Hefner's 180 Thread

hefner413

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thanks iyachtuxivm.... hey - you're due for some updates on your thread too!
Eels are doing awesome. They both have become quite friendly - mostly at feeding time. Yesterday they were both sitting there like begging dogs waiting on food. I only hand feed them now - and they eat quiiiite a bit. My zebra has never "fasted" like many zebras do and my SFE is growing like a weed. I'll have to try to get some more video at next feeding if they are as active as they were last night.
 
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gtdarock

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WOW, love the pics Hef ! The colors are amazing. Keep up the good work, I'll definitely gather some tips from you, when I'm ready
 

leopard_babe

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I see you decided on the v. lion. good choice. I love the knobby star. Let me know how that goes. I was considering one of those. Your fish are beautiful!! Nice picks!
 
ooo man its not that reef are better or pred are better the real thing is how many different tanks can u have.
ideal is 5 tank:
tank 1 - a reef tank at least 90g corner or 100g wavy tank
tak 2 - a pred tank at least 180g - 200g
tank 3 - individual tank at least 55g - 70g - ( hawaiian dragon moray eel or peacock mantis shrimp or garden eel or sea horses and pipefish orstar gazer or octopus)
tank 4 - fish only tank-
tank 5 - anohter individual tank
it would be great if anybody can have 3 tanks a reef, pred tank, and an individual tank. but more maint. and money so its hard to find that
mucho dinero
 

hefner413

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hey peeps... haven't been on in a while - my computer decided to crash entirely...
anyway - I need help asap.
Everything was going great with the new fish until today.
The queen started scratching on the rocks. She's eating fine, etc... but scratching. I took a close look. I couldn't see anywhere on here what was wrong. The only thing I found was a verrrry small white spot on the left eye that is somewhat cloudy. I figured that it's a simple bacterial infection and went to the LFS to get an antibiotic. My LFS recommended using the Maracyn TC (Tetracycline) rather than Maracyn or Maracyn II. What do you all think?
Side note: funny thing is... the queen keeps swimming up to the Emperor and lays flat. The Emperor then starts nipping on the side of the queen and the queen holds real still. Seems like he's scratching her back??? They keep doing this over and over...
Anyway... help? Should I start antibiotics, if so which one? Or is garlic enough???
 

hefner413

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Also, they recommended adding 1 pack of maracyn tc to 8oz of mixed food - freezing it and giving it during feeds (instead of adding directly to the water). Is this a common treatment?
 

kjr_trig

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Hey Hef....I'm no expert, but learning more about my 3 angels on a daily basis....Have you already treated with Prazi-pro? My Emperor had a cloudy eye, I sent the pic to Mark Martin (owner of Blue Zoo), and CCampbell, both agreed it was flukes. I treated the DT with Praz, and no issues, first I did a fresh water bath and could see the flukes peeling off his eye (eye unclouded immediately), then did the Praz 2 days later when it arrived. He is doing great now other than the Asfur occasionally bugging him....Angels and Butterflys are very prone to flukes and almost no wholesalers treat for them....Campbell lost one of his Bandits to flukes.....I think we both agree that we will always treat any future Angel in QT for flukes.
Sounds like that may be what you are looking at.
 

hefner413

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hey kjr. I remember your situation now. I haven't tried anything (other than already using vitamins). Could you email me a pic? hefnerd@wvuh.com I could try to take a pic of mine, but the spot is so small right now, I doubt I'll be able to get it.
Also, was your's scratching on the rocks?
And I wonder if the emperor is eating off flukes?..
And btw - I searched some more and Beth said in another thread that Tetracycline was not as effective in SW. So I'll be returning the maracyn tc tomorrow... If it is a bacterial infection... which would you all use? Maracyn or maracyn 2? From my understanding, one covers gram negatives and the other gram positives...
 

hefner413

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well... to update: I've fed garlic and zoe and vitachem with the food. The areas have become somewhat worse on the queen - she has been scratching a bit. The eye still has just a small area on the inferior aspect of the eye. I think that it is where it has scratched it. The left fin has become quite tattered looking too. Also, the emperor now has a small swollen area on his dorsal fin. They are both eating well still, but it seems as though the queen isn't as efficient at getting to the food - like she possibly isn't seeing as well? Anyway, I'm going to try to attach some pics.
Note the L eye and the L fin on the queen. I know it probably doesn't look as bad as it sounds, but she sure is acting like it is driving her crazy.
And the spot on the emperor in the second pic. Doesn't seem to be bothering him yet - no scratching.

 

kjr_trig

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I don't like the looks of the queen....Hopefully you got my email. I agree with AK, just do a 3-5 min FW dip and see what happens, that sure looks like the same eye my Emperor had with the flukes and if you saw my email Mark says the FW dip will reduce the discomfort almost immediately, once mine recovered from the stress of the dip, he was better.
If you do the dip, try to make sure the PH and temp are consistent with the tank...Error on the high side for PH, low side for temp.
How is their breathing? Are they getting enough flow/oxygen in the QT?....All your reading still normal in there?
 

hefner413

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2788306
I don't like the looks of the queen....Hopefully you got my email. I agree with AK, just do a 3-5 min FW dip and see what happens, that sure looks like the same eye my Emperor had with the flukes and if you saw my email Mark says the FW dip will reduce the discomfort almost immediately, once mine recovered from the stress of the dip, he was better.
If you do the dip, try to make sure the PH and temp are consistent with the tank...Error on the high side for PH, low side for temp.
How is their breathing? Are they getting enough flow/oxygen in the QT?....All your reading still normal in there?
hey kirk, yup - got your email. I saw the pics and wasn't sure if the presentation was similar. so was your fish's eye immediately white or did it start in a corner like mine? And did it have the tattered fins? I just thought it might be more of a bacterial infection b/c it seems more disseminated than localized to the eye.
regarding behavior - they seem to both be breathing fine and there is plenty of flow/02. I have a skimmer and a ph on the tank along with the filter, so should be fine.
But if you think this is a similar presentation, then I will proceed with a FW dip. I've never done this before though. Do you have a resource / link for a detailed instruction on how to do it? I've heard that it can be quite stressful on the fish and want to do it right.
Thanks,
Dave
 

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by Hefner413
http:///forum/post/2788342
hey kirk, yup - got your email. I saw the pics and wasn't sure if the presentation was similar. so was your fish's eye immediately white or did it start in a corner like mine? And did it have the tattered fins? I just thought it might be more of a bacterial infection b/c it seems more disseminated than localized to the eye.
But if you think this is a similar presentation, then I will proceed with a FW dip. I've never done this before though. Do you have a resource / link for a detailed instruction on how to do it? I've heard that it can be quite stressful on the fish and want to do it right.
Thanks,
Dave
That last pic plus the tattered fin makes it look more viral, though I still believe that is a fluke on the eye. I would wait for someone else to chime in AK or maybe Sepulatian or Beth....I also sent you a PM.
 

hefner413

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yup - got it - replied. I also started a thread on the disease side and got sep's attention. I just added a link on that thread to direct the attention to this thread since I just added pics. Hopefully will get some more imput. In the meantime - hopefully the extra garlic/vitamins will help. Think it will be ok to give it til tomorrow to do the FW dip? I'm just a bit worried about causing more stress if it is bacterial/viral instead of parasitic. Thanks a ton for all you help!
 
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rcreations

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It could be a number of things. I found out on another forum that juvi angels when they are small, they pick parasites off the other fish. So your emperor picking at the queen, this is probably what it is. But you say you don't see any ich spots? Ich causes cloudy eye too. My lion had cloudy eye. It started like your queen where it was just one tiny spot, then it got worst until it could barely see. So I put it in a QT and did hypo and that fixed it. A fresh water dip should improve the condition for sure. If it does, I would hypo them.
When/if you do the freshwater dip, make sure to have the fresh water at the same temp and pH as your tank water.
 

hefner413

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no, definitely no ich spots. this is pretty different than anything I've seen. Being that I've seen/treated ich and have also seen bacterial/fungal - this seems quite different. So I'm starting to agree with you all that it seems parasitic and I'm going to do a FW dip. Just got to do a little reading about this first...
 

ccampbell57

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Heff - it looks like your queen definitely has flukes. You need to get Prazi pro in there now. You can do a FW dip, but I would highly suggest against it if you have never done one before.
Make sure to dose the Prazi at 3/4 first and then the next day add the rest.
I would also start feeding garlic, selcon, and Vitachem to the fish so that their ammune systems are increased.
 
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