Government is the only thing we all belong too

bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/20#post_3491715
Chinese manufacturing wage is closer to 6 dollars an hour right now. Also, take a look at this story.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2012/0510/As-Chinese-wages-rise-US-manufacturers-head-back-home
I can tell you it's no more than $8/day in Mexico. The businesses I deal with that are down there are in labor contracts right now, and there's no indication any changes will be made in the near future.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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I can tell you it's no more than $8/day in Mexico.  The businesses I deal with that are down there are in labor contracts right now, and there's no indication any changes will be made in the near future.
That is interesting. Because this wage tracking site states it is much higher.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/mexico.shtml
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/40#post_3491786
That is interesting. Because this wage tracking site states it is much higher.
http://www.worldsalaries.org/mexico.shtml
I work with around 5 different American companies that own Maquiladoras in Acuna, Piedras Negras, Juarez, Guadalajara, Torreon, and Puebla. Two of them are automotive suppliers (one for Volkswagen the other for Ford, Chevy, and International). They pay their line workers and average of $6 - $9 per day. Management and technical/engineering positions pay much higher, but the individuals who have those jobs have some form of upper-level education and/or college degrees. However, compared to pay for those positions in the US, they are paid 40% - 60% less than they would be paid for the same experience working in the US. Looking at your link, it shows Manufacturing average income is $353 per MONTH in US dollars based on 2005 numbers. That comes to around $2,20/hr, with an 8-hour work day paying around $17/day. That data could've been comprised using data from plants that are located in larger municipalities like Mexico City, were wages are considerably higher than those paid in smaller border towns.
 
beaslbob

beaslbob

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Being an old F*** I have heard all these other country low pay arguments for decades.
What each and every one of them ignore is that those rates are determined by the exchange rate that varies and are not static forever.
So as US $s do to those countries, those rates change such that worker is those countries work fo rmore US $s and people in those countries can buy more S $s even though the wage rates on both countries are still exactly the same in terms of the local currency.
Which why all those "foreign" companies have setup up factories in the US. Simply because it is less expensive to build things here then there.
my .02
 
reefraff

reefraff

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If there is no way to compete why do all these foreign auto manufacturers build plants here? I realize some small inexpensive items don't make sense but there's still plenty we can build here if we have our tax and regulatory act together.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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I work with around 5 different American companies that own Maquiladoras in Acuna, Piedras Negras, Juarez, Guadalajara, Torreon, and Puebla.  Two of them are automotive suppliers (one for Volkswagen the other for Ford, Chevy, and International).  They pay their line workers and average of $6 - $9 per day.  Management and technical/engineering positions pay much higher, but the individuals who have those jobs have some form of upper-level education and/or college degrees.  However, compared to pay for those positions in the US, they are paid 40% - 60% less than they would be paid for the same experience working in the US. Looking at your link, it shows Manufacturing average income is $353 per MONTH in US dollars based on 2005 numbers.  That comes to around $2,20/hr, with an 8-hour work day paying around $17/day. That data could've been comprised using data from plants that are located in larger municipalities like Mexico City, were wages are considerably higher than those paid in smaller border towns.
I am sorry. I forget. You always no someone or work with some one that correlates your point.
Darth (I know this guy) tang
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/40#post_3491966
I am sorry. I forget. You always no someone or work with some one that correlates your point.
Darth (I know this guy) tang
No it's called a diversified business. You have no idea what I do, who I know, and who I deal with. I have contracts with several divisions of the Federal Govt. (including factions of the CIA and NSA), plus a variety of Fortune 500 companies who have operations worldwide. Look up the definition of a Certified Ethical Hacker, CCIE, and CISSP. You have this close-minded myopic view of people thinking we all sit around at some desk doing mundane tasks every day from 9 to 5. Only certain professions and everyday ordinary people are capable of owning saltwater aquariums. I been in this business for over 30 years, and I'm good at what I do. I built a pretty strong reputation and business ethic, and once you get in with one major organization, word travels fast within the community. So yeah, I do normally know someone or work with someone that correlates with my point of view. That happens when your clientel and work associates are literally anywhere in the world, working in every imaginable environment and industry.
 
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The dems voted to take god and jersalem off the table, then after 3 tries, reinstated them. If you watch the video , IMHO the nos won that vote. But because it would have meant a sure loss in the election, they passed it. Has anything that was promised bin fulfilled. Besides a take over of the auto industry, healthcare industry? Osama bin ladden is dead and gm is alive. What a claim. Clinton could have killed him years ago, but didnt. Obama said the previous administration was to blame for everything his first 3 years in office. 5 trillion debt. If he wins this time, who is he going to blame for the 16+trillion debt? Bush? Everyone who thinks Clinton was such a great president doesnt realize that he changed laws that were put in place from the last great depression in the 30s that didnt allow banks to invest in high risk markets.. The economic boom was false, if you remember the bubble burst, which looking back is to blame for all of the economic problems we have been having since. If you disagree, answer me this one question. If 50% or more of the population is living their lives on government handouts, who is paying for it? The federal reserve just keeps printing money, which raises another question, why do we need them? We are the greatest country in the world, why do we need their money, which they loan to us with intrest? I better be careful , If I remember my history class from 85' lLincoln and Kennedy thought the same way, and look what happened to them......
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/40#post_3491943
If there is no way to compete why do all these foreign auto manufacturers build plants here? I realize some small inexpensive items don't make sense but there's still plenty we can build here if we have our tax and regulatory act together.
Nissan, Toyota, and Honda build vehicles in the US mainly due to import taxes, taxes charged in their own countries, and transportation costs. Look at what real estate costs in Japan, not to mention labor costs. The Toyota plant here in San Antonio builds Tundra's and Tacoma's. The majority of the suppliers they need to supply any materials and parts they can't produce themselves are within 5 miles of their plant. They bought the property they built the plant on for a song and dance, and Bexar County gave them a $3 million+ tax abatement over the next 10 years (plus many other "incentives) for just building here. Toyata has no union, and pays a set amount for each position - no exceptions. I think line workers make around $18/hour plus benefits.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by saltymac2012 http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/40#post_3491980
The dems voted to take god and jersalem off the table, then after 3 tries, reinstated them. If you watch the video , IMHO the nos won that vote. But because it would have meant a sure loss in the election, they passed it. Has anything that was promised bin fulfilled. Besides a take over of the auto industry, healthcare industry? Osama bin ladden is dead and gm is alive. What a claim. Clinton could have killed him years ago, but didnt. Obama said the previous administration was to blame for everything his first 3 years in office. 5 trillion debt. If he wins this time, who is he going to blame for the 16+trillion debt? Bush? Everyone who thinks Clinton was such a great president doesnt realize that he changed laws that were put in place from the last great depression in the 30s that didnt allow banks to invest in high risk markets.. The economic boom was false, if you remember the bubble burst, which looking back is to blame for all of the economic problems we have been having since. If you disagree, answer me this one question. If 50% or more of the population is living their lives on government handouts, who is paying for it? The federal reserve just keeps printing money, which raises another question, why do we need them? We are the greatest country in the world, why do we need their money, which they loan to us with intrest? I better be careful , If I remember my history class from 85' lLincoln and Kennedy thought the same way, and look what happened to them......
What has acknowledging God and Jerusalem have to do with fixing the economy or lowering the unemployment numbers? I'm ticked they didn't acknowledge Agnostic's or Atheists.
I guess if you call Social Security and Medicare recipients, plus all the military and government employees "government handouts", then your 50% assumption is correct.
 
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saltymac2012

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Medicare and medicade are different animals. If he was increasing the number of soldiers not desk workers/community leaders I could agree with you. God and jerusalem have been an ally of ours for a long time. why does this president turn his back to both?
What has he done to fix the economy? Create class warfare that didnt need any stoking in the first place. Tell me what has he done? What experience has he had except working at baskins robins? Look at the numbers....there will be a tipping point.....IMO we need this country to be run like a business. Cut the fat. If you didnt put in on it, you dont deserve it. How can you deny a senior that workrd their whole life and paid into the system and give to someone that hasnt worked afraction of the time? Its their right? To have someone else pay their way? Why is it that everyone (well used to be) in the world wanted to immagrat to this country? The American Dream!!! My great grandparents came here because only in america can you have the freedom with hard work to achieve any goal that you set out to achieve. They had to learn the language, the directions wernt printed in two or three languages to be politically correct. If you really want to be here and contribute to the society learn the language of the couyntry you live in. Why are pregnant women of countries who hate us having babies here? Why do the politicians vote on cutting our rights in the constitution? When I served, I took an oath to protect this country against any threat, both foreign and domestic. If it is so bad here, move. Far far away. Look at the money in your pocket. "IN GOD WE TRUST" If you dont like it move. Im sick of the majority bending over to the minorty. Go to mexico or Canada see how long it takes to see a doctor. If Obama gets his way it will be the same here.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by saltymac2012 http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/40#post_3491987
Medicare and medicade are different animals. If he was increasing the number of soldiers not desk workers/community leaders I could agree with you. God and jerusalem have been an ally of ours for a long time. why does this president turn his back to both?
What has he done to fix the economy? Create class warfare that didnt need any stoking in the first place. Tell me what has he done? What experience has he had except working at baskins robins? Look at the numbers....there will be a tipping point.....IMO we need this country to be run like a business. Cut the fat. If you didnt put in on it, you dont deserve it. How can you deny a senior that workrd their whole life and paid into the system and give to someone that hasnt worked afraction of the time? Its their right? To have someone else pay their way? Why is it that everyone (well used to be) in the world wanted to immagrat to this country? The American Dream!!! My great grandparents came here because only in america can you have the freedom with hard work to achieve any goal that you set out to achieve. They had to learn the language, the directions wernt printed in two or three languages to be politically correct. If you really want to be here and contribute to the society learn the language of the couyntry you live in. Why are pregnant women of countries who hate us having babies here? Why do the politicians vote on cutting our rights in the constitution? When I served, I took an oath to protect this country against any threat, both foreign and domestic. If it is so bad here, move. Far far away. Look at the money in your pocket. "IN GOD WE TRUST" If you dont like it move. Im sick of the majority bending over to the minorty. Go to mexico or Canada see how long it takes to see a doctor. If Obama gets his way it will be the same here.
God as an ally? Now that would be interesting. I could care less about Israel, Palestine, or any other country in the Middle East. I don't live there, and it is virtually impossible to try and create harmony in an area that's been at war with each other for over 2000 years. The idiots sit there and fight and kill one another for a stupid piece of land. Who cares if Iran has nukes, and threatens Israel or whoever over there with them. If they set one off, the nuclear fallout would kill them just as easily as it would kill whoever they targeted in that region.
Obama's success and failures have been documented on this forum and virtually every major media outlet. Take 10 minutes and look them up.
The US is one of the largest diverse countries in the world. We have virtually every major nationality living here, and many of those individuals care about keeping their heritages alive. We're one of the few countries where the majority of its citizens only know one language, their own. As global economies and more and more corporations start business dealings internationally due to the easier access via computer and telecommunication technology, we will be at a larger disadvantage when it comes to working with foreign nations due to our lack of understanding of other languages.
I don't think it's bad here. Why would I want to move? That's the typical solution - you don't like how we do things here, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Isolationaism doesn't work these days.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/40#post_3492004
Here's an interesting perspective as to who pays more income tax relative to their AGI. Also note towards the end of the article that most ETR calculations don't factor in payroll tax deductions for SS and Medicare:
http://money.msn.com/tax-planning/whats-your-real-tax-rate
She lists 41 percent of filers not owing income taxes. Not sure where she got that number because last year it was listed at 49.5 and 47.5 the year before.
And social security and medicare shouldn't be considered. That is a defined benefit which is capped so of course so are the taxes you pay for them. Someone making 100 million a year will get exactly the same benefit as someone earning 110K.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/40#post_3492013
She lists 41 percent of filers not owing income taxes. Not sure where she got that number because last year it was listed at 49.5 and 47.5 the year before.
Are you comparing the right numbers?
I had thought the 49.5% was working age adults not paying any income tax from last year. The 41% refers to people that filed taxed that ended up not owing anything. Those are two different groups of people.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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No it's called a diversified business.  You have no idea what I do, who I know, and who I deal with.  I have contracts with several divisions of the Federal Govt. (including factions of the CIA and NSA), plus a variety of Fortune 500 companies who have operations worldwide.  Look up the definition of a Certified Ethical Hacker, CCIE, and CISSP.  You have this close-minded myopic view of people thinking we all sit around at some desk doing mundane tasks every day from 9 to 5.  Only certain professions and everyday ordinary people are capable of owning saltwater aquariums. I been in this business for over 30 years, and I'm good at what I do.  I built a pretty strong reputation and business ethic, and once you get in with one major organization, word travels fast within the community.  So yeah, I do normally know someone or work with someone that correlates with my point of view.  That happens when your clientel and work associates are literally anywhere in the world, working in every imaginable environment and industry. 
As a business owner myself I do not have a close minded mundane view of what a business owners duties are. Nice assumption you make once again and are wrong on. You misquote facts and numbers regularly, but we are supposed to accept what you heard from " this guy". For all we know you heard wrong since this is the case with your other data regularly.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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God as an ally?  Now that would be interesting.  I could care less about Israel, Palestine, or any other country in the Middle East.  I don't live there, and it is virtually impossible to try and create harmony in an area that's been at war with each other for over 2000 years.  The idiots sit there and fight and kill one another for a stupid piece of land.  Who cares if Iran has nukes, and threatens Israel or whoever over there with them.  If they set one off, the nuclear fallout would kill them just as easily as it would kill whoever they targeted in that region. 
Obama's success and failures have been documented on this forum and virtually every major media outlet.  Take 10 minutes and look them up.
The US is one of the largest diverse countries in the world.  We have virtually every major nationality living here, and many of those individuals care about keeping their heritages alive.  We're one of the few countries where the majority of its citizens only know one language, their own.  As global economies and more and more corporations start business dealings internationally due to the easier access via computer and telecommunication technology, we will be at a larger disadvantage when it comes to working with foreign nations due to our lack of understanding of other languages.
I don't think it's bad here.  Why would I want to move?  That's the typical solution - you don't like how we do things here, don't let the door hit you on the way out.  Isolationaism doesn't work these days.
Your first paragraph contradicts your last. Way to be consistant.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Bang Guy http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/40#post_3492022
Are you comparing the right numbers?
I had thought the 49.5% was working age adults not paying any income tax from last year. The 41% refers to people that filed taxed that ended up not owing anything. Those are two different groups of people.
It was the percent of those filing who didn't owe any tax. This is from the Huffington post which I assume nobody thinks is cooking the numbers in favor of conservatives. They placed it at 46.4
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/28/46-percent-of-americans-e_n_886293.html
I think where this woman got confused in a paragraph in this piece which says the bottom 40% of earners owed no taxes over the last several years, not sure.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/392876/government-is-the-only-thing-we-all-belong-too/40#post_3492024
Your first paragraph contradicts your last. Way to be consistant.
Again with your typical taking everything literally and specifically. Never look at things in broader terms. I never said that Israelites, Iranians, or Palestines couldn't come to the US to live. I'm stating we have no business getting involved with other nations affairs. If civil unrest did occur in this country, would you want Russia, China, Great Britain or any other nation coming here to intervene with their philosophies and viewpoints?
 
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