Gay Marriage, Abortion and other moral issue?

[jovial]

Thats my point tobin, once we legalize one it opens the gates for everything. No matter what the reason. To say yes to one and not the other would be hypocritical which is why the law should be based on what the majority of people define as marriage. People in the same bloodline can consent, people who marry multiple spouses can also consent. This means that marriage could mean anything to anyone. I think the law should remain as the union of a man and a woman.

 

[aztec reef]

why get offended? i'm just trying to prove a point, just like the ones that supported homosexuality did...How come everybody turns their head on this question, it's just like the Fact that you can't give me a straight answer why i Can't marry anyone or anything??

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
why get offended? i'm just trying to prove a point, just like the ones that supported did...How come everybody turns their head on this question, it's just like the Fact that you can't give me a straight answer why i Can't marry anyone or anything??
well you go marry your favorite frog or whatever happy honeymoon...tobin

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by seasalt101
well you go marry your favorite frog or whatever happy honeymoon...tobin
That's cool, too bad i'm NOT into frogs..

 

[seasalt101]

just because you do not acknowledge the answers you DO receive does not mean you are not getting answers you are arguing like a 6 year old...tobin

 

[aztec reef]

the ONE arguing is you my friend!! if you think i'm playing yor childish games you better think twice. Now if you don't like my point of views and real comments then that's a different story.. the truth hurts, but not as much as a Lie..

 

[seasalt101]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
the ONE arguing is you my friend!! if you think i'm playing yor childish games you better think twice. Now if you don't like my point of views and real comments then that's a different story.. the truth hurts, but not as much as a Lie..
you are talking about marrying things THINGS how mature is that...tobin

 

[aztec reef]

how about my sister can i merry her?? LOOK who's being mature and i'm almost half your age..

 

[jennythebugg]

why would you want to marry your sister?

 

[jennythebugg]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
why get offended? i'm just trying to prove a point, just like the ones that supported homosexuality did...How come everybody turns their head on this question, it's just like the Fact that you can't give me a straight answer why i Can't marry anyone or anything??
i beleive that he was giving you the answer to this question and you just arent getting it-you cant marry ANYTHING cause THINGS cant consent to marriage only people can

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
why would you want to marry your sister?
how about the plain reason that If i had a thing for her why not? i'm a man and she's a woman what's wrong with that? we're also people btw! plus NO-ONE knows that we're same bloodline only us and our immidiate family right?

 

[aztec reef]

"when I first met steve and John I had no idea about them. after I got to know them the told me. I was courious so I asked a lot of questions of them on eof them was why did you CHOOSE to be gay? the answer floored me" mike's quote^^^^^^^
Originally Posted by steve
Why do you chose to be straight? and why would you chose to lead a life style that at every turn you have to worry about someone beating you for being guy or walking down the road and someone yelling and screaming things at you. why would you chose to live a lifestyle that your family could turn their back on you and disown you from their lives and have nothing to do with you. Why would you choose to lead a life where The church leaders are always telling you your going to hell and that your life is full of sin? We didnt chose the life that is who we are and always will be.
Mike,
Here's what i answer to that..1. he's right, i didn't choose to be straight either. i was raised as a man or maybe i wasn't influenced by homosexuals or maybe God didn't make me Gay.. pick a reason..who knows what happend..
2.try being a minority, or a thug if you wanna get disown and see how that is the SAME thing.. have you heard of Nazis?
3.what do you want the church leaders to tell the sinners? that they're going to HEAVEN?
should we tell the criminals that they are going to Jail or to a picnic if they commit a crime???..

 

[jennythebugg]

Originally Posted by Aztec Reef
"when I first met steve and John I had no idea about them. after I got to know them the told me. I was courious so I asked a lot of questions of them on eof them was why did you CHOOSE to be gay? the answer floored me" mike's quote^^^^^^^
Originally Posted by steve
Why do you chose to be straight? and why would you chose to lead a life style that at every turn you have to worry about someone beating you for being guy or walking down the road and someone yelling and screaming things at you. why would you chose to live a lifestyle that your family could turn their back on you and disown you from their lives and have nothing to do with you. Why would you choose to lead a life where The church leaders are always telling you your going to hell and that your life is full of sin? We didnt chose the life that is who we are and always will be.
Mike,
Here's what i answer to that..1. he's right, i didn't choose to be straight either. i was raised as a man or maybe i wasn't influenced by homosexuals or maybe God didn't make me Gay.. pick a reason..who knows what happend..
2.try being a minority, or a thug if you wanna get disown and see how that is the SAME thing.. have you heard of Nazis?
3.what do you want the church leaders to tell the sinners? that they're going to HEAVEN?
should we tell the criminals that they are going to Jail or to a picnic if they commit a crime???..
what on earth sense does that make?
#2 makes no sense... THUGS? it is their coice i grew up and still live in the barrio and i did not make the CHOICE to be a thug like many of the neighborhood kids i grew up with.
have you heard of nazis???...um yeah we all have what does that have to do with anything he or you said in that post? it seems like you don't even understand what people are saying half the time. because you throw all these things out that have nothing at all to do with what you are quoting from other people and you argue and argue and argue and then sit back and smile like you won the debate even though you haven't proven anything you have just stated YOUR opinion

 

[reefforbrains]

We are now bridging on the spirit of arguing over what defines marrage.
No not a man and wife, but our own personal spins.
Personally I almost did not marry my wife because she didnt belive in God. Those that know my history and know me can vouch I am no Angel, but it just didnt seem right to do something "before God" when the participants do not even believe in God. I had to take a step back then and look at marrage and what it meant to ME, screw the church or otherwise. Its MY vow I gave to someone for the rest of my life.
Church, State, my neighbor,....or even possibly Jealous Sister has no grounds to say if the vows between us are right or wrong.
"Sactity" of marrage is still there weather its man and woman, OR man and man.
One man being able to legally marry another man does NOT take away from the vows I took to my wife, nor does it take away from the signifigance. Legally it does not in any way affect my marrage, or its validity.
It is often stated that same --- marrages are wrong and would dillute traditional marrages,...how in the world would they do that???
It is said that it teaches and re-enforces diviant behavior in children.....that has been PROVEN not to be the case.
Quoteing biblical law is downright silly.
I am not homophobic in the least. I am not Gay, Bi, Curious, ect ect ect
I DO personally think its wrong.........I also happen to think making Mild Salsa is wrong. THEREFORE I dont eat it.. to each thier own. If it sounds like I am trivializing by useing Mild Salsa as an example.....then explain how?
To not support an adverse opinion just because it is different than your own is selfish. To do everything in my power to prevent others from enjoying Mild Salsa is forcing MY WILL upon others directly or indirectly..Also wrong on a very deep level just as a person that is sharing this planet, nothing to with rights, religion or laws. Just common decency.
To pursue the removal of said environment for a totally separate individual to make choices that have nothing to do with yourself is unpatriotic, ignorant, and spiteful.
Not trying to grandstand about it. There really is not argument for ANY anti-Gay protesting or discrimination that makes sense beyond disliking them based on thier fondness for Mild Salsa......
-RFB

 

[jennythebugg]

aztec...sorry got a little heated last night this is an issue that is close to my heart and i get a little wound up, on another note....
i like mild salsa....i agree with that rfb, no big suprise there though

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by ReefForBrains
We are now bridging on the spirit of arguing over what defines marrage.
No not a man and wife, but our own personal spins.
Personally I almost did not marry my wife because she didnt belive in God. Those that know my history and know me can vouch I am no Angel, but it just didnt seem right to do something "before God" when the participants do not even believe in God. I had to take a step back then and look at marrage and what it meant to ME, screw the church or otherwise. Its MY vow I gave to someone for the rest of my life.
Church, State, my neighbor,....or even possibly Jealous Sister has no grounds to say if the vows between us are right or wrong.
"Sactity" of marrage is still there weather its man and woman, OR man and man.
One man being able to legally marry another man does NOT take away from the vows I took to my wife, nor does it take away from the signifigance. Legally it does not in any way affect my marrage, or its validity.
It is often stated that same --- marrages are wrong and would dillute traditional marrages,...how in the world would they do that???
It is said that it teaches and re-enforces diviant behavior in children.....that has been PROVEN not to be the case.
Quoteing biblical law is downright silly.
I am not homophobic in the least. I am not Gay, Bi, Curious, ect ect ect
I DO personally think its wrong.........I also happen to think making Mild Salsa is wrong. THEREFORE I dont eat it.. to each thier own. If it sounds like I am trivializing by useing Mild Salsa as an example.....then explain how?
To not support an adverse opinion just because it is different than your own is selfish. To do everything in my power to prevent others from enjoying Mild Salsa is forcing MY WILL upon others directly or indirectly..Also wrong on a very deep level just as a person that is sharing this planet, nothing to with rights, religion or laws. Just common decency.
To pursue the removal of said environment for a totally separate individual to make choices that have nothing to do with yourself is unpatriotic, ignorant, and spiteful.
Not trying to grandstand about it. There really is not argument for ANY anti-Gay protesting or discrimination that makes sense beyond disliking them based on thier fondness for Mild Salsa......
-RFB
This is why tolerance is important, acceptance is another issue.

 

[jovial]

Originally Posted by ReefForBrains
We are now bridging on the spirit of arguing over what defines marrage.
No not a man and wife, but our own personal spins.
Personally I almost did not marry my wife because she didnt belive in God. Those that know my history and know me can vouch I am no Angel, but it just didnt seem right to do something "before God" when the participants do not even believe in God. I had to take a step back then and look at marrage and what it meant to ME, screw the church or otherwise. Its MY vow I gave to someone for the rest of my life.
Church, State, my neighbor,....or even possibly Jealous Sister has no grounds to say if the vows between us are right or wrong.
"Sactity" of marrage is still there weather its man and woman, OR man and man.
One man being able to legally marry another man does NOT take away from the vows I took to my wife, nor does it take away from the signifigance. Legally it does not in any way affect my marrage, or its validity.
It is often stated that same --- marrages are wrong and would dillute traditional marrages,...how in the world would they do that???
It is said that it teaches and re-enforces diviant behavior in children.....that has been PROVEN not to be the case.
Quoteing biblical law is downright silly.
I am not homophobic in the least. I am not Gay, Bi, Curious, ect ect ect
I DO personally think its wrong.........I also happen to think making Mild Salsa is wrong. THEREFORE I dont eat it.. to each thier own. If it sounds like I am trivializing by useing Mild Salsa as an example.....then explain how?
To not support an adverse opinion just because it is different than your own is selfish. To do everything in my power to prevent others from enjoying Mild Salsa is forcing MY WILL upon others directly or indirectly..Also wrong on a very deep level just as a person that is sharing this planet, nothing to with rights, religion or laws. Just common decency.
To pursue the removal of said environment for a totally separate individual to make choices that have nothing to do with yourself is unpatriotic, ignorant, and spiteful.
Not trying to grandstand about it. There really is not argument for ANY anti-Gay protesting or discrimination that makes sense beyond disliking them based on thier fondness for Mild Salsa......
-RFB
This is why tolerance is important, acceptance is another issue.

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
what on earth sense does that make?
#2 makes no sense... THUGS? it is their coice i grew up and still live in the barrio and i did not make the CHOICE to be a thug like many of the neighborhood kids i grew up with.
have you heard of nazis???...um yeah we all have what does that have to do with anything he or you said in that post? it seems like you don't even understand what people are saying half the time. because you throw all these things out that have nothing at all to do with what you are quoting from other people and you argue and argue and argue and then sit back and smile like you won the debate even though you haven't proven anything you have just stated YOUR opinion
UMMM, i think your're the one not getting it since you're the ONLY one that has said something like that..oh maybe tobin too. don't take this offensive..
#2.. what?...so being gay is a NOt a choice! is it a talent ? is it genes? or god's gift?.
here, i'll define my self for you: NAZIS, they like to practice racism towards minorities, and NOT ONLY nazis just regular folks still practice racism .are you getting it so far? now being a minory and being harrased because of the color of your skin is just like being harrased because of your sexuality isn't it? more or less...
I like HOT SALSA

where did salsa come from?

 

[reefforbrains]

Being a thug implies you are demonstrating a behavior towards OTHER people. Crime & Thug go hand in hand. Violence, theft, vadalism, and general disregard for others along with the law is part of the overall persona for someone to be deemed "Thug"
It is not discrimination against someone self propmoting themself as a thug. It is common sense. I would toss a thug out of my store if behaving in any such manner. Being a Thug IS clearly a personal choise made by the individual that DOES affect other's property, and personal saftey. There is not the slightest comparison between being homosexual, and advertizing with pride that you ARE by definition a criminal element and to be treated as such.
Thug has nothing at all to do with skin color.
Cholo, Thug, Homey, who cares what you want to call it, its a behavior pattern and a personal choice that DOES effect others and SHOULD be frowned upon just out of unity in nation.
Anyone who wants to get tattoo's on thier neck, wear Dikies workwear and not have a job thats fine by me. They start advertizing they are

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by threatening or trying to be physically intimidating to others for no purpose other than bravado I have issue. Nothing to do with thier orientation or thier purpose.
I dont care who is holding them back in life, or what the underlying issue is that leads people to act this way... I just deal with them accordingly, Case by case basis naturally. Dress how you like, get tattoos anywhere and as much as you like. I am talking about attitude and being a productive part of society. For a Thug thats impossible.
There is no comparison between someone of homosexual persuasion and a "Thug"
-RFB

 

[aztec reef]

Originally Posted by ReefForBrains
It is often stated that same --- marrages are wrong and would dillute traditional marrages,...how in the world would they do that???
Quoteing biblical law is downright silly.
I am not homophobic in the least. I am not Gay, Bi, Curious, ect ect ect
I DO personally think its wrong.........I also happen to think making Mild Salsa is wrong. THEREFORE I dont eat it.. to each thier own. If it sounds like I am trivializing by useing Mild Salsa as an example.....then explain how?
To not support an adverse opinion just because it is different than your own is selfish. To do everything in my power to prevent others from enjoying Mild Salsa is forcing MY WILL upon others directly or indirectly..Also wrong on a very deep level just as a person that is sharing this planet, nothing to with rights, religion or laws. Just common decency.
To pursue the removal of said environment for a totally separate individual to make choices that have nothing to do with yourself is unpatriotic, ignorant, and spiteful.
Not trying to grandstand about it. There really is not argument for ANY anti-Gay protesting or discrimination that makes sense beyond disliking them based on thier fondness for Mild Salsa......
-RFB
ONE question: what percentage of gay couples are Christians?
How will same --- dillute traditional marriages? Let's see here, if we Legalized same --- marriage few decades ago. this would be a totally different World. (i probably wouldn't be here)you know what i would be considered right now? an Outkast, Actually i'm partially an Outkast,since i'm a minority( if you can call it that nowdays.).
If you don't go by any laws. what kind of role model is that ,who is your role model ? do you have one?
why are you so rightchess? who agree's on your laws?
how does decency compare salsa to homosexuallity? can you discuss making salsa vs. homosexuallity at church? maybe at school nowdays but Not 15-20years ago..
if being anti-gay makes me ignorant so be it..it's your opinion. It all comes down to how you were brought up i guess and how much you're accustom to tolerate..It's all Revelations..