Healthcare bill will pass the senate.

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3194302
And you accuse me of being arrogant.
Haveing said that ,first off we arent talking about Cuba or frigging Cubans,Mexicans,Puerto Ricans,Hatians or Canadians and for the record i could give a crap about Cuba.
We are talking about America,Americans and American traitors.People who see my country as bad who would attempt to fundamentally change it and the US Constitution through unlawful ways are enemys of my nation and should be shot.
Progressive Liberals sit right on top of the enemy list......
This statement pretty much validates your complete misunderstanding of what the rights of the Constitution represent. You want to label someone a traitor simply because they disagree with YOUR interpretation of the Constitution?

You sir are an extremist. You should never attempt to race in a NASCAR event. You would crash and burn on the first turn because the only direction you know is 'right'.

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3194330
Why, it is someone's personal business. What right does the government have to tell people how to run their own business. How is that NOT imposing the governments morals on individuals.
Not too many mom and pop pharmacies left out there. They are all large corporations now and if that corporation chooses to carry the morning after pill the pharmacist has no right to refuse to fill a prescription.
It appears that there is indeed an oath that pharmacists must swear to and nowhere in it does it give a pharmacist any leeway to choose to not fill any prescription that is lawfully prescribed by a doctor.
http://www.uspharmd.com/pharmacist/P...of_Ethics.html

 

[stevedave08]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3194302
And you accuse me of being arrogant.
Haveing said that ,first off we arent talking about Cuba or frigging Cubans,Mexicans,Puerto Ricans,Hatians or Canadians and for the record i could give a crap about Cuba.
We are talking about America,Americans and American traitors.People who see my country as bad who would attempt to fundamentally change it and the US Constitution through unlawful ways are enemys of my nation and should be shot.
Progressive Liberals sit right on top of the enemy list......
If you are calling me arrogant because of my final statement in the last post I addressed you in, it's because you also didn't understand that. What a surprise. You see what I did there? Now, I'm being arrogant. My statement about people's cognitive abilities was applying to all others who were reading my posts and understood what I meant. Wether they agreed or not, they still uderstood what I meant.
Way to try and change the subject because you see that my comparison was not "piss poor" but rather "spot on". WOW. DENSE. I know we weren't talking about any of those countries. Did YOU know the we weren't talking about them? Did you know we, well I, was using a historical reference to give you an example of how your little mythical Jefferson shooting people who didn't agree with his political views scenario was pretty much, tyranny? I don't see too many America-hating Americans. I see people who are in disagreement over what to do, how to do it, and how to pay for making America better. I do however, see people like you who call people that don't agree with him traitor and enemies of your nation. I don't think anyone on either side has done anything that deserves hot lead death, or any death for that matter.
I don't know what you label me as, probably a progressive liberal, but I don't really align myself with any party. I will go in the direction of what is best for our country and I'm sorry I can't align myself with a party that propagates proven lies, or one that talks too much and doesn't actually do that much even when they have control. I have stances on gun-control, war and other topics where you and I would probably be in accordance, but I have no want or need to affiliate myself with any party. Either way, just because I disagree with you on one issue you feel strongly about, you'll probably always label me a lib. That's fine.

Political parties are b.s. anyway. In either party you have to sift through sh-it Nice talking to you today Richard, but I gotta go home now. Us progressive liberals have to get home as fast as we can so we can squeeze in as much MSNBC as we can before bedtime! LMAO.

 

[stevedave08]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3194336
This statement pretty much validates your complete misunderstanding of what the rights of the Constitution represent. You want to label someone a traitor simply because they disagree with YOUR interpretation of the Constitution?

You sir are an extremist. You should never attempt to race in a NASCAR event. You would crash and burn on the first turn because the only direction you know is 'right'.

I can't agree more.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3194261
How about the woman who got fined for refusing to photograph a gay commitment ceremony because it violated her religious beliefs? That was an obvious violation of her first amendment rights yet she was still fined by the New Mexico Human Rights Commission.

I remember that story, they had a two day discussion on the local talk radio shows here about. Where that woman went wrong was by stating she wouldn't do the session because they were gy and it went against her beliefs. All she had to do was be tacful and state she was booked up for a while....
Would have been no problems, but I am sorry that was a crap fine.....no one should be forced to due business with anyone.....if they own the business. My shop will not groom Chows....should I be fined for dog discrimination.

 

[fishtaco]

%%Everytime Veni posts, a Democrat is one step closer to retaining their seat in 2010.

Fishtaco (Patriot, taxpayer, former service member) and probably too liberal to survive Veni's dream of a purge to ensure party purity and I guess sadly survive is the correct word.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3194279
Not sure how I feel about this one. On the one hand, I feel that a doctor should have the right the refuse to perform a treatment that he doesnt agree with, but on the other, he is being paid, quite well actually, to perform a service that he is qualified to perform and it should not be up to him to impose his moral views on a person who chooses to undergo said procedure. I dont have a good answer either way on this issue.
Hmm, I got married to my wife 2 years ago. I was brought up Jewish and she is Protestant. We made a decision that we didnt want religion to have anything at all to do with our wedding ceremony, so this in fact proves that marriage is NOT just a religious institution. Now that we have children of our own we have decided that they can and will learn about each religion and make their own choice when they are older, whether it be to choose Judaism, Christianity or any other religion, or none at all. I refuse to cram religion down their throat like it was mine and just about everyone else out there.
Funny, I just talked to a good friend from the state I used to live and he and his wife did the same thing. Let the kids decide. He is Jewish and his wife just graduated to become a minister in the Presbyterian church.
As far a marriage the institution predates our government by a whole lot of years. It was religions that instituted the practice and governments got involved after the fact. That is my point. Our Government actually injected itself into a religious institution. That doesn't mean your ceremony to become man and wife has to be religious in nature.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/3194314
I definitely think that a pharmacist should be legally required to prescribe any prescription that a person comes in with.
I don't think the government has the right to dictate what products a

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carries. Could be wrong on that but if I am correct then the pharmacist would indeed have the right to chose not to carry that particular product as well.
This is one of the things that makes me crazy about the abortion issue. People on both sides seem to loose any common sense when the issue comes up.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3194441
%%Everytime Veni posts, a Democrat is one step closer to retaining their seat in 2010.

Fishtaco (Patriot, taxpayer, former service member) and probably too liberal to survive Veni's dream of a purge to ensure party purity and I guess sadly survive is the correct word.

Fishtaco STFU

join in but no drive bys please.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/3194326
You are correct in the obligation of the Doctor to perform an abortion should the life of the mother be threatened. This is another one of those things the right uses. "Doctors are forced to do abortions they don't want to do! They're making them do this even though it's against their religion!" Boo Hoo. I'm pretty sure if you are a doctor against abortion, you're probably not going to be working at an abortion clinic. The only time a doctor who is not working at an abortion clinic would be in a situation where they would have to perfrom an abortion is in an emergency situation to save the life of the mother. By the right's statements on the matter, they'd rather have both the mother and the fetus die.
I am too lazy to try to look up the info, maybe Geridoc would know but I think any doc that participates in government programs like medicare is required to perform abortions, it could be hospitals I am thinking of.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3194336
This statement pretty much validates your complete misunderstanding of what the rights of the Constitution represent. You want to label someone a traitor simply because they disagree with YOUR interpretation of the Constitution?

You sir are an extremist. You should never attempt to race in a NASCAR event. You would crash and burn on the first turn because the only direction you know is 'right'.

You might want to re read his post. "change it thought unlawful means". He is correct in that aspect.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/3194339
Way to try and change the subject because you see that my comparison was not "piss poor" but rather "spot on". WOW. DENSE. I know we weren't talking about any of those countries. Did YOU know the we weren't talking about them? Did you know we, well I, was using a historical reference to give you an example of how your little mythical Jefferson shooting people who didn't agree with his political views scenario was pretty much, tyranny?
My mythical sarcasm was directed at Bionicarms retarded comments posted prior but i do stand by my statement that Castros revolution and our revolution cannot be compared as the same. My references to traitors is this.Those who would knowingly harm or change our system of government by circumventing the process in which it was meant to run by unlawful and or deceitful acts. I believe this is happenning right before our eyes and it is coming from within our own government. If you think im paranoid then i think your blind,or a enemy of my country. That is where i stand.
Originally Posted by SteveDave08
http:///forum/post/3194339
I don't see too many America-hating Americans. I see people who are in disagreement over what to do, how to do it, and how to pay for making America better. I do however, see people like you who call people that don't agree with him traitor and enemies of your nation. I don't think anyone on either side has done anything that deserves hot lead death, or any death for that matter.
I see alot of America hating Americans these are the George Soroses of this country who would love nothing more than to see capitalism fall on its face.And i go a step further and say some of these people reside inside the Obama Administration,and congress.
I dont think people who have different opinions than mine are traitors, I call those those who think the Constitution is out dated and should be abandoned traitors. We are a country of laws and if we arent going to follow them then maybe its time to start sorting out the law breakers.
Nov,2010 will be a good start.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3194514
You might want to re read his post. "change it thought unlawful means". He is correct in that aspect.
Bionicarm can re re re read it and he still would be a imbecile. Its a known fact.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3194510
Fishtaco STFU

join in but no drive bys please.
There is nothing about drive-bys in the Constitution.........sorry. I would join in, but with your calls for killing libs and telling people to STFU, I am starting to get a whiff of troll. Tell me Veni, ever spent any time actually serving your country or are you all talk?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3194514
You might want to re read his post. "change it thought unlawful means". He is correct in that aspect.
Therein lies the question. How do you "Change the Constitution by unlawful means"? If I'm not mistaken, the only way the Constitution can be modified is by Amendments. An Amendment may be proposed by a 2/3rds vote in each House of Congress and be ratified by 3/4ths of the state legislatures. So for Veni's little conspiracy to work, this 'group of traitors' would have to consist of pretty much 90% of the American people. Sure, a Democratic-led House and Senate could take care of the first part, but the last time I looked, the Democrats didn't hold 3/4th of the State Legislators in this country. And because this is a Democracy, I doubt ANY state would have the balls to ratify any change without first polling it's respective constituents. Even you would agree this would be a little far fetched.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3194537
Bionicarm can re re re read it and he still would be a imbecile. Its a known fact.
Veni, if your brain was made of gas, there wouldn't be enough to move a pi$$ ants motorcycle around the inside of a Cheerio.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3194441
Fishtaco (Patriot, taxpayer, former service member) and probably too liberal to survive Veni's dream of a purge to ensure party purity and I guess sadly survive is the correct word.

Murtha has 2 of the 3 too. And he's well...

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3194587
Murtha has 2 of the 3 too. And he's well...
Hey thanks for that, do you feel good about saying that about me? Don't worry, it was a pleasure to serve my country for you and even though I don't like it, I pay my taxes too. Another nice thing is I have never had a police record or taken a hand-out. I bet when you and Veni clear the country out of people like me who are not Christian and don't vote conservative it will be a much better and safer place. Guess what else, my grandfather was Canadian and a Native American, now you and Veni can really go McCarthy on me.LOL
Fishtaco

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3194572
Therein lies the question. How do you "Change the Constitution by unlawful means"? If I'm not mistaken, the only way the Constitution can be modified is by Amendments. An Amendment may be proposed by a 2/3rds vote in each House of Congress and be ratified by 3/4ths of the state legislatures. So for Veni's little conspiracy to work, this 'group of traitors' would have to consist of pretty much 90% of the American people. Sure, a Democratic-led House and Senate could take care of the first part, but the last time I looked, the Democrats didn't hold 3/4th of the State Legislators in this country. And because this is a Democracy, I doubt ANY state would have the balls to ratify any change without first polling it's respective constituents. Even you would agree this would be a little far fetched.

I think ol veni may have been a little wound up when he typed that but the meaning is pretty clear. People making laws that are contrary to the constitution could be considered traitors. I think Obama has done some dumb stuff but I would hardly consider him a traitor. John Murtha and Jim Mcdurmott on the other hand

I think talk of taking up arms is over the top, just like the crazies on the left calling for Bushes impeachment.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3194555
There is nothing about drive-bys in the Constitution.........sorry. I would join in, but with your calls for killing libs and telling people to STFU, I am starting to get a whiff of troll. Tell me Veni, ever spent any time actually serving your country or are you all talk?
SIR YES SIR! right now im in basic training SIR! Training to be a community organizer Sir! I would salute right now SIR but both of my hand are raiding the Taxpayers Pockets SIR!.......
If you want a pat on the back for announcing you served in the military then here is is your pat,Thanx hero but just so you know i think just bringing it up for no other reason the to say you have is ....well......... ill let you figure it out.
BTW i think with over 2500 posts i could maybe not be considered a troll unlike some around here with lets say 52 or 102 posts