Hillary Clinton

crimzy

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Just wanted to see what people think about Hillary Clinton and her views. I think she is a very bright woman and like some of her ideas. Here's some of the things I know about her...
THE WAR

She is in favor of reducing our troops in Iraq and bringing an end to this war. While a lot of people here disagree with this position, it is an absolute necessity for anyone I'd consider voting for.
I've read some people criticizing her for back-tracking after originally supporting the decision to go to war in Iraq. However I'm not sure this is really a flaw. There may be different reasons for her change of viewpoint. (1) She may have simply changed her mind. While this may appear to be waffling, I'd rather have someone who is open enough to realize and correct an error than a president who is so stubborn that they will stick with an incorrect course of action, suffering massive losses for their stubborness. (2) She may believe that we accomplished our objective already. Many people thought we should go to war to remove Saddam from power and to eliminate the possibility of a nuclear program in Iraq. These goals were accomplished early on in the war and, if she believed that this was the intended goal, then there really is no inconsistency.
HEALTH CARE

Hillary's got a wild plan for health care but I'm not sure if it would be cost feasible. She has a plan that would provide government subsidized health care options to people, similar to the health care received by people in Congress. Her proposal would essentially require everyone to maintain health insurance, at a reduced rate. It would also require employers to offer coverage to their employees. Her plan would also require the insurance companies to accept anybody, regardless of health.
This would be an expensive proposal. She expects to fund this program by eliminating the tax cut that Bush gave to the wealthy, which would provide about 52 billion dollars, and also clean up the fraud and waste spent, that she estimates to be approximately 77 billion dollars. The latter estimate seems pretty speculative and, if she's wrong about the numbers then this would likely create quite a deficit.
HILLARY THE WIFE

I personally think that it would be a benefit to have Bill back in the whitehouse, albeit not as president. His experience can help Hillary do the job. I also think that her dealing with his scandal did show some loyalty and class. She handled a tough matter better than most could have.
What does everyone else think?
 

jovial

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No friggin way. I dont care how bright she is, she's as crooked as they come. Id rather elect Fidel Castro.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by Jovial
No friggin way. I dont care how bright she is, she's as crooked as they come. Id rather elect Fidel Castro.
I would second that.
 

tangman99

Active Member
Not No, but Hell No! No way I'm voting for HITLERy. I agree she is crooked. Not that any else isn't, but she is crooked to a whole different level.
 

crimzy

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Just out of curiosity, what makes you guys think she's so crooked? What information do you have knowledge of? Or is this just classic Republican mud-slinging? Is this fact or rhetoric?
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
Just out of curiosity, what makes you guys think she's so crooked? What information do you have knowledge of? Or is this just classic Republican mud-slinging? Is this fact or rhetoric?
For one she is a politician(Fact)
 

crimzy

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Wow, 3 people publicly proclaim that she is crooked yet no one has any real information to back up that allegation. This is the problem with the American voter... uninformed. If she truly is crooked then I'd like to know how.
 

veni vidi vici

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crimzy,i think a quick google search could reveal multitudes of allegation's.Some may be true and others not.But the fact that there is so many negative allegations against her should make most Dems look elsewhere for a candidate to run for President.
 

crimzy

Active Member
Originally Posted by ruaround
prove she isnt crimz...

How do you prove that she isn't corrupt???
Me: I swear ru, I've never killed anyone.
You: Prove it.
Me: But I haven't.
 

ruaround

Active Member
Originally Posted by crimzy
How do you prove that she isn't corrupt???
Me: I swear ru, I've never killed anyone.
You: Prove it.
Me: But I haven't.

lol... so whats the point of asking to prove she is... right now thats opinion... there isnt any proof either way... i personally cant stand her, and would NEVER vote for her...
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member

Originally Posted by crimzy
HILLARY THE WIFE

I personally think that it would be a benefit to have Bill back in the whitehouse, albeit not as president. His experience can help Hillary do the job. I also think that her dealing with his scandal did show some loyalty and class. She handled a tough matter better than most could have.
Plus it would give the Clinton's the chance to steal all the things they missed the first time.LMAO
 

socal57che

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Crooked or not, I don't trust her. Would rather stare at the sun through binoculars than see her in the white house. (that goes double for slick willie)
 

jovial

Member
Slick Willy

Well lets see...besides the fact that she opposes almost everything I believe in...I think thats a good reason.
Im pro life, she inst. I like guns, she doesn't, I believe in a strong military, she doesn't, I believe in smaller government and fewer taxes, she doesn't...etc
Id rather drink gas and *iss on a fire than see her elected.
 

mfp1016

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Plus, no offense, but you, crimzy, are obviously a supporter of Hilary. The statements you made will inherently be victim to some level of embellishment; that said, why would you present your opinion and then ask people to discuss her based off your ideas about her and her politics, for all I know you misrepresented her to an extent that even she wouldn't condone. Personally, I'll be voting for Wikipedia, how much more democratic do you want? Then! People will realize the benefits of small government coupled with a laissez faire business environment.
 

scsinet

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Originally Posted by crimzy
I've read some people criticizing her for back-tracking after originally supporting the decision to go to war in Iraq. However I'm not sure this is really a flaw. There may be different reasons for her change of viewpoint. (1) She may have simply changed her mind. While this may appear to be waffling, I'd rather have someone who is open enough to realize and correct an error than a president who is so stubborn that they will stick with an incorrect course of action, suffering massive losses for their stubborness. (2) She may believe that we accomplished our objective already. Many people thought we should go to war to remove Saddam from power and to eliminate the possibility of a nuclear program in Iraq. These goals were accomplished early on in the war and, if she believed that this was the intended goal, then there really is no inconsistency.

Here's the problem I have here.... she has not clearly stated her position as to why. I've heard any number of excuses, the most laughable (to me) is that her vote was "taken out of context." Of course, most of the time when confronted over the backtrack she just dodges the issue/question.
I personally feel it's important for a president to stand by their decisions. If she backtracked, fine, then admit that you did and why you did. At least John Edwards says flat out "I made a mistake when I voted for the war." I respect the honestly. I will never vote democrat, but I respect the honesty.
Hillary's got a wild plan for health care but I'm not sure if it would be cost feasible. She has a plan that would provide government subsidized health care options to people, similar to the health care received by people in Congress. Her proposal would essentially require everyone to maintain health insurance, at a reduced rate. It would also require employers to offer coverage to their employees. Her plan would also require the insurance companies to accept anybody, regardless of health.
This would be an expensive proposal. She expects to fund this program by eliminating the tax cut that Bush gave to the wealthy, which would provide about 52 billion dollars, and also clean up the fraud and waste spent, that she estimates to be approximately 77 billion dollars. The latter estimate seems pretty speculative and, if she's wrong about the numbers then this would likely create quite a deficit.
Has anyone seen how Hillary defines "Wealthy?" Just about anyone who isn't "poor" is "wealthy" by the various, ever changing definitions that she uses to define the term. I fear that she won't nail down the term more specifically until after she's actually elected.
I personally think that it would be a benefit to have Bill back in the whitehouse, albeit not as president. His experience can help Hillary do the job. I also think that her dealing with his scandal did show some loyalty and class. She handled a tough matter better than most could have.
Bill Clinton showed behavior that was so unethical it absolutely makes me sick. I'm not talking about what he did with Monica. The act is one thing. So he got down with some intern. Fine. That may bother some but that's not what I'm talking about. He went on TV, looked me right in the eye, and lied to me about it. I'm sorry, I cannot trust him, nor would I trust any president that's married to him, given the influence he'd have on the President.
In a larger sense, it seems and has always seemed to me as if Hillary is more interested in her own political gain and quenching her thirst for power than she is about the American people. Her willingness to flip flop on issues to whatever it seems like most people want to hear on a particular day tends to make me worry that she has no backbone whatsoever. A leader needs to have the fortitude to make the unpopular call. To hear Hillary tell it, she never makes an unpopular decision, and if you think she did, it's because you are misinterpreting her. I find it a hard act to swallow.
 

miaheatlvr

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Hillary Flip Flops MORE than John Kerry and she tells you what you want to hear at that present moment whenever it will benifit her politically. No MORE BUSH'S OR CLINTONS PERIOD! Think about it. Since 198O From George HW Bush as VP's all weve had is BUSH'S and CLINTONS, Thats 28 years, thats enough!.. Lets try something different or a different route!
 

lovethesea

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I don't trust her either. And IMO, the ONLY reason she stuck my Bill was because she knew if she didn't, she wouldn't be where she is today. I would love to be a fly on the wall in that house.
When in interviews she never tells you how she is going to go about fixing things that she is so quickly to bash, she aways says "I will have to see what I have inherited from this present admin...blah, blah blah"
And the NUMBER One issue is the healthcare reform/plan she wants. I just don't like it!! She is going to make us all pay for something she failed on years ago. How the heck is she going to even begin to weed out fraud? And that is just my first question.
 

m0nk

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I find the mudslinging comments rather interesting. It seems that more people follow rhetoric and party lines than anything. Personally, I'm fairly liberal; mostly because my beliefs are of a particular philosophy that no one on these boards (save for a small few) actually understand. I liked Hillary, and still do believe in most of what she stands for, but when she released a particular commercial I was appalled. In this commercial, she stated: "If you are a single mother trying to find affordable health care, you are invisible to this administration." Well, I'm a single father, and I struggle with that very thing, yet apparently I am invisible to her.
Other than that, I would only vote for her if she were the Democratic candidate, much the way I voted for Kerry. I disagree with everything that the Republican party stands for, therefore I don't believe they deserve to be in power in any way, shape, or form. If the Green party stood any chance of winning I would vote for them, but it seems that it's still a 2 party system in the presidential race.
Oh, and for the people who talk about "flip-flopping", give it a rest already.
"When we see clearly, we can change." -Buddha
 
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