Hefner's 180 Thread

[hefner413]

hey campbell. yeah - I've called everywhere to fine prazipro. Nobody has any. The closest thing I've found was a lfs has a "general fix" which contains 250 mg of metronidazole and 75mg of prazi. I'm not sure about this? I just got off the phone from ordering prazipro and I went ahead and got maracyn and maracyn II. It will be here Monday. I'm not sure if I have a choice though - will that be too late?
And about the FW dip - I'm making ro/di water now. I have a spare 5 gallon tank, heater, and airstone. I have "pH 8.2" powder. I'm not sure - no, I've never done one... is this a disaster waiting to happen or should I go ahead with the dip?
Regarding the supplements, I'm doing garlic, zoe, and vitachem.
The spot on the eye has not grown in size at all. Overall, she looks well except she just seems "itchy" - scratching and keeps going up to the emperor for cleaning.

 

[hefner413]

so you guys think I ought to go ahead and get the "general cure" rx and treat now? or should I do the FW dip, continue supplementation and wait until Monday for the other rx to show up?..

 

[sepulatian]

Is the Emperor picking at the Queen? That looks like a fluke on her eye. That would come off with a FW dip. As mentioned, be sure that the PH and temp match the display. Stay with the fish during the dip. If she seems to be under a great deal of stress then pull her out. Dip for three to five minutes. It is normal for the fish to become disoriented and even lay on her side when you first put her into the dip but she should right herself within a minute.

 

[hefner413]

also, as you know, the queen is in the QT with the emperor and lion. if I do a FW dip to get flukes off - should the emperor and lion be dipped too? I would assume not - at least not yet - since they are not in any type of distress?

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by Hefner413
http:///forum/post/2788751
And about the FW dip - I'm making ro/di water now. I have a spare 5 gallon tank, heater, and airstone. I have "pH 8.2" powder. I'm not sure - no, I've never done one... is this a disaster waiting to happen or should I go ahead with the dip?
Definitely go ahead with the dip. The cloudy eye and tattered fins are almost a sure fire sign of flukes. Setup the tank/heater/airstone and a small power head too if you have an extra. Add the pH buffer and let that run for a couple hours. Measure pH and temp, then do the dip (follow Sep's advice here).
The FW dip is for immediate relieve, no need for the Emp. or Lion, the Prazi will get them once you add it.

 

[kjr_trig]

Like AK said, the dip will just give immidiate relief, you still need to dose the Prazi-Pro to get rid of all the flukes. FW dip is a bit stressful for owner and fish, like Sep said, stay with the fish the whole time, I would try for at least 3 mins and not go over 5.
Based on my reading I would not try something other than Praz, I have never heard of anyone saying something bad about it.
Thanks Shawn, I didn't know tattered fins were a sign of flukes

 

[hefner413]

thanks all. sure is nice to have such a great source of help. If it wasn't for you all, I'd be asking my lfs owner all my q's. And all my fish would be likely dead.
Well... the dip tank is full of ro/di. I've added the heater/airstone/ph and buffer. Now I'm going to wait a little while and retest.. then dip!
thanks again

 

[hefner413]

well... dip done! those five minutes took absolutely forever!
It was a little tough to catch her, but once caught and in the dip - she did quite well. She swam around - a bit stressed - pecking at the walls, etc. but she didn't do the lay down flat / play dead move. now back in the QT - she is a little stressed, but is swimming around ok.
before the dip, I was glad to see that she was doing a little better - ate very well tonight. still scratching and had the emperor cleaning, but seemed a little better.
SO - is there any way to confirm that it was flukes? Should that white spot on her eye have disappeared immediately (b/c it's still there). should she stop scratching pretty much immediately (hasn't started that yet, but has only been in the qt for about 10 min).
And is there anything else that I should do now other than wait until the praxipro gets here Mon?

 

[rcreations]

A good diet for sure. I don't think I can post a link here, but do a search on WetWebMedia for Queen Angels. They have a very good article about their needs, what you should feed them and so on.

 

[hefner413]

wow. that was a great article. thanks --.
I also noted at the end "The usual precautions of freshwater dipping with or without admixtures and quarantine are recommended."
Regarding the diet - I have a good bit of the preferred diet. My mix contains a blend of squid, shrimp, mysis, scallops. Then I also added Formula one and two. and lastly nori. Both angels are eating this very well.
I did note that the article mentioned that 50% of their diet needs to be the nori, so I need to increase this.

 

[rcreations]

Yeah, I noticed mine eats as much nori as my tangs, plus she loves sponges. I had one growing on a rock and she completely ate that one in a few months. Now I bought her another one.

 

[beth]

This

Looks like this:
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127010/diseased-fish-pictures#post_1027985
With, also, the beginning of lymphocyctis at the dorsal fin.
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/127010/diseased-fish-pictures#post_915073
Additionally, the ragged and eroding fins of the queen, says similar problems as you see with the emperor....inadequate diet and/or environment.
The eye I can't tell enough from the picture to really tell if it is a fluke. Have you used a magnifying glass to get a close up view of it?

 

[hefner413]

hey beth - glad to hear from you. your input always carries a lot of weight.
I was wondering if lympho was what was going on with the emperor. also, of note - the dorsal fin is the only spot that seems to be a problem that I can tell. the slight white spots on the emperor toward the upper middle are actually water stains in the glass rather than on the emperor.
anyway - regarding diet - they were eating as well at first.. they were eating, but not much. Now they seem to be eating adequate amounts and with the supplementation, hopefully I will correct any diet issues.
regarding environment, a 55 gal QT with only a few hiding places isn't a great home - so that might definitely be an issue. Not sure if I can change much with it though. My levels are all 0 and have been stable.
I haven't tried looking with a magnifying glass... if I could borrow one, that would be a good idea.
any other rec's on what to do? thanks.

 

[beth]

I can tell you without hesitation that that size tank is not adequate for these angels....and especially so with 2 angels together. How many other fish do you have in there now, and what are your water readings? What and how often are you feeding your fish?
Try getting these juveniles in shape while they are young, but also start looking for another home for them. You may keep 1 dwarf angel in this size tank that is sparse with other fish, but not these species.

 

[hefner413]

not sure if we're on the same page. there are 3 fish (2 angels & 1 3" lion) in the 55 - it is my QT for my 180 aggressive.
my levels no2,no3,nh3=0. ph 8.3. sg 1.025.
I was feeding formula one/two every other day & the other days - my fresh frozen seafood blend and a clip of nori.
Now that I'm trying to get as much vitamins/garlic to them - I'm feeding less amounts, but more often - nori in the AM and some pellets and a small amount of seafood in PM.

 

[rcreations]

It's important to feed juvi queen angels 2 - 3 times a day. What I usually do and is feed the angel butterfly formula in the morning and the tang formula in the evening. Sometimes I mix other stuff too, like mysis, plankton, spirulina brine, forumla 1. But I feed small amounts, whatever my fish can eat in a minute or so. Then I also feed algae clips twice a day. I go through about 1 entire nori sheet a day but I also have 2 tangs and a foxface, all big algae eaters. Then once every few days I feed my trigger and puffer some more meaty stuff by hand. That way they eat what I give them and there is no waste going to the bottom of the tank.

 

[hefner413]

what's the angel / butterfly formula? I've heard of this before and searched for it, but not sure exactly what I'm looking for. brand, etc?

 

[sepulatian]

Ocean Nutrition makes a frozen Angel food. Pick up a magnifying glass and tell us what that is on the Angel's eye. Look closely at it and post a detailed description.
Skip the pellets for now. Make every meal nutritious and loaded with vitamins. You can go back to the pellets when all is good with your fish.

 

[rcreations]

Yes, it's Ocean Nutrition. They make a bunch of really good frozen formulas that I use: Angel formula, Tang formula, squid, plankton, mussels.

 

[beth]

Originally Posted by Hefner413
http:///forum/post/2790724
not sure if we're on the same page. there are 3 fish (2 angels & 1 3" lion) in the 55 - it is my QT for my 180 aggressive.
Ok, I see. Still thinking that the environment itself is the culprit. Perhaps even just the size. Two angels a lion together in a smaller tank. Have you seen ich? You mentioned scratching?