Healthcare town hall

reefraff

Active Member
What a crock of crap!!!
Anyone else watching?
Obama calls on a school girl who was obviously reading her question which was "on the way in here we saw people with signs saying bad things about health care reform" Blah blah blah. Not pre screened my wide white one.

A town hall isn't a person asking a question that was OBVIOUSLY written for them to lead the speaker (Obama) into a 5 minute speech rather than answering the question
Are people really this stupid?
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3108688
What a crock of crap!!!
Anyone else watching?
Obama calls on a school girl who was obviously reading her question which was "on the way in here we saw people with signs saying bad things about health care reform" Blah blah blah. Not pre screened my wide white one.

A town hall isn't a person asking a question that was OBVIOUSLY written for them to lead the speaker (Obama) into a 5 minute speech rather than answering the question
Are people really this stupid?
He wouldn't be holding yet ANOTHER townhall meeting on the subject if the morons carrying the signs would shut their mouths and actually LISTEN to what they are trying to explain to them. Guess tonight's Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh shows will be yet another attempt to pull one and two line snipets out of the speech and skew them to make Obame sound like the evil Socialist dicatator that he is.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108712
He wouldn't be holding yet ANOTHER townhall meeting on the subject if the morons carrying the signs would shut their mouths and actually LISTEN to what they are trying to explain to them. Guess tonight's Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh shows will be yet another attempt to pull one and two line snipets out of the speech and skew them to make Obame sound like the evil Socialist dicatator that he is.


. So which air america personality do you listen to. Just so I know so I can point out the "extreme" things they are saying about the protesters and the subject....oh wait, you only listen to Obama....the guy not writing the bill.
 

tank a holic

Active Member
its funny you think we should respect your opinion......
but your opinion is that poeple expressing their opinion against obama bin laden's health plan should shut up and stop whining????
ummmm good stance
 

fishtaco

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Saw on the news last night that one of the CEO's for a major health company makes 150K..........an hour! Meanwhile being retired, yet too young for Medicare I am paying around 300 dollars a month and the first 7500.00 in health costs is on me. Some form of regulation that makes sense is needed to keep costs under control. I don't think it needs to be rushed and should be something everyone can live with, but something needs to change. As far as the Healther's at the town hall meetings, I get this strange feeling that even if the health bill was perfect, they would still be protesting. Those of us who are moderates are not amused by the antics of the far left or right.
Fishtaco (sorry my regular politics forum is down today)
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3108777
Saw on the news last night that one of the CEO's for a major health company makes 150K..........an hour! Meanwhile being retired, yet too young for Medicare I am paying around 300 dollars a month and the first 7500.00 in health costs is on me. Some form of regulation that makes sense is needed to keep costs under control. I don't think it needs to be rushed and should be something everyone can live with, but something needs to change. As far as the Healther's at the town hall meetings, I get this strange feeling that even if the health bill was perfect, they would still be protesting. Those of us who are moderates are not amused by the antics of the far left or right.
Fishtaco (sorry my regular politics forum is down today)
I think the government not having a controlling stake in my healthcare is something most people can agree on...
 

fishtaco

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Then everyone who is against any kind of health care reform should to avoid the illusion of hypocrisy turn down Medicare when they qualify for it. The same goes for anyone who is against any kind of reform and is currently receiving it. I am not looking for free health care either BTW, but when exactly do you think the insurance industry is going to stop raising premiums with CEO's that are making that much money?
Fishtaco
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108712
He wouldn't be holding yet ANOTHER townhall meeting on the subject if the morons carrying the signs would shut their mouths and actually LISTEN to what they are trying to explain to them. Guess tonight's Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh shows will be yet another attempt to pull one and two line snipets out of the speech and skew them to make Obame sound like the evil Socialist dicatator that he is.

Maybe if the morons who are blindly following Obama would bother to actually ready the bills being pushed in congress they join in.
 

spanko

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The administration keeps pounding that there are roughly 50 million Americans without healthcare.
Some number of those they are counting are illegals.
Some number of those they are counting are people that don't want it because they can pay cash or are covered by a spouses plan.
Some number of those can be covered by medicare or medicaid whichever one it is, can never keep those two straight.
That leaves about 20 million or so that need some kind of coverage.
I say fix that if you want to do something and leave the rest of the 260 some million Americans that are happy with there helath care insurance alone.
Downgrade the program to help those that need it. Then maybe we can get both republicans and democrats together on some course of action.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3108792
Then everyone who is against any kind of health care reform should to avoid the illusion of hypocrisy turn down Medicare when they qualify for it. The same goes for anyone who is against any kind of reform and is currently receiving it. I am not looking for free health care either BTW, but when exactly do you think the insurance industry is going to stop raising premiums with CEO's that are making that much money?
Fishtaco
The government doesn't have the right to choose who makes what. There was an interesting proposal back during the Clinton time in the white house. The Democrats proposed limiting the amount of salary a company could write off for a CEO. I believe it was a million. The Republicans said great, lest apply it to sports stars, entertainment figures etc. Soon after the bill died. I like that idea. I'd say 10 million in bonuses, salary etc. would be more realistic but lets do it.
The same lie about insurance company profits are being passed as was about the oil companies. You gotta look at what they make over a period of time. State Farm might look like they are raking in the dough but one nasty hurricane season or bad storm system changes that in a hurry.
 

ironeagle2006

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Best way to Reign in Healthcare Costs would be LIMIT MALPRACTICE FISHING ATTYS. Think about it how many ads do you see were you see if you took this med or this one call this law firm we will get you CASH NOW. Yes their are bad Docs out there however 90-95% of them are excellant when it comes to taking care of their patients. Yes I have had my share of AHoles as docs however they all did their job and saved my freaking life at the time. You have an atty that thinks that going after a Drug company because some idiot mixed an antidrepessant with beer and then blew his brains out beacuse his wife left him and the ATTY thinks the Drug company should pay.
I have 3 attys that want me to go after one of my old drug makers now because it made me go as Eplileptics call it Keprage. I was told that one of 1000 could do that I was that 1 person yet some AHOLE thinks he can win MILLIONS of bucks for a drug that to this day has made MILLIONS OF EPILEPTICS SEIZURE FREE. Sorry I refuse to answer anything I get from them.
 

reefraff

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By the way fishco, Have you heard anyone say we dont need some kind of reform? Hannity, Rush and Beck who are the liberal media's axis of evil all agree there needs to be a change. I personally haven't seen or heard of anyone that matters who thinks the system is fine as is.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3108809
By the way fishco, Have you heard anyone say we dont need some kind of reform? Hannity, Rush and Beck who are the liberal media's axis of evil all agree there needs to be a change. I personally haven't seen or heard of anyone that matters who thinks the system is fine as is.
Rush? Please. He's the one I saw on the interview saying that if you can't pay cash for your halthcare, you have no business getting treated. Get sick and can't afford it? Tough. And the geriatrics are complaining about euthinasia and 'death rules'.
 

bionicarm

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He told his audience reassuringly, "For all the chatter and the yelling and the shouting and the noise, what you need to know is this ... if you do have health insurance, we will make sure that no insurance company or government bureaucrat gets between you and the care you need."
Retooling his message amid sliding support, he addressed some of his remarks to a vital and skeptical audience: the tens of millions of people who already have health insurance and are generally satisfied with the care they get.
He said the overhaul is essential to them, too, contending it is the way to keep control in their hands. Obama said while government bureaucrats should not meddle with people's care, bureaucrats at insurance companies should not, either.
The president accused critics of creating "boogeymen."
"Spread the facts. Let's get this done," Obama implored the crowd
He reiterated his determination that the plan be paid for without adding to the nation's soaring deficit.
He singled out the charge that the Democratic health care legislation would create "death panels" to deny care to frail seniors. Former Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin has said the Democrats' legislation includes "death panels" that could deny care.
Obama declared that a provision that he said had caused the uproar would only authorize Medicare to pay doctors for counseling patients about end-of-life care, living wills, hospice care and other issues, if the patients wanted it. It would not "basically pull the plug on grandma because we decided that it's too expensive to let her live anymore," as Obama put it.
Obama sought to dispel talk that his ultimate goal is a single-payer federal health care system, like that in countries such as Canada.
In 1996, when he was running for the state Senate in Illinois, he was asked on a questionnaire whether he supported a single-payer health plan. The response was, "Yes in principle." During Tuesday's town hall, he said, in answer to a question from a self-described Republican, that he doesn't believe such a system would be workable for the United States. "For us to transition to a system like that I think would be too disruptive," Obama said.
He also disputed the notion that adding a government-run insurance plan into a menu of options from which people could pick would drive private insurers out of business, in effect making the system single-payer by default.
As long as they have a good product and the government plan has to sustain itself through premiums and other non-tax revenue, private insurers should be able to compete with the government plan, Obama said.
"They do it all the time," he said. "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. ... It's the Post Office that's always having problems."
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3108815
Rush? Please. He's the one I saw on the interview saying that if you can't pay cash for your halthcare, you have no business getting treated. Get sick and can't afford it? Tough. And the geriatrics are complaining about euthinasia and 'death rules'.

If you listen to what Limbaugh actually says about this instead of a snipet you would realize that isn't what he is proposing. His idea is to allow catastrophic insurance coverage and then people could place the rest of the money they would be spending on the higher full coverage premiums in an HSA so they would have the funds to pay for routine care. Not sure I think it's a good idea but it is an interesting idea.
 

fishtaco

Active Member
Well, those people at the town halls seem pretty sure they don't want any kind of health care change, although my guess is if those far-right conservatives had to pull the cold hard cash from their quivering little wallets every month like I do they might rethink their positions. So far I have not seen anyone except the GOP plants at the one town hall meeting who looked like they could afford their own insurance either. Most look old enough to be on Medicare which is why I question the motive for some of these people......
I just wish EVERYONE in D.C. would get their act together and come up with something for the good of our citizens. As far as Rush, Hannity and Beck, I think people should stop listening to T.V. personalites looking for ratings to form an opinion on something this important and watching your tank is a much better use of your time. LOL
So am I the only one here who is on their own for health care?
Fishtaco
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3108753
. So which air america personality do you listen to. Just so I know so I can point out the "extreme" things they are saying about the protesters and the subject....oh wait, you only listen to Obama....the guy not writing the bill.
Maybe if YOU listened to Obama, instead of Hannity and Limbaugh, you may actually understand what he'd like to see in the bill.
 

reefraff

Active Member
You can't have a government option and at the same time expect private insurance companies to survive, can't be done period. It has got to be all or nothing.
If they first enact tort reform and a flat tax where people with five or six kids pay the same amount of taxes (or more) than someone with one kid then sign me up, I'll give it a try.
 
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