getting very angry with my lfs
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sparty059
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Ok. I'll let him know I want it. I was assuming I have to make a refugium based off of AquaKnights drawing. We just have to keep in mind that the whole point to me using another tank is so then I don't have to worry about anything ever overflowing in my tank or in my sump tanks... otherwise it will ruin my carpet... so this will resolve the overflowing problem?
meowzer
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IDK...all I know is my pump pumps the water into my tank...an the overflow brings it to the sump....
....you will do tests when you have everything running with the water levels in the sump....to see if your power goes out..that it will not overflow..I had A LOT of help when I set mine up LOL
flower
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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3293376
IDK...all I know is my pump pumps the water into my tank...an the overflow brings it to the sump....
....you will do tests when you have everything running with the water levels in the sump....to see if your power goes out..that it will not overflow..I had A LOT of help when I set mine up LOL
I was told the U tube thing would break the siphon and stop an overflow.
http:///forum/post/3293376
IDK...all I know is my pump pumps the water into my tank...an the overflow brings it to the sump....
I was told the U tube thing would break the siphon and stop an overflow.
meowzer
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Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3293379
I was told the U tube thing would break the siphon and stop an overflow.
The water will stop going thru the u tube things when the water in the tank goes below the little slots in the overflow box.....You have to make sure you have enough room in your sump for that water to go....
http:///forum/post/3293379
I was told the U tube thing would break the siphon and stop an overflow.
The water will stop going thru the u tube things when the water in the tank goes below the little slots in the overflow box.....You have to make sure you have enough room in your sump for that water to go....
2quills
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There are 2 reasons why water will backflow into your sump.
1. Water will keep flowing untill the water level drops below the teeth (slots) on your overflow. (like Meowzer said)
2. Since your return nozzles (loc-line fittings in your case) are going to be submerged in water a syphon will be created when your return pump is shut off, causing water to backflow untill air is introduced into them.
Some people will adjust them in a way where you can drill a hole in them somewhere near the surface so that there is minimal backflow untill the air is able to get in. You can also use what is called a check-valve on your return line which is a fitting designed to only let water flow one way...but you can't rely on these alone because sometimes they get stuck open when they get dirty.
Or if you're creative (like me)
you can do something like this. I will use a check-valve on my return line. I will also have my loc-line fittings ran in a way that I won't have to drill any holes in them. I have 2 different sets of nozzles on mine. The 2 on the ends will spray water downward into the tank. The 2 side-spray nozzles in the middle will spray water at the surface and this will help provide surface aggitation as well as work as a syphon break for air to get in once the water lever drops a little bit. So in other words...if you set everything just right and take precautions then the chance of any flooding occuring will be next to nothing. Pluss my sump will be able to handle enough water backflowing into it just incase any of those precautions were to fail.
1. Water will keep flowing untill the water level drops below the teeth (slots) on your overflow. (like Meowzer said)
2. Since your return nozzles (loc-line fittings in your case) are going to be submerged in water a syphon will be created when your return pump is shut off, causing water to backflow untill air is introduced into them.
Some people will adjust them in a way where you can drill a hole in them somewhere near the surface so that there is minimal backflow untill the air is able to get in. You can also use what is called a check-valve on your return line which is a fitting designed to only let water flow one way...but you can't rely on these alone because sometimes they get stuck open when they get dirty.
Or if you're creative (like me)
2quills
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Originally Posted by meowzer
http:///forum/post/3293394
I thought you were fishing
We were, got back just a little bit ago. It was a good time but the catch kinda sucked. We caught about 30 fish between the 4 of us and only kept 3.
Oh well, that's fishing for ya! Was still fun to get out there on the water but it was really really hot today. I'm beat.
http:///forum/post/3293394
I thought you were fishing
We were, got back just a little bit ago. It was a good time but the catch kinda sucked. We caught about 30 fish between the 4 of us and only kept 3.
Oh well, that's fishing for ya! Was still fun to get out there on the water but it was really really hot today. I'm beat.
2quills
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Originally Posted by nycbob
http:///forum/post/3293402
i thought this thread was about being angry with ur lfs?
It started out that way...I guess we're over it now lol.
http:///forum/post/3293402
i thought this thread was about being angry with ur lfs?
It started out that way...I guess we're over it now lol.
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by nycbob
http:///forum/post/3293402
i thought this thread was about being angry with ur lfs?
YEAH...you know how it is around here....LOL
http:///forum/post/3293402
i thought this thread was about being angry with ur lfs?
YEAH...you know how it is around here....LOL
sparty059
Active Member
Excuse me... but I am NOT over with being angry with them!
I went in there today to pick up a new light bulb for the tank and the guy that claimed the only way to get a sump in there was to break my tank and he would do it for a price was there. He seemed a little awkward today seeing that he was half expecting me to ask him to do it still.
On a side note, I didn't get any of the 20 gallon tanks today. I'm picking one up tomorrow, and might be going to the LFS to pick up the other (20 long). I'd rather not get it there, but it's the only place that really has them for a decent price ($35).
I'll end up taking it into a glass shop tomorrow to see if someone can drill a hole into it for the bulkhead.
Wooo! Update! I'm now getting a 20 gallon long for $15 tomorrow! So in total I will be spending $45 on a 20 tall, 20 long, lights for the 20 tall, a cover for the 20 tall (if even needed), and a filter for the 20 gallon (if I even need it).
Sounds like a pretty good day to me!
On a side note, I didn't get any of the 20 gallon tanks today. I'm picking one up tomorrow, and might be going to the LFS to pick up the other (20 long). I'd rather not get it there, but it's the only place that really has them for a decent price ($35).
I'll end up taking it into a glass shop tomorrow to see if someone can drill a hole into it for the bulkhead.
Wooo! Update! I'm now getting a 20 gallon long for $15 tomorrow! So in total I will be spending $45 on a 20 tall, 20 long, lights for the 20 tall, a cover for the 20 tall (if even needed), and a filter for the 20 gallon (if I even need it).
Sounds like a pretty good day to me!
2quills
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Originally Posted by Sparty059
http:///forum/post/3293427
Also, what size/power pump should I get to push the water back into the tank?
I'd say go with something in the 900-950 gph range. After headloss you'd be getting around 5 times turnover for your size tank. That's plenty...you don't want too much more than that going through your sump because it won't be able to process all that water.
You will want to look into some powerheads for inside the tank to provide flow as well...it helps with the filtration. Probably 2-3 powerheads equalling a total of around 3,000 gph. Between those and your sump you'd have a turnover rate of about 25times per hour. 20-30 is average.
http:///forum/post/3293427
Also, what size/power pump should I get to push the water back into the tank?
I'd say go with something in the 900-950 gph range. After headloss you'd be getting around 5 times turnover for your size tank. That's plenty...you don't want too much more than that going through your sump because it won't be able to process all that water.
You will want to look into some powerheads for inside the tank to provide flow as well...it helps with the filtration. Probably 2-3 powerheads equalling a total of around 3,000 gph. Between those and your sump you'd have a turnover rate of about 25times per hour. 20-30 is average.
