has a hose hooked upto it with a DIY pvc U-tube that hangs over and into the tank. I was doing bi-weekly water changes at 10% that way. I don't like waiting a whole month.

Well I don’t have a laundry drain like meowzer nor a sink handy..My tank is in the living room not close to anything I can drain into. So old water must go in buckets.
What is throwing me for a loop is the fact that the DT is always full, the sump drops the water level. Do you guys just turn off the whole system while you putz with the DT and just change the water from that point? Then turn the sump system back on when you are done?

Exactly! How I do it is I will shut everything down except for my lights and powerheads. The DT will have the level drop SLIGHTLY when you turn everything off and that will be due to all the water above the syphon break will drain into your sump. Which is why it's so important that in a situation of a power failure, you leave just enough room in your sump to be able to handle all that excess water without over flowing. Once all the water drains into your sump from your DT (above the syphon break) you can do either of the following:
#1. You can place a tube in the sump and another tube in a very hardy bucket that holds 10+ gallons (place it on wheels of some sort) and start the syphon off manually by sucking the water through the tube to start it out.
Most wouldn't prefer the first method :), however, that's how I do it because it's the least expensive way...
#2. You can do as Corey mentioned and get a $15 cheapo pump and place it in your sump run a hose from the output of the pump into your bucket and drain it that way.
Once you have it empty (or at least as empty as you can get it without allowing your pump to suck in air) you bring your mixed water over place the pump in it (or do the first method) and start the syphon in reverse order bringing the water from the new mixed salt water over to your sump. Once it's back to the point where you turned it off you can go ahead and turn your main pump, heater, whatever else back on and call it a day!
I have the same situation as you, my tank is about 40 feet away from the closest sink so I don't have the luxury like some of these other pros!
 

2quills

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Yep, lots of ways to do it. Actually, how far away is your kitchen sink from your tank, Flower? The syphon hose that I use is 25ft but they do make extensions for them and they do sell them in 50ft lengths I believe. It's pretty easy...you just hook the adapter up to your faucet (it screws on) and then put the other end of the hose in the tank. Then you turn on the faucet for a couple of seconds and that creates a syphon in the hose which starts pulling water out of your tank. Then as long as your sink is lower than your tank then water will continue to drain without having to leave the faucet running. The hose has little valves on it to stop the water from draining once you reach the stoping point. For me it's been the easiest way that I've found so far for doing anything above a 5g water change.
The water level in your tank never drops because it has a constant supply of water being pumped into it from the return. Therefore the area that you see the water level drop is in the return section.
This is the Aqueon water changer that I use...There is another brand also called Python (I think).
 

flower

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Well the kitchen sink is close enough for that gadget; I had one for my FW tank. LOL my house is small enough for that to almost wrap around it.
I don’t want to use such a thing. I only have so much saltwater mixed and if I drain out too much (which I have done) I can’t return it to the tank. I usually save the last bucket I remove to be sure I don’t need it.
I know over time I can eyeball it pretty close, but better safe than sorry.
 

meowzer

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339713

Well the kitchen sink is close enough for that gadget; I had one for my FW tank. LOL my house is small enough for that to almost wrap around it.
I don’t want to use such a thing. I only have so much saltwater mixed and if I drain out too much (which I have done) I can’t return it to the tank. I usually save the last bucket I remove to be sure I don’t need it.
I know over time I can eyeball it pretty close, but better safe than sorry.
LOL....Flower, on the back edge of my tank, I have a small black line that I marked with a sharpie......No one knows it is there but me.
Just measure your w/c ONCE.....mark the spot, and you should be good to go
 
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jstdv8

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I shut my system down, do my water change with just a 3/4" vinyl tube.
The fuge area always has the most buildup so thats wehre i usually pull my water from so I can vacume up the detrius. add new water to the skimmer chamber (so it mixes well with the existing water before being added to the dt.
power on, good to go.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339715
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Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339713

Well the kitchen sink is close enough for that gadget; I had one for my FW tank. LOL my house is small enough for that to almost wrap around it.
I don’t want to use such a thing. I only have so much saltwater mixed and if I drain out too much (which I have done) I can’t return it to the tank. I usually save the last bucket I remove to be sure I don’t need it.
I know over time I can eyeball it pretty close, but better safe than sorry.
LOL....Flower, on the back edge of my tank, I have a small black line that I marked with a sharpie......No one knows it is there but me.
Just measure your w/c ONCE.....mark the spot, and you should be good to go
30+ years and I never thought of that.
 

monsinour

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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339841
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Originally Posted by Al&Burke
http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339805
Hi Flower did you get your sand yet?
No, I contacted SWF and they said maybe they will have sand tomorrow to be able to ship it out. You would think they would give me a heads up, but they waited for me to contact them.
you would also think that based in florida, they wouldnt have to wait on getting sand.
 

flower

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Well it's Tuesday...and I just checked still nothing. My order still says NEW, which means they have not shipped it out yet.
Under my stand smells like fish, not rotten, just fishy, the way my canister smelled when I would clean it out....is that normal with a sump? The skimmer made a little bit of skim about 1 inch in the cup, I do see a little foam...should I adjust it or leave it alone? Should I clean the cup, is that what smells?
 

slice

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I am always amazed at the gunk my skimmer removed from the tank.
I've been wondering how much room you have under there to remove the cup for cleaning, still can't tell from the pics.
Is that a drain plug on the bottom of the cup? I need to modify my skimmer cup with some sort of drain for when we go on vacation.
My refugium smells like a seafood store, the skimmer cup definitely smells, and being somewhat enclosed, yeah....
 

flower

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Originally Posted by Slice http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339900
I am always amazed at the gunk my skimmer removed from the tank.
I've been wondering how much room you have under there to remove the cup for cleaning, still can't tell from the pics.
Is that a drain plug on the bottom of the cup? I need to modify my skimmer cup with some sort of drain for when we go on vacation.
My refugium smells like a seafood store, the skimmer cup definitely smells, and being somewhat enclosed, yeah....

I have plenty of room, I have removed the cup a few times just messng around down there. It was in the way when I was messing with the hose to get it into the bubble trap so I took off the top to reach the hose (skimmer wasn't in use yet). I also over skimmed once and it was full of just light green water..so I dumped it and set it back in.
I know skimmer cups stink like rot. This is a fishy smell that I sense when I open the doors only, it doesn't go beyond the stand under there that I have noticed. I also noticed some small stuff floating in the DT. Not real bad, but stuff my canister would have removed..it isn't much but I see it. I'm used to my water being so clear it looks like there is no water in the tank. Is a sump really that different or is it just very new?
 

slice

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All my mess is HOB, but my next tank will definitely have a sump. I need to post pictures of my setup.
I have a noise issue with my stuff, that alone could justify going sump.
Speaking of noise, does anyone use accoustic foam to line their stand to eliminate noise?
It would be a very simple installation; removable for drying in the event of a spill.
 

flower

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Originally Posted by Slice http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339907
All my mess is HOB, but my next tank will definitely have a sump. I need to post pictures of my setup.
I have a noise issue with my stuff, that alone could justify going sump.
Speaking of noise, does anyone use accoustic foam to line their stand to eliminate noise?
It would be a very simple installation; removable for drying in the event of a spill.

I used a rubber matt mostly to make sure the sump was sitting on something, because Melsreef said to do so because of pressure on the acrylic.

I used canisters filters for years...they run silent. Only the HOB skimmer made any noise. My sump makes a flowing brook kind of noise, like you would hear near a creek. I like it. I have seen allot of people complaining about sump noise on the site.
LOL...you should see the stuff I had hanging on my tank..even an intank refugium hung back there.
 

acrylic51

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Looking good Flower!!!! The fitting on the bottom of the cup doe appear to be a drain you can hook a line to; to drain the cup. Honestly I would not put a hose and run to a container and open the valve and keep it open. I would just use it to drain the cup, unless you use a special drain container, that if the drain container became full would shut the skimmer down to the point it would skim, but pump would run. Those cups get pricey if your game????
As far as the smell!!! Yeah you will detect a bit of fish smell. Open water source more so than the DT. You could cover the top o the Fuge with foam with no ill affects. The skimmer is where your going to get some stink, when you open the lid.
Make sure you keep the neck o the skimmer clean. A dirty neck will cut down the skimmers efficiency. I would tweak the skimmer a bit to raise the water level in the skimmer body, and we'll start adjusting the skimmer to manufacturer recommendations at this point. Have you done any water tests?
 

meowzer

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Flower...change the cup as often as you want....
I cleaned my skimmer cup the other day......longest I ever went....OMG IT WAS DISGUSTING......In the inner cup and ring it was THICK.....and the liquid looked like tar...AND THE SMELL....PEEEEEYEWWWWWW
I really think that those who do not run a skimmer, would reconsider if they saw and smelled this crappolla.....
Next time I wil ltry to get some pictures, BUT once I had my hands in it...no way was I stopping to grab the camera LOL
p.s. I don;t use the drain plug
 

flower

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Originally Posted by meowzer http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339916
Flower...change the cup as often as you want....
I cleaned my skimmer cup the other day......longest I ever went....OMG IT WAS DISGUSTING......In the inner cup and ring it was THICK.....and the liquid looked like tar...AND THE SMELL....PEEEEEYEWWWWWW
I really think that those who do not run a skimmer, would reconsider if they saw and smelled this crappolla.....
Next time I wil ltry to get some pictures, BUT once I had my hands in it...no way was I stopping to grab the camera LOL
p.s. I don;t use the drain plug

The drain plug is a great way to dump the yuck. a tube to a jug and just dump it out and reinsert the tube. Then you only mess with the cup to clean it when it gets thick. I just don't know if that method will work with the skimmer so low already, the jug would be at the same height.
 

acrylic51

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Quote:Originally Posted by Slice http:///forum/thread/380517/flower-s-sump-fuge-build/1640#post_3339907
All my mess is HOB, but my next tank will definitely have a sump. I need to post pictures of my setup.
I have a noise issue with my stuff, that alone could justify going sump.
 
Speaking of noise, does anyone use accoustic foam to line their stand to eliminate noise?
It would be a very simple installation; removable for drying in the event of a spill.
 
Slice it's not uncommon for people to line their stand with sound deadening material. I've seen where people have used sound mat for stereo installation or others have used just regular foam.
 

monsinour

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the little floaty bits are fine and normal when you run a sump without a filter sock. I had a sock on my setup for a while and had the clear water. I liked it lots. Then 2Q advised me that I was "starving" portions of the tank and sump as those little floaty bits is what they feed on. I took the filter sock off and I now have little floaty bits in the tank. I dont mind knowing that I have something eating those floaty bits.
The smell is normal and the foam as suggested would work to reduce the smell. About the only other thing I can think of is adding carbon in a high flow area in the sump to help reduce the smell. I only smell my tank when I open the door to the sump and that is only when I do tests, or feed the flakes.
 
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