Good news Ohio, soon we'll be able to have our guns in our bars!

reefraff

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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391249
Alright, I'm going to take your words exactly, and replace "gun", with "car".
Let's apply a tactic seldom used by the anti car crowd, Common Sense. Here you have a class of people who pay the fees and take the classes to allow themselves to LEGALLY drive a car. Why would someone go to all that trouble to comply with the law and then purposefully violate the provision that you not drive your car, ANYWHERE, while you are consuming alcohol? Sure, you'll have a fractional percentage of permit holders who are goobers and will drive the car while they are drinking but overall you'd have better luck finding a needle in a haystack than finding a permit holder driving a car drinking. .
Really? Because in 2008, there were 37,261 deaths in traffic accidents in the United States. Of those, 13,846 were alcohol related. So the "needle in the haystack" you speak of is 37%. So you really think that if 37% of those deaths were caused by people who got in a car drunk, that these same law abiding citizens would follow suits with their guns?
I'm just using the numbers here involving alcohol and another situation where people spend a lot of money and time to get a permit, and still let alcohol trump their time and money... It's not apples to apples, but it's pretty darn close in my opinion...
Is it against the rules to have a couple beers then drive? No. Most of the people who get caught driving drunk don't think they are even impaired. They didn't set out to drive drunk. In the case of the permit holder it is against the law to carry while you are drinking period, not just in a bar but anywhere. You would have to have a person set out to break the law right out the gates to have them drinking with the gun in their possession.
 
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Meowzer, where did you get your apple thingie aka, cell phone?
I used to have the coolest apple peeler, corer, slicer from Pampered Chef. You stick the apple on the prongs and turn the crank and you would end up with a peel and cored apple that was sliced in a giant circle.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391246
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Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391144
Waco also left some egg on the government's face. Bradleys, at least 1 M-60. The gun charges were there, but at the level of using armor against citizens? They had a chance to get Koresh, and fumbled the ball.
I look on my right to carry as a great responsibility. Like Uncle Ben said "with great power....".
If I draw, i have to know in my mind 100% i am comfortable destroying what I am aiming at. You hAve to train. I shoot at least once a month, 250 rounds at least.
I used to compete in the Camp Perry national matches.
I keep my skills up with at least 2 weapons in the pistol and rifle categories.
I know one thing. I will approach the sutuation as a survivor. I will do what I need to survive. I will protect my family.
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391133
If that happened here, then there's no amount of guns or rations that will save you. If a Civil War were to break out in this country today, it would make the original look like a skirmish. Your father and mantis wouldn't last a week. Yea, they may take a few with them, but they'd be dead all the same. It's the extremists who become the catalyst for such events. Americans learned by our history what happens when you 'use violence to fight for your rights'. That's why we have laws, and haved learned to live a life with some form of civility. Want to know what happens when extremists go to far, and get to the point where they "Dare you to take my guns"? It's called the Waco Seige and the Branch Davidians. Oh yea, that one worked out so well for that group.
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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391238
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Oh that's right, I apologize. The law stipulates that you can't drink in a bar while carrying your weapon. I'm sure that based on the honor system, we should expect that to be followed 100% of the time. Just like you can't drink and drive (which clearly NEVER happens either). Bottom line, if you puts guns in the hands of people who are in a bar, bad things will always be greater than good things. And yes, I know... "But Clemson, one day some nut job is going to walk into a bar, and Johnny Hero is gonna pull out his legally concealed hand gun and save the day!" I'll concede that you are probably correct, however...
Just like I always say... How many murders do you hear about, and then how many "Johnny Hero" scenarios do you hear about? I would say it's probably a 50 to 1 murder/Johnny Hero ratio. So once again, you are putting guns in the hands of people who are only going to get in trouble with them 95% of the time, versus the "greater good".
Ok, let's use your example. Let's make a law that to step foot in a bar you have to hand over your keys, vehicle registration, and drivers license. Even if not partaking. Hell let's lighten the restriction and you just have to leave your keys in your car. Would you comply? Simple yes or no.
Yes.
You should see the restrictions a local bar is currently going through because two or three patrons from their bar caused major DUI accidents and killed innocent victims:
Two deadly crashes in 2009 occurred after alleged drunk drivers left the Fox and Hound English Pub & Grille. It was enough for the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission to file administrative charges on the sports bar.
The restaurant now has to pay a $260,000 fine and follow tough new restrictions. Managers have to log and approve alcohol for anyone after three drinks.
The manager also has to stand at the door at all times, monitoring every single person leaving the establishment.
You look at this as an invasion of your rights. I see it as common sense. You have a problem with giving a bartender your credit card when you want to run a tab? I'd go even further. Before ANYONE could leave the establishment, they have to blow into a breathalyzer. You blow above the limit, you don't leave unless there's a designated driver, a ride home, or a cab called.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391252
So left wingers protested in the streets after Bush, with congressional approval invaded Iraq. 0bama attacks Libya without consulting with congress at all and when congress demands he complies with the war powers act he tells them to go pound sand. I'd say extremist is a pretty good term for him.
Do you have a clue how many second amendment activists (or anyone else) it would take to lay siege to the white house? It would take millions to overcome all the federal law enforcement agencies and the military. But as far as it goes if it comes down to it I would take up arms against anyone who was trying to take away my freedom in the literal sense. Unless there is another amendment to the constitution repealing the second I am not giving up my guns any more than I would free speech or the right not to have the cops kick in my door without a warrant.
Isn't your son in the military, or is that Darth? What if your son was serving, and was sent to defend the White House against You, a 2nd Amendment Activist? He came face-to-face with you and told you to drop your weapon. Would you still "take up arms against anyone who was trying to take away my freedom in the literal sense"?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/120#post_3391288
Isn't your son in the military, or is that Darth? What if your son was serving, and was sent to defend the White House against You, a 2nd Amendment Activist? He came face-to-face with you and told you to drop your weapon. Would you still "take up arms against anyone who was trying to take away my freedom in the literal sense"?
My son serves. Why would I. or any other second amendment activist lay siege to the White House? We let you folk on the left do the irrational stuff like tear up the town where the G8 meets. Seems to be it's always the government attacking the second amendment activists, Wacco, Ruby Ridge etc.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/120#post_3391287
Yes.
You should see the restrictions a local bar is currently going through because two or three patrons from their bar caused major DUI accidents and killed innocent victims:
Two deadly crashes in 2009 occurred after alleged drunk drivers left the Fox and Hound English Pub & Grille. It was enough for the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission to file administrative charges on the sports bar.
The restaurant now has to pay a $260,000 fine and follow tough new restrictions. Managers have to log and approve alcohol for anyone after three drinks.
The manager also has to stand at the door at all times, monitoring every single person leaving the establishment.
You look at this as an invasion of your rights. I see it as common sense. You have a problem with giving a bartender your credit card when you want to run a tab? I'd go even further. Before ANYONE could leave the establishment, they have to blow into a breathalyzer. You blow above the limit, you don't leave unless there's a designated driver, a ride home, or a cab called.
Bout 20 years ago I knew a guy who was trying to get a business going selling bar top breathalyzers. There was some hang up with liability issues and he couldn't get it off the ground but he had one of the machines. It was pretty cool. They have hand held ones now. If I owned a bar I'd have one or two of those rascals.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/120#post_3391308
Bout 20 years ago I knew a guy who was trying to get a business going selling bar top breathalyzers. There was some hang up with liability issues and he couldn't get it off the ground but he had one of the machines. It was pretty cool. They have hand held ones now. If I owned a bar I'd have one or two of those rascals.
I used to go to a bar that had one setup like a 'game'. You actually dropped a quarter into the thing to get a reading. The hook was it would spit out these random tickets after every try. If you blew below the limit, you could possibly get a ticket for a free drink one your NEXT visit, discount on future drinks, etc.
 
oscardeuce

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LOL...Why Walmart of course

Speaking of Walmart, Remington .30 caliber Carbine for$19.00/50.
Pretty good deal, they only had 2boxes.
 
oscardeuce

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Isn't your son in the military, or is that Darth?  What if your son was serving, and was sent to defend the White House against You, a 2nd Amendment Activist?  He came face-to-face with you and told you to drop your weapon.  Would you still "take up arms against anyone who was trying to take away my freedom in the literal sense"?
 
Ahh, but remember, the Armed Forces swear to uphold the Constitution, not defend the White House. In theory, they do not have to listen to the CIC if he/she is in direct violation of the Constitution.
 
oscardeuce

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Come on Mantis, I didn't mean to hurt your widdle feelings.  My wife is an RN.  She may be able to stitch that finger back on for you.

 
Practicing medicine without a license. That's kind of illegal.
I prefer liquid N2.
I did smash my finger in my reloading press one day. My fault for not paying attention. Was decapping and fell into a rut.
Camp Perry is where we shoot up to 600 yards in the matches I have shot. No optics, just iron sights. I won my division with my partner against marksmen from the whole nation. Picture hitting a watermelon at 600 yards. That's what we were trying for. I have taken some combat/ defense pistol classes. Those simulate typical encounters. Practice and train. When it really happens, you don't think, you act.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/120#post_3391341
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391237
Come on Mantis, I didn't mean to hurt your widdle feelings. My wife is an RN. She may be able to stitch that finger back on for you.

Practicing medicine without a license. That's kind of illegal.
I prefer liquid N2.
I did smash my finger in my reloading press one day. My fault for not paying attention. Was decapping and fell into a rut.
Camp Perry is where we shoot up to 600 yards in the matches I have shot. No optics, just iron sights. I won my division with my partner against marksmen from the whole nation. Picture hitting a watermelon at 600 yards. That's what we were trying for. I have taken some combat/ defense pistol classes. Those simulate typical encounters. Practice and train. When it really happens, you don't think, you act.
The only clue that I own a gun, Other than about 8,000 rounds of ammo in the family room waiting to go down stairs is a 50 caliber hawkins hanging on a buffalo hide on the wall. No cammo BS and such. Should I ever need them there are a few handguns and a 12 gauge shorty at the ready up stairs. If I need to get to the long guns I am screwed, they are in the locker down stairs. By the time I hauled my crippled butt down there and got the thing unlocked I'd be over ran LOL!
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/120#post_3391287
Yes.
You should see the restrictions a local bar is currently going through because two or three patrons from their bar caused major DUI accidents and killed innocent victims:
Two deadly crashes in 2009 occurred after alleged drunk drivers left the Fox and Hound English Pub & Grille. It was enough for the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission to file administrative charges on the sports bar.
The restaurant now has to pay a $260,000 fine and follow tough new restrictions. Managers have to log and approve alcohol for anyone after three drinks.
The manager also has to stand at the door at all times, monitoring every single person leaving the establishment.
You look at this as an invasion of your rights. I see it as common sense. You have a problem with giving a bartender your credit card when you want to run a tab? I'd go even further. Before ANYONE could leave the establishment, they have to blow into a breathalyzer. You blow above the limit, you don't leave unless there's a designated driver, a ride home, or a cab called.
Why would you support that? You support one's freedom to drink and drive.
 
oscardeuce

oscardeuce

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Funny thing according to the local radio station, nearby states allow one to consume and carry. The Ohio law is actually much more common sense..
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/120#post_3391341
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391237
Come on Mantis, I didn't mean to hurt your widdle feelings. My wife is an RN. She may be able to stitch that finger back on for you.

Practicing medicine without a license. That's kind of illegal.
I prefer liquid N2.
I did smash my finger in my reloading press one day. My fault for not paying attention. Was decapping and fell into a rut.
Camp Perry is where we shoot up to 600 yards in the matches I have shot. No optics, just iron sights. I won my division with my partner against marksmen from the whole nation. Picture hitting a watermelon at 600 yards. That's what we were trying for. I have taken some combat/ defense pistol classes. Those simulate typical encounters. Practice and train. When it really happens, you don't think, you act.
It's against the law for someone to stitch up a wound in an emergency situation? OK. Let the guy bleed out then because he had to sit in an ER for 2 hours waiting for the doctor to finish playing around with the techs in the janitor closet. I've talked to some of the ER docs at my wife's hospital. I wouldn't trust them to cut a hangnail, much less stitch up a wound.
Practicing to be a sniper in case Obama gets out of hand?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/120#post_3391335
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/120#post_3391288
Isn't your son in the military, or is that Darth? What if your son was serving, and was sent to defend the White House against You, a 2nd Amendment Activist? He came face-to-face with you and told you to drop your weapon. Would you still "take up arms against anyone who was trying to take away my freedom in the literal sense"?
Ahh, but remember, the Armed Forces swear to uphold the Constitution, not defend the White House. In theory, they do not have to listen to the CIC if he/she is in direct violation of the Constitution.
How would the President be violating the Constitution if a bunch of radical extremist went on a rampage and seige on the White House simply because they disagree or BELIEVE that Obama was violating their Constitution rights?
Here's the oath:
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/120#post_3391565
How would the President be violating the Constitution if a bunch of radical extremist went on a rampage and seige on the White House simply because they disagree or BELIEVE that Obama was violating their Constitution rights?
Here's the oath:
I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
you highlighted the wrong sections.
 
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