darthtang aw
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And I am living proof! ... Bwahahaaha
She didn't misspell booger man.
Darth (hooked on phonics saves lives) Tang
Good news Ohio, soon we'll be able to have our guns in our bars!
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And I am living proof! ... Bwahahaaha
She didn't misspell booger man.
Darth (hooked on phonics saves lives) Tang
meowzer
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You know......living in NY I was terrified of guns,......would not allow them in my home...(to tell you the truth I am sure I would have shot my ex A-HOLE)
ANYWHO.....now in OK...we are well stocked with guns and ammo
COULD I shoot someone...IDK....WOULD I....IDK.....BUT....let someone threaten my Meowzer and see what happens....(LOL)
I know how to use some (not all) of what we have..and do not take them for granted. My husband hunts for sport....and yeah..we eat the deer and occasional turkey.....
IF WE had to survive, we would probably have anough ammo for 6 months.....he would like us to have enough for 1 year though. WE live away from town, in the woods, and have been here 17 years...NEVER had an issue with "criminals" (at home that is)
I am no longer scared or threatened by our guns...BUT YES....I would be terrified if one was held on me (I know this for a fact)
I will NEVER argue rights though because I DO NOT agree with all gun laws FOR carrying....OR AGAINST
ok...now back to the movie
ANYWHO.....now in OK...we are well stocked with guns and ammo
COULD I shoot someone...IDK....WOULD I....IDK.....BUT....let someone threaten my Meowzer and see what happens....(LOL)
I know how to use some (not all) of what we have..and do not take them for granted. My husband hunts for sport....and yeah..we eat the deer and occasional turkey.....
IF WE had to survive, we would probably have anough ammo for 6 months.....he would like us to have enough for 1 year though. WE live away from town, in the woods, and have been here 17 years...NEVER had an issue with "criminals" (at home that is)
I am no longer scared or threatened by our guns...BUT YES....I would be terrified if one was held on me (I know this for a fact)
I will NEVER argue rights though because I DO NOT agree with all gun laws FOR carrying....OR AGAINST
ok...now back to the movie
reefraff
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Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/80#post_3391034
What in the H - E double hockey sticks are you talking about?
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/06/15/Ohio-lawmakers-vote-yes-guns_.html?sid=101
I wouldn't call that misleading, would you?
LOL! Yeah, right. A condition of the permit is you can't carry while drinking so your diatribe about mixing guns and booze is completely off base.
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/80#post_3391034
What in the H - E double hockey sticks are you talking about?
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/06/15/Ohio-lawmakers-vote-yes-guns_.html?sid=101
I wouldn't call that misleading, would you?
LOL! Yeah, right. A condition of the permit is you can't carry while drinking so your diatribe about mixing guns and booze is completely off base.
reefraff
Active Member
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/80#post_3391045
I need professional help? Look in the mirror. You justify gun ownership on the simple fact that those scenario's you quoted ended up without pulling the trigger. What if the guy went through on his threat and pulled his own weapon out? Would your brother have pulled the trigger then? If he did, and he killed a person with the shot, then it's a death regardless if it was self-defense or not. Then end result was the guy was DEAD. You're the one whose paranoid. I've been around guns since I was in diapers. NOT ONCE have I had to pull a weapon on another human being. I don't live in some mortal fear that someone MAY attack me, or MAY cause me physical harm. If you have to look over your shoulder waiting for that next person to threaten you or your livlihood, maybe you need to find someplace else to live. I know I would.
I'd rather have it and not need it. I have had to pull the gun one time in about 22 years of carrying in the car. I am such a menace to society LOL! That one incident more than justifies my opinion on the subject.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/80#post_3391045
I need professional help? Look in the mirror. You justify gun ownership on the simple fact that those scenario's you quoted ended up without pulling the trigger. What if the guy went through on his threat and pulled his own weapon out? Would your brother have pulled the trigger then? If he did, and he killed a person with the shot, then it's a death regardless if it was self-defense or not. Then end result was the guy was DEAD. You're the one whose paranoid. I've been around guns since I was in diapers. NOT ONCE have I had to pull a weapon on another human being. I don't live in some mortal fear that someone MAY attack me, or MAY cause me physical harm. If you have to look over your shoulder waiting for that next person to threaten you or your livlihood, maybe you need to find someplace else to live. I know I would.
I'd rather have it and not need it. I have had to pull the gun one time in about 22 years of carrying in the car. I am such a menace to society LOL! That one incident more than justifies my opinion on the subject.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/80#post_3391093
Bionic, would you call an ethiopian immigrant paranoid for saving up a years supply of food paranoid?
Would you call a guy with a years worth of rent saved up paranoid...even if he spent two years homeless?
These two examples are real. They are friends of mine. Life taught them these scenarios are very possible.
Why is mantis paranoid or extreme for learning what life has taught him is possible.
You have been blessed, lucky...call it what you want. Others, not so much. Yet you call them extremists when they stand up for what life has taught them. I call the practical and smart.
My dad has guns, ammo, and food stored up for a year. There are riots happenning around the world in civilized countries.....why can't that happen here?
Exactly. Of course rather than storing food I am just making note of which of my neighbors are mormon. With enough guns I can "convince" them to share their food stores
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/80#post_3391093
Bionic, would you call an ethiopian immigrant paranoid for saving up a years supply of food paranoid?
Would you call a guy with a years worth of rent saved up paranoid...even if he spent two years homeless?
These two examples are real. They are friends of mine. Life taught them these scenarios are very possible.
Why is mantis paranoid or extreme for learning what life has taught him is possible.
You have been blessed, lucky...call it what you want. Others, not so much. Yet you call them extremists when they stand up for what life has taught them. I call the practical and smart.
My dad has guns, ammo, and food stored up for a year. There are riots happenning around the world in civilized countries.....why can't that happen here?
Exactly. Of course rather than storing food I am just making note of which of my neighbors are mormon. With enough guns I can "convince" them to share their food stores
bionicarm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/80#post_3391093
Bionic, would you call an ethiopian immigrant paranoid for saving up a years supply of food paranoid?
Would you call a guy with a years worth of rent saved up paranoid...even if he spent two years homeless?
These two examples are real. They are friends of mine. Life taught them these scenarios are very possible.
Why is mantis paranoid or extreme for learning what life has taught him is possible.
You have been blessed, lucky...call it what you want. Others, not so much. Yet you call them extremists when they stand up for what life has taught them. I call the practical and smart.
My dad has guns, ammo, and food stored up for a year. There are riots happenning around the world in civilized countries.....why can't that happen here?
If that happened here, then there's no amount of guns or rations that will save you. If a Civil War were to break out in this country today, it would make the original look like a skirmish. Your father and mantis wouldn't last a week. Yea, they may take a few with them, but they'd be dead all the same. It's the extremists who become the catalyst for such events. Americans learned by our history what happens when you 'use violence to fight for your rights'. That's why we have laws, and haved learned to live a life with some form of civility. Want to know what happens when extremists go to far, and get to the point where they "Dare you to take my guns"? It's called the Waco Seige and the Branch Davidians. Oh yea, that one worked out so well for that group.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/80#post_3391093
Bionic, would you call an ethiopian immigrant paranoid for saving up a years supply of food paranoid?
Would you call a guy with a years worth of rent saved up paranoid...even if he spent two years homeless?
These two examples are real. They are friends of mine. Life taught them these scenarios are very possible.
Why is mantis paranoid or extreme for learning what life has taught him is possible.
You have been blessed, lucky...call it what you want. Others, not so much. Yet you call them extremists when they stand up for what life has taught them. I call the practical and smart.
My dad has guns, ammo, and food stored up for a year. There are riots happenning around the world in civilized countries.....why can't that happen here?
If that happened here, then there's no amount of guns or rations that will save you. If a Civil War were to break out in this country today, it would make the original look like a skirmish. Your father and mantis wouldn't last a week. Yea, they may take a few with them, but they'd be dead all the same. It's the extremists who become the catalyst for such events. Americans learned by our history what happens when you 'use violence to fight for your rights'. That's why we have laws, and haved learned to live a life with some form of civility. Want to know what happens when extremists go to far, and get to the point where they "Dare you to take my guns"? It's called the Waco Seige and the Branch Davidians. Oh yea, that one worked out so well for that group.
oscardeuce
Active Member
Waco also left some egg on the government's face. Bradleys, at least 1 M-60. The gun charges were there, but at the level of using armor against citizens? They had a chance to get Koresh, and fumbled the ball.
I look on my right to carry as a great responsibility. Like Uncle Ben said "with great power....".
If I draw, i have to know in my mind 100% i am comfortable destroying what I am aiming at. You hAve to train. I shoot at least once a month, 250 rounds at least.
I used to compete in the Camp Perry national matches.
I keep my skills up with at least 2 weapons in the pistol and rifle categories.
I know one thing. I will approach the sutuation as a survivor. I will do what I need to survive. I will protect my family.
I look on my right to carry as a great responsibility. Like Uncle Ben said "with great power....".
If I draw, i have to know in my mind 100% i am comfortable destroying what I am aiming at. You hAve to train. I shoot at least once a month, 250 rounds at least.
I used to compete in the Camp Perry national matches.
I keep my skills up with at least 2 weapons in the pistol and rifle categories.
I know one thing. I will approach the sutuation as a survivor. I will do what I need to survive. I will protect my family.
reefraff
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391133
If that happened here, then there's no amount of guns or rations that will save you. If a Civil War were to break out in this country today, it would make the original look like a skirmish. Your father and mantis wouldn't last a week. Yea, they may take a few with them, but they'd be dead all the same. It's the extremists who become the catalyst for such events. Americans learned by our history what happens when you 'use violence to fight for your rights'. That's why we have laws, and haved learned to live a life with some form of civility. Want to know what happens when extremists go to far, and get to the point where they "Dare you to take my guns"? It's called the Waco Seige and the Branch Davidians. Oh yea, that one worked out so well for that group.
I agree, the Extremist in the White House could pull this country into a civil war if people are foolish enough to give him another term. I'd say the extremists are the one's trying to undo 200 years of policy and tradition, not those who want to preserve it.
And as far as Waco goes I wouldn't use that as anything but an example of incompetent law enforcement. That doesn't excuse the davidians but law enforcement couldn't have screwed that up any worse had they tried.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391133
If that happened here, then there's no amount of guns or rations that will save you. If a Civil War were to break out in this country today, it would make the original look like a skirmish. Your father and mantis wouldn't last a week. Yea, they may take a few with them, but they'd be dead all the same. It's the extremists who become the catalyst for such events. Americans learned by our history what happens when you 'use violence to fight for your rights'. That's why we have laws, and haved learned to live a life with some form of civility. Want to know what happens when extremists go to far, and get to the point where they "Dare you to take my guns"? It's called the Waco Seige and the Branch Davidians. Oh yea, that one worked out so well for that group.
I agree, the Extremist in the White House could pull this country into a civil war if people are foolish enough to give him another term. I'd say the extremists are the one's trying to undo 200 years of policy and tradition, not those who want to preserve it.
And as far as Waco goes I wouldn't use that as anything but an example of incompetent law enforcement. That doesn't excuse the davidians but law enforcement couldn't have screwed that up any worse had they tried.
bionicarm
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391147
I agree, the Extremist in the White House could pull this country into a civil war if people are foolish enough to give him another term. I'd say the extremists are the one's trying to undo 200 years of policy and tradition, not those who want to preserve it.
And as far as Waco goes I wouldn't use that as anything but an example of incompetent law enforcement. That doesn't excuse the davidians but law enforcement couldn't have screwed that up any worse had they tried.
That's not the point. Waco was a prime example of what happens when a "2nd Amendment Advocate" is determined to keep those rights, no matter what the costs may be.
Your "over the top" interpretation of our current administration is exactly what starts these civil unrests you see in other countries. You get a bunch of fanatics and extremists together, and you create chaos. Next comees civil unrest. Next comes violence. Next comes a total collapse of our government system.
What exactly would you do if this scenario actually played out? A group of radicals vowing to protect their 2nd Amendment rights lay seige on the White House, planning to overtake our tyrannical government. Obama has no other choice but to deploy our military servicemen to protect the White House. So are you going to shoot down your fellow Americans who signed up to protect and serve this country? You willing to shoot your brother, cousin, sister, aunt, next door neighbor, maybe even your own son to protect these rights?
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391147
I agree, the Extremist in the White House could pull this country into a civil war if people are foolish enough to give him another term. I'd say the extremists are the one's trying to undo 200 years of policy and tradition, not those who want to preserve it.
And as far as Waco goes I wouldn't use that as anything but an example of incompetent law enforcement. That doesn't excuse the davidians but law enforcement couldn't have screwed that up any worse had they tried.
That's not the point. Waco was a prime example of what happens when a "2nd Amendment Advocate" is determined to keep those rights, no matter what the costs may be.
Your "over the top" interpretation of our current administration is exactly what starts these civil unrests you see in other countries. You get a bunch of fanatics and extremists together, and you create chaos. Next comees civil unrest. Next comes violence. Next comes a total collapse of our government system.
What exactly would you do if this scenario actually played out? A group of radicals vowing to protect their 2nd Amendment rights lay seige on the White House, planning to overtake our tyrannical government. Obama has no other choice but to deploy our military servicemen to protect the White House. So are you going to shoot down your fellow Americans who signed up to protect and serve this country? You willing to shoot your brother, cousin, sister, aunt, next door neighbor, maybe even your own son to protect these rights?
bionicarm
Active Member
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Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391144
Waco also left some egg on the government's face. Bradleys, at least 1 M-60. The gun charges were there, but at the level of using armor against citizens? They had a chance to get Koresh, and fumbled the ball.
I look on my right to carry as a great responsibility. Like Uncle Ben said "with great power....".
If I draw, i have to know in my mind 100% i am comfortable destroying what I am aiming at. You hAve to train. I shoot at least once a month, 250 rounds at least.
I used to compete in the Camp Perry national matches.
I keep my skills up with at least 2 weapons in the pistol and rifle categories.
I know one thing. I will approach the sutuation as a survivor. I will do what I need to survive. I will protect my family.
Don't have a clue what Camp Perry matches are. Plunking at stationary or inanimate objects makes someone perfect their aim, but it doesn't nothing to validate whether you could actually pull the trigger on a living, breathing human being if that actually came to fruition. People always say they'd have no problem shooting someone, but until that day actually happens, it's only the testosterone talking.
Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391144
Waco also left some egg on the government's face. Bradleys, at least 1 M-60. The gun charges were there, but at the level of using armor against citizens? They had a chance to get Koresh, and fumbled the ball.
I look on my right to carry as a great responsibility. Like Uncle Ben said "with great power....".
If I draw, i have to know in my mind 100% i am comfortable destroying what I am aiming at. You hAve to train. I shoot at least once a month, 250 rounds at least.
I used to compete in the Camp Perry national matches.
I keep my skills up with at least 2 weapons in the pistol and rifle categories.
I know one thing. I will approach the sutuation as a survivor. I will do what I need to survive. I will protect my family.
Don't have a clue what Camp Perry matches are. Plunking at stationary or inanimate objects makes someone perfect their aim, but it doesn't nothing to validate whether you could actually pull the trigger on a living, breathing human being if that actually came to fruition. People always say they'd have no problem shooting someone, but until that day actually happens, it's only the testosterone talking.
mantisman51
Active Member
Any talk of revolution or armed resistance is stupid and dangerous. We are a country of law and order. We can vote for change and it is that simple. There are people in government who are just as stupid and dangerous as the violent militias, but we have the ability to vote these dirtbags out. Me wanting to preserve the Constitutional right to bear arms has absolutely nothing to do with overthrowing the government than a liberal fighting for the right to free speech. Although the liberal wants to overthrow the traditions and values that made us great. Also, as far as Waco, a Texas grand jury found the claims of illegal weapons and child abuse was all lies made up by ATF informants. Not one illegal gun was found and every child who was removed before the massacre has since said there was no child abuse and that they were coerced and forced to say things by the government psychologists. That was an example of a few evil people in a government position trying to make a name for themselves and a lot of innocent people died. Instead of Bubba holding people accountable, he and Dogface er Reno tried to cover it up.
bionicarm
Active Member
And the Darwin Award goes to....
Is it you mantis, or oscardeuce that's currently missing a digit on their hand:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43423785/ns/world_news-weird_news/
Is it you mantis, or oscardeuce that's currently missing a digit on their hand:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43423785/ns/world_news-weird_news/
mantisman51
Active Member
Bionic, you simply are not worth the time or aggravation. Have a nice life.
bionicarm
Active Member
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391220
Bionic, you simply are not worth the time or aggravation. Have a nice life.
Come on Mantis, I didn't mean to hurt your widdle feelings. My wife is an RN. She may be able to stitch that finger back on for you.
Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391220
Bionic, you simply are not worth the time or aggravation. Have a nice life.
Come on Mantis, I didn't mean to hurt your widdle feelings. My wife is an RN. She may be able to stitch that finger back on for you.
theclemsonkid
Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391112
LOL! Yeah, right. A condition of the permit is you can't carry while drinking so your diatribe about mixing guns and booze is completely off base.
Oh that's right, I apologize. The law stipulates that you can't drink in a bar while carrying your weapon. I'm sure that based on the honor system, we should expect that to be followed 100% of the time. Just like you can't drink and drive (which clearly NEVER happens either). Bottom line, if you puts guns in the hands of people who are in a bar, bad things will always be greater than good things. And yes, I know... "But Clemson, one day some nut job is going to walk into a bar, and Johnny Hero is gonna pull out his legally concealed hand gun and save the day!" I'll concede that you are probably correct, however...
Just like I always say... How many murders do you hear about, and then how many "Johnny Hero" scenarios do you hear about? I would say it's probably a 50 to 1 murder/Johnny Hero ratio. So once again, you are putting guns in the hands of people who are only going to get in trouble with them 95% of the time, versus the "greater good".
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391112
LOL! Yeah, right. A condition of the permit is you can't carry while drinking so your diatribe about mixing guns and booze is completely off base.
Oh that's right, I apologize. The law stipulates that you can't drink in a bar while carrying your weapon. I'm sure that based on the honor system, we should expect that to be followed 100% of the time. Just like you can't drink and drive (which clearly NEVER happens either). Bottom line, if you puts guns in the hands of people who are in a bar, bad things will always be greater than good things. And yes, I know... "But Clemson, one day some nut job is going to walk into a bar, and Johnny Hero is gonna pull out his legally concealed hand gun and save the day!" I'll concede that you are probably correct, however...
Just like I always say... How many murders do you hear about, and then how many "Johnny Hero" scenarios do you hear about? I would say it's probably a 50 to 1 murder/Johnny Hero ratio. So once again, you are putting guns in the hands of people who are only going to get in trouble with them 95% of the time, versus the "greater good".
reefraff
Active Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391238
Oh that's right, I apologize. The law stipulates that you can't drink in a bar while carrying your weapon. I'm sure that based on the honor system, we should expect that to be followed 100% of the time. Just like you can't drink and drive (which clearly NEVER happens either). Bottom line, if you puts guns in the hands of people who are in a bar, bad things will always be greater than good things. And yes, I know... "But Clemson, one day some nut job is going to walk into a bar, and Johnny Hero is gonna pull out his legally concealed hand gun and save the day!" I'll concede that you are probably correct, however...
Just like I always say... How many murders do you hear about, and then how many "Johnny Hero" scenarios do you hear about? I would say it's probably a 50 to 1 murder/Johnny Hero ratio. So once again, you are putting guns in the hands of people who are only going to get in trouble with them 95% of the time, versus the "greater good".
Let's apply a tactic seldom used by the anti gun crowd, Common Sense. Here you have a class of people who pay the fees and take the classes to allow themselves to LEGALLY carry a gun. Why would someone go to all that trouble to comply with the law and then purposefully violate the provision that you not carry your gun, ANYWHERE, while you are consuming alcohol? Sure, you'll have a fractional percentage on permit holders who are goobers and will carry the gun while they are drinking but overall you'd have better luck finding a needle in a haystack than finding a permit holder sitting in a bar drinking. .
And there is no telling how many Johnny Hero's have used their gun to thwart Larry the Demented Liberal crack heads who have attempted to rob them. A crime prevented isn't big news, especially If the simple act of displaying a gun was enough to diffuse the situation. A lot of people, myself included, also don't want to go through the hassle of police reports unless there is a chance the dirtbag will come back. In my case I was driving in another town so I wasn't concerned about another run in.
Originally Posted by TheClemsonKid http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391238
Oh that's right, I apologize. The law stipulates that you can't drink in a bar while carrying your weapon. I'm sure that based on the honor system, we should expect that to be followed 100% of the time. Just like you can't drink and drive (which clearly NEVER happens either). Bottom line, if you puts guns in the hands of people who are in a bar, bad things will always be greater than good things. And yes, I know... "But Clemson, one day some nut job is going to walk into a bar, and Johnny Hero is gonna pull out his legally concealed hand gun and save the day!" I'll concede that you are probably correct, however...
Just like I always say... How many murders do you hear about, and then how many "Johnny Hero" scenarios do you hear about? I would say it's probably a 50 to 1 murder/Johnny Hero ratio. So once again, you are putting guns in the hands of people who are only going to get in trouble with them 95% of the time, versus the "greater good".
Let's apply a tactic seldom used by the anti gun crowd, Common Sense. Here you have a class of people who pay the fees and take the classes to allow themselves to LEGALLY carry a gun. Why would someone go to all that trouble to comply with the law and then purposefully violate the provision that you not carry your gun, ANYWHERE, while you are consuming alcohol? Sure, you'll have a fractional percentage on permit holders who are goobers and will carry the gun while they are drinking but overall you'd have better luck finding a needle in a haystack than finding a permit holder sitting in a bar drinking. .
And there is no telling how many Johnny Hero's have used their gun to thwart Larry the Demented Liberal crack heads who have attempted to rob them. A crime prevented isn't big news, especially If the simple act of displaying a gun was enough to diffuse the situation. A lot of people, myself included, also don't want to go through the hassle of police reports unless there is a chance the dirtbag will come back. In my case I was driving in another town so I wasn't concerned about another run in.
darthtang aw
Active Member
If that happened here, then there's no amount of guns or rations that will save you. If a Civil War were to break out in this country today, it would make the original look like a skirmish. Your father and mantis wouldn't last a week. Yea, they may take a few with them, but they'd be dead all the same. It's the extremists who become the catalyst for such events. Americans learned by our history what happens when you 'use violence to fight for your rights'. That's why we have laws, and haved learned to live a life with some form of civility. Want to know what happens when extremists go to far, and get to the point where they "Dare you to take my guns"? It's called the Waco Seige and the Branch Davidians. Oh yea, that one worked out so well for that group.
"At times you have to fight.no way around it. At some point everyone of us are confronted with danger or injustice. How you choose to combat that challenge is life-defining. You can face them head on, run from them, or choose to ignore them, until they consume you. But no one escapes conflict, no one."
"Find out just what the people will submit to and you have found out just the exact amount of injustice and wrong that will be imposed upon them; and the will continue untill they are resisted with woreds, or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the en durance of those they oppress."
darthtang aw
Active Member
Waco also left some egg on the government's face. Bradleys, at least 1 M-60. The gun charges were there, but at the level of using armor against citizens? They had a chance to get Koresh, and fumbled the ball.
I look on my right to carry as a great responsibility. Like Uncle Ben said "with great power....".
If I draw, i have to know in my mind 100% i am comfortable destroying what I am aiming at. You hAve to train. I shoot at least once a month, 250 rounds at least.
I used to compete in the Camp Perry national matches.
I keep my skills up with at least 2 weapons in the pistol and rifle categories.
I know one thing. I will approach the sutuation as a survivor. I will do what I need to survive. I will protect my family.
If that happened here, then there's no amount of guns or rations that will save you. If a Civil War were to break out in this country today, it would make the original look like a skirmish. Your father and mantis wouldn't last a week. Yea, they may take a few with them, but they'd be dead all the same. It's the extremists who become the catalyst for such events. Americans learned by our history what happens when you 'use violence to fight for your rights'. That's why we have laws, and haved learned to live a life with some form of civility. Want to know what happens when extremists go to far, and get to the point where they "Dare you to take my guns"? It's called the Waco Seige and the Branch Davidians. Oh yea, that one worked out so well for that group.
Oh that's right, I apologize. The law stipulates that you can't drink in a bar while carrying your weapon. I'm sure that based on the honor system, we should expect that to be followed 100% of the time. Just like you can't drink and drive (which clearly NEVER happens either). Bottom line, if you puts guns in the hands of people who are in a bar, bad things will always be greater than good things. And yes, I know... "But Clemson, one day some nut job is going to walk into a bar, and Johnny Hero is gonna pull out his legally concealed hand gun and save the day!" I'll concede that you are probably correct, however...
Just like I always say... How many murders do you hear about, and then how many "Johnny Hero" scenarios do you hear about? I would say it's probably a 50 to 1 murder/Johnny Hero ratio. So once again, you are putting guns in the hands of people who are only going to get in trouble with them 95% of the time, versus the "greater good".
Ok, let's use your example. Let's make a law that to step foot in a bar you have to hand over your keys, vehicle registration, and drivers license. Even if not partaking. Hell let's lighten the restriction and you just have to leave your keys in your car. Would you comply? Simple yes or no.
I look on my right to carry as a great responsibility. Like Uncle Ben said "with great power....".
If I draw, i have to know in my mind 100% i am comfortable destroying what I am aiming at. You hAve to train. I shoot at least once a month, 250 rounds at least.
I used to compete in the Camp Perry national matches.
I keep my skills up with at least 2 weapons in the pistol and rifle categories.
I know one thing. I will approach the sutuation as a survivor. I will do what I need to survive. I will protect my family.
If that happened here, then there's no amount of guns or rations that will save you. If a Civil War were to break out in this country today, it would make the original look like a skirmish. Your father and mantis wouldn't last a week. Yea, they may take a few with them, but they'd be dead all the same. It's the extremists who become the catalyst for such events. Americans learned by our history what happens when you 'use violence to fight for your rights'. That's why we have laws, and haved learned to live a life with some form of civility. Want to know what happens when extremists go to far, and get to the point where they "Dare you to take my guns"? It's called the Waco Seige and the Branch Davidians. Oh yea, that one worked out so well for that group.
Oh that's right, I apologize. The law stipulates that you can't drink in a bar while carrying your weapon. I'm sure that based on the honor system, we should expect that to be followed 100% of the time. Just like you can't drink and drive (which clearly NEVER happens either). Bottom line, if you puts guns in the hands of people who are in a bar, bad things will always be greater than good things. And yes, I know... "But Clemson, one day some nut job is going to walk into a bar, and Johnny Hero is gonna pull out his legally concealed hand gun and save the day!" I'll concede that you are probably correct, however...
Just like I always say... How many murders do you hear about, and then how many "Johnny Hero" scenarios do you hear about? I would say it's probably a 50 to 1 murder/Johnny Hero ratio. So once again, you are putting guns in the hands of people who are only going to get in trouble with them 95% of the time, versus the "greater good".
Ok, let's use your example. Let's make a law that to step foot in a bar you have to hand over your keys, vehicle registration, and drivers license. Even if not partaking. Hell let's lighten the restriction and you just have to leave your keys in your car. Would you comply? Simple yes or no.
theclemsonkid
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391242
Let's apply a tactic seldom used by the anti gun crowd, Common Sense. Here you have a class of people who pay the fees and take the classes to allow themselves to LEGALLY carry a gun. Why would someone go to all that trouble to comply with the law and then purposefully violate the provision that you not carry your gun, ANYWHERE, while you are consuming alcohol? Sure, you'll have a fractional percentage on permit holders who are goobers and will carry the gun while they are drinking but overall you'd have better luck finding a needle in a haystack than finding a permit holder sitting in a bar drinking. .
And there is no telling how many Johnny Hero's have used their gun to thwart Larry the Demented Liberal crack heads who have attempted to rob them. A crime prevented isn't big news, especially If the simple act of displaying a gun was enough to diffuse the situation. A lot of people, myself included, also don't want to go through the hassle of police reports unless there is a chance the dirtbag will come back. In my case I was driving in another town so I wasn't concerned about another run in.
Alright, I'm going to take your words exactly, and replace "gun", with "car".
Let's apply a tactic seldom used by the anti car crowd, Common Sense. Here you have a class of people who pay the fees and take the classes to allow themselves to LEGALLY drive a car. Why would someone go to all that trouble to comply with the law and then purposefully violate the provision that you not drive your car, ANYWHERE, while you are consuming alcohol? Sure, you'll have a fractional percentage of permit holders who are goobers and will drive the car while they are drinking but overall you'd have better luck finding a needle in a haystack than finding a permit holder driving a car drinking. .
Really? Because in 2008, there were 37,261 deaths in traffic accidents in the United States. Of those, 13,846 were alcohol related. So the "needle in the haystack" you speak of is 37%. So you really think that if 37% of those deaths were caused by people who got in a car drunk, that these same law abiding citizens would follow suits with their guns?
I'm just using the numbers here involving alcohol and another situation where people spend a lot of money and time to get a permit, and still let alcohol trump their time and money... It's not apples to apples, but it's pretty darn close in my opinion...
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391242
Let's apply a tactic seldom used by the anti gun crowd, Common Sense. Here you have a class of people who pay the fees and take the classes to allow themselves to LEGALLY carry a gun. Why would someone go to all that trouble to comply with the law and then purposefully violate the provision that you not carry your gun, ANYWHERE, while you are consuming alcohol? Sure, you'll have a fractional percentage on permit holders who are goobers and will carry the gun while they are drinking but overall you'd have better luck finding a needle in a haystack than finding a permit holder sitting in a bar drinking. .
And there is no telling how many Johnny Hero's have used their gun to thwart Larry the Demented Liberal crack heads who have attempted to rob them. A crime prevented isn't big news, especially If the simple act of displaying a gun was enough to diffuse the situation. A lot of people, myself included, also don't want to go through the hassle of police reports unless there is a chance the dirtbag will come back. In my case I was driving in another town so I wasn't concerned about another run in.
Alright, I'm going to take your words exactly, and replace "gun", with "car".
Let's apply a tactic seldom used by the anti car crowd, Common Sense. Here you have a class of people who pay the fees and take the classes to allow themselves to LEGALLY drive a car. Why would someone go to all that trouble to comply with the law and then purposefully violate the provision that you not drive your car, ANYWHERE, while you are consuming alcohol? Sure, you'll have a fractional percentage of permit holders who are goobers and will drive the car while they are drinking but overall you'd have better luck finding a needle in a haystack than finding a permit holder driving a car drinking. .
Really? Because in 2008, there were 37,261 deaths in traffic accidents in the United States. Of those, 13,846 were alcohol related. So the "needle in the haystack" you speak of is 37%. So you really think that if 37% of those deaths were caused by people who got in a car drunk, that these same law abiding citizens would follow suits with their guns?
I'm just using the numbers here involving alcohol and another situation where people spend a lot of money and time to get a permit, and still let alcohol trump their time and money... It's not apples to apples, but it's pretty darn close in my opinion...
reefraff
Active Member
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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391184
That's not the point. Waco was a prime example of what happens when a "2nd Amendment Advocate" is determined to keep those rights, no matter what the costs may be.
Your "over the top" interpretation of our current administration is exactly what starts these civil unrests you see in other countries. You get a bunch of fanatics and extremists together, and you create chaos. Next comees civil unrest. Next comes violence. Next comes a total collapse of our government system.
What exactly would you do if this scenario actually played out? A group of radicals vowing to protect their 2nd Amendment rights lay seige on the White House, planning to overtake our tyrannical government. Obama has no other choice but to deploy our military servicemen to protect the White House. So are you going to shoot down your fellow Americans who signed up to protect and serve this country? You willing to shoot your brother, cousin, sister, aunt, next door neighbor, maybe even your own son to protect these rights?
So left wingers protested in the streets after Bush, with congressional approval invaded Iraq. 0bama attacks Libya without consulting with congress at all and when congress demands he complies with the war powers act he tells them to go pound sand. I'd say extremist is a pretty good term for him.
Do you have a clue how many second amendment activists (or anyone else) it would take to lay siege to the white house? It would take millions to overcome all the federal law enforcement agencies and the military. But as far as it goes if it comes down to it I would take up arms against anyone who was trying to take away my freedom in the literal sense. Unless there is another amendment to the constitution repealing the second I am not giving up my guns any more than I would free speech or the right not to have the cops kick in my door without a warrant.
Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386190/good-news-ohio-soon-we-ll-be-able-to-have-our-guns-in-our-bars/100#post_3391184
That's not the point. Waco was a prime example of what happens when a "2nd Amendment Advocate" is determined to keep those rights, no matter what the costs may be.
Your "over the top" interpretation of our current administration is exactly what starts these civil unrests you see in other countries. You get a bunch of fanatics and extremists together, and you create chaos. Next comees civil unrest. Next comes violence. Next comes a total collapse of our government system.
What exactly would you do if this scenario actually played out? A group of radicals vowing to protect their 2nd Amendment rights lay seige on the White House, planning to overtake our tyrannical government. Obama has no other choice but to deploy our military servicemen to protect the White House. So are you going to shoot down your fellow Americans who signed up to protect and serve this country? You willing to shoot your brother, cousin, sister, aunt, next door neighbor, maybe even your own son to protect these rights?
So left wingers protested in the streets after Bush, with congressional approval invaded Iraq. 0bama attacks Libya without consulting with congress at all and when congress demands he complies with the war powers act he tells them to go pound sand. I'd say extremist is a pretty good term for him.
Do you have a clue how many second amendment activists (or anyone else) it would take to lay siege to the white house? It would take millions to overcome all the federal law enforcement agencies and the military. But as far as it goes if it comes down to it I would take up arms against anyone who was trying to take away my freedom in the literal sense. Unless there is another amendment to the constitution repealing the second I am not giving up my guns any more than I would free speech or the right not to have the cops kick in my door without a warrant.