Healthcare bill will pass the senate.

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3194577
Veni, if your brain was made of gas, there wouldn't be enough to move a pi$$ ants motorcycle around the inside of a Cheerio.
Now that was funny .
Now do me a favor and tell your sister i left $5 on her night stand ...ill be by later to get my change.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3194745
I think ol veni may have been a little wound up when he typed that but the meaning is pretty clear. People making laws that are contrary to the constitution could be considered traitors. I think Obama has done some dumb stuff but I would hardly consider him a traitor. John Murtha and Jim Mcdurmott on the other hand

I think talk of taking up arms is over the top, just like the crazies on the left calling for Bushes impeachment.
Yes Reef im a little wound up as you have noticed lol.
Im talking about circumventing the Constitution through loopholes ..czars...or just ignoring it completely bailouts,taking over car company's,taking over banks,health care............
I am well aware of the provisions to amend the constitution,we have talked of it a million times here.Some people here just dont pay attention.Like Bionicarm and his Progressive bullet points.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3194772
Yes Reef im a little wound up as you have noticed lol.
Im talking about circumventing the Constitution through loopholes ..czars...or just ignoring it completely bailouts,taking over car company's,taking over banks,health care............
I am well aware of the provisions to amend the constitution,we have talked of it a million times here.Some people here just dont pay attention.Like Bionicarm and his Progressive bullet points.
I pay attention all the time. I just ignore the inane comments from the SWF Village Idiot.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3194769
Now that was funny .
Now do me a favor and tell your sister i left $5 on her night stand ...ill be by later to get my change.
Already picked it up and left it on your mother's nightstand with her false teeth. Commend her for her abilities. I bet she could suck a bowling ball through a 50 foot hose.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3194772
Yes Reef im a little wound up as you have noticed lol.
Im talking about circumventing the Constitution through loopholes ..czars...or just ignoring it completely bailouts,taking over car company's,taking over banks,health care............
I am well aware of the provisions to amend the constitution,we have talked of it a million times here.Some people here just dont pay attention.Like Bionicarm and his Progressive bullet points.
Do you ever read updates about these issues in the media? Let's see... Every bank that received a 'bailout' has either completely repaid their portion back to the Government, WITH IINTEREST, or will do so by next year. GM and Chrysler have both announced that have PAID BACK the Federal Govt. what they were owed, so in essence the taxpayers no longer own those companies. Healthcare reform is still up in the air, but from what I'm reading, the public option has been squashed. I like the option of allowing individuals at 55 to join Medicaid if they prefer. Considering I've been paying into that system for almost 40 years, I'd like to get my piece of that pie before the money is all gone.
Bottom line Veni, you're a right wing radical that sounds like a REAL SCARY individual. I envision you getting arrested for one reason or another because you and your Tea Bagger buddies start some sort of ruckus or go waving your guns around in disagreement when the next elections occur. I bet you're isolated into a back room where you work because the rest of the employees don't want to listen to your ranting day in and day out about the news issues. I hope this country does start to lean to Socialism. Maybe it'll tick you 'righties' off so much, you'll either kill yourself or leave the country and move to Mexico.

 

[stevedave08]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3194804
Do you ever read updates about these issues in the media? Let's see... Every bank that received a 'bailout' has either completely repaid their portion back to the Government, WITH IINTEREST, or will do so by next year. GM and Chrysler have both announced that have PAID BACK the Federal Govt. what they were owed, so in essence the taxpayers no longer own those companies. Healthcare reform is still up in the air, but from what I'm reading, the public option has been squashed. I like the option of allowing individuals at 55 to join Medicaid if they prefer. Considering I've been paying into that system for almost 40 years, I'd like to get my piece of that pie before the money is all gone.
Bottom line Veni, you're a right wing radical that sounds like a REAL SCARY individual. I envision you getting arrested for one reason or another because you and your Tea Bagger buddies start some sort of ruckus or go waving your guns around in disagreement when the next elections occur. I bet you're isolated into a back room where you work because the rest of the employees don't want to listen to your ranting day in and day out about the news issues. I hope this country does start to lean to Socialism. Maybe it'll tick you 'righties' off so much, you'll either kill yourself or leave the country and move to Mexico.

He probably hates Mexicans too, though. It would be funny though. They'd be the minority in Mexico.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3194804
GM and Chrysler have both announced that have PAID BACK the Federal Govt. what they were owed, so in essence the taxpayers no longer own those companies.

Why must you lie?
http://autos.aol.com/article/chrysle...lout-repayment
On the banking industry...not all of the major banks are off the government trough, they may have paid back the tarp funds, but they are still receiving loans from the stimulus.
On the healthcare bill...if the public option is out....WHY DOES IT STILL COST THE SAME AMOUNT!?!?!?!?

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3194767
SIR YES SIR! right now im in basic training SIR! Training to be a community organizer Sir! I would salute right now SIR but both of my hand are raiding the Taxpayers Pockets SIR!.......
If you want a pat on the back for announcing you served in the military then here is is your pat,Thanx hero but just so you know i think just bringing it up for no other reason the to say you have is ....well......... ill let you figure it out.
BTW i think with over 2500 posts i could maybe not be considered a troll unlike some around here with lets say 52 or 102 posts
I'm bringing it up to make a point, okay actually a couple and I'm sure others have figured it out. You post pics that say next time you will be armed, say there is a storm coming and want to execute liberals, yet a super patriot like you was either too frail, too scared or too much of a momma's boy to actually serve your country in an honorable capacity. Trying to be an internet tough guy is just making you more laughable.
By far the funniest thing is you and your type are pretty much the mirror image of the far left you hate so much and you are just too blind to see it.
I rather enjoy reading the posts by some of the other conservatives here, but you Veni are like the little kid who just can't quite stretch or find a pair of boots tall enough that you can reach the mark in sane political discussion.
Fishtaco

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3194804
Do you ever read updates about these issues in the media? Let's see... Every bank that received a 'bailout' has either completely repaid their portion back to the Government, WITH IINTEREST, or will do so by next year. GM and Chrysler have both announced that have PAID BACK the Federal Govt. what they were owed, so in essence the taxpayers no longer own those companies. Healthcare reform is still up in the air, but from what I'm reading, the public option has been squashed. I like the option of allowing individuals at 55 to join Medicaid if they prefer. Considering I've been paying into that system for almost 40 years, I'd like to get my piece of that pie before the money is all gone.
Bottom line Veni, you're a right wing radical that sounds like a REAL SCARY individual. I envision you getting arrested for one reason or another because you and your Tea Bagger buddies start some sort of ruckus or go waving your guns around in disagreement when the next elections occur. I bet you're isolated into a back room where you work because the rest of the employees don't want to listen to your ranting day in and day out about the news issues. I hope this country does start to lean to Socialism. Maybe it'll tick you 'righties' off so much, you'll either kill yourself or leave the country and move to Mexico.

Don't know where you heard all the banks have or will pay everything back by next year and the Car companies have paid everything back but neither is accurate. The 10 largest banks are paying their part back but that money will be used to fund other troubled banks http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/bu...p.html?_r=2&hp
GM only plans on starting to pay back it's money in quarterly payments starting by the end of the year.
http://www.miamiherald.com/business/...y/1336144.html
Found nothing where Chrysler has came up with a plan yet, let alone paid anything. Only the announcement that they would be able to start repaying the bailout coming out of bankruptcy.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3194855
Don't know where you heard all the banks have or will pay everything back by next year and the Car companies have paid everything back but neither is accurate. The 10 largest banks are paying their part back but that money will be used to fund other troubled banks http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/bu...p.html?_r=2&hp
GM only plans on starting to pay back it's money in quarterly payments starting by the end of the year.
http://www.miamiherald.com/business/...y/1336144.html
Found nothing where Chrysler has came up with a plan yet, let alone paid anything. Only the announcement that they would be able to start repaying the bailout coming out of bankruptcy.
Whatever happened to buy American?
Fishtaco

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3194871
Whatever happened to buy American?
Fishtaco
I thought Cash for clunkers was a success....oh yeah, for the foreign guys...

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3194882
I thought Cash for clunkers was a success....oh yeah, for the foreign guys...
That should have been a buy American deal if it was done at all. I thought something smelled rotten when I saw them killing a perfectly good newer truck and then crushing it without recycling anything with of course a reporter in the background claiming what a success it was. I live in a small rural community that has been hammered by the economy and I bet there are a lot of people who would thought it was the best thing ever to get their hands on one of those "clunkers".
Fishtaco

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3194892
That should have been a buy American deal if it was done at all. I thought something smelled rotten when I saw them killing a perfectly good newer truck and then crushing it without recycling anything with of course a reporter in the background claiming what a success it was. I live in a small rural community that has been hammered by the economy and I bet there are a lot of people who would thought it was the best thing ever to get their hands on one of those "clunkers".
Fishtaco
Yeah but leaving those cars on the road would have eliminated the only (small) positive aspect of that program.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3194855
Don't know where you heard all the banks have or will pay everything back by next year and the Car companies have paid everything back but neither is accurate. The 10 largest banks are paying their part back but that money will be used to fund other troubled banks http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/10/bu...p.html?_r=2&hp
GM only plans on starting to pay back it's money in quarterly payments starting by the end of the year.
http://www.miamiherald.com/business/...y/1336144.html
Found nothing where Chrysler has came up with a plan yet, let alone paid anything. Only the announcement that they would be able to start repaying the bailout coming out of bankruptcy.
Your link on the banks is dated back in June. Here's an updated list.
http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/s...t/bankbailout/
The banks I was thinking about were the big ones like BofA and J.P. Morgan. Chrysler has paid back around $280 million of their loan.
The point I'm making is the stimulus package was not intended to be 'free money' for the banks and the automotive industry. It was always setup with the intention for these corporations to pay back the loans. Some have paid theirs back, some are starting to. If the loans wouldn't have occurred, a majority of these companies would have failed. In your true Capitalistic mind, that would be OK for you - cull out the herd and let the healthy ones survive. Unfortunately, allowing these major banks and automotive companies to fail, would have had a trickle down effect that would've surely put our economy into a Depression. Thousands more people than we have today would be unemployed, small businesses would fail left and right because none of the smaller banks would want to take the risk of providing loans, and some people would lose millions in investments and cash due to stock market drops, IRA, and Mutual Funds crashing. That's why the stimulus package was created. Based on what I've read, the taxpayers will actually gain more than they'll lose in the long run. The problem with the naysayers is they want immediate results. You want 12 month loan terms on several billion dollars. It's OK for you to get a 30 year

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to buy your house, but it's not OK for a major company to do the same.

 

[fishtaco]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3194907
Yeah but leaving those cars on the road would have eliminated the only (small) positive aspect of that program.
That gets into the whole deal of how much gas those clunkers are going to use versus how much energy it took to manufacture the new vehicle though. I had to point that out to someone giving me flack about my old truck, being a 1973 and only having 137,000 miles it can't have used much more gas than the energy used to produce a new vehicle every 5 years or however often it is that people buy a new vehicle especially if you figure the gas that vehicle is also using during the time my truck has been around.
Fishtaco

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3194989
Your link on the banks is dated back in June. Here's an updated list.
http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/s...t/bankbailout/
The banks I was thinking about were the big ones like BofA and J.P. Morgan. Chrysler has paid back around $280 million of their loan.
The point I'm making is the stimulus package was not intended to be 'free money' for the banks and the automotive industry. It was always setup with the intention for these corporations to pay back the loans. Some have paid theirs back, some are starting to. If the loans wouldn't have occurred, a majority of these companies would have failed. In your true Capitalistic mind, that would be OK for you - cull out the herd and let the healthy ones survive. Unfortunately, allowing these major banks and automotive companies to fail, would have had a trickle down effect that would've surely put our economy into a Depression. Thousands more people than we have today would be unemployed, small businesses would fail left and right because none of the smaller banks would want to take the risk of providing loans, and some people would lose millions in investments and cash due to stock market drops, IRA, and Mutual Funds crashing. That's why the stimulus package was created. Based on what I've read, the taxpayers will actually gain more than they'll lose in the long run. The problem with the naysayers is they want immediate results. You want 12 month loan terms on several billion dollars. It's OK for you to get a 30 year

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to buy your house, but it's not OK for a major company to do the same.
You said chrysler AND GM have paid off their loans...now you are backpedalling as you were called out.
You stated the major banking firms have paid off their loans, when it is fact they are still receiving money from the stimulus plan outside of the tarp fund....
The banks were supposed to go back to loaning, yet I know several people with excellent credit that can't get a loan to help shore up their small business.....through this economy. The banks aren't loaning crap as they are sitting on assets in housing that aren't worth what they used to be.
You said the taxpayer will gain more when this is paid back? Is uncle sam going to float me some money then or lower my taxes since they are making money off my money in the first place?

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3194992
You said chrysler AND GM have paid off their loans...now you are backpedalling as you were called out.
You stated the major banking firms have paid off their loans, when it is fact they are still receiving money from the stimulus plan outside of the tarp fund....
The banks were supposed to go back to loaning, yet I know several people with excellent credit that can't get a loan to help shore up their small business.....through this economy. The banks aren't loaning crap as they are sitting on assets in housing that aren't worth what they used to be.
You said the taxpayer will gain more when this is paid back? Is uncle sam going to float me some money then or lower my taxes since they are making money off my money in the first place?
I went by what I read in the newspaper. I don't sit around all day monitoring what the TARP Funds and bailouts are doing like some people on this forum apparently do. The banks are being very cautious right now because they don't want to fall into the same trap that got them into the bailout position in the first place. Isn't that what everyone was complaining about? Banks handing out loans to whoever asked for them, regardless of their credit history or financial stability? Just because you have 'excellent credit' doesn't mean you automatically deserve a loan. I've got a credit score of 791. If I wanted to open a small business with a product that may be unproven, or have an existing product that's showing that it will not have profitable sales, should I still be able to get a loan? Just like homes, banks don't want to sit on assets that some small business bought and couldn't sell.
Not sure if Obama will give tax incentives or rebates because of the profits made from the loan paybacks or not. Probably will depend on how long it'll take for the funds to be repaid.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3195009
I went by what I read in the newspaper.
The newspapers stated GM and Chrysler have repaid their debt?

 

[reefraff]

According to the times anyway, what money has been paid back is being given out to other banks and there is no guarantee it will be paid back.
GM plans to start paying back a billion per quarter. As far as I know they haven't made that first payment yet
As far as Chrysler got link? According to this they crawfished and aren't paying anything back
http://money.cnn.com/2009/05/05/news...oans/index.htm

 

[bionicarm]

This link shows Chrysler Automotive has paid back $260 million. I think my miss was I saw Chrysler in the paper, but it may have been Chrysler Financial, which by this chart, shows they've paid back all their money...
http://money.cnn.com/news/storysuppl...ailouttracker/