I hate the abbreviation...X-mas....

mimzy

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/2833017
Whoa, did not mean to be derogatory! Not trying to dictate anything. Please forgive me if I offended you.
::::hugs:::::
::whispers:: I complained about the political threads too
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2833019
Crimzy, our backgrounds are obviously VERY different. The community I come from is extremely religious. Picking and choosing which parts of the religion you follow are not an option. A tree in a home is unthinkable. We went to school on Christmas day and Easter every single year. And no one, not a single one of us ever celebrated Halloween. It's pagan. Why on EARTH would we have celebrated it??
The lines that have blurred culture and religion don't exist in religious communities because they insulate themselves from the rest of the world. They don't watch secular television or listen to secular music or wear secular clothing or go to secular schools. They create their own bubbles in which to live and thrive. Sure they work in the secular world and contribute to science and the economy, and they vote and they donate money to worthy causes and they support their government and they even join the armed forces but allowing an Xmas tree into their homes they do NOT. It just. doesn't. happen.
I understand your perspective and it's fair. As I stated, my family does not agree at all with my laid back attitude regarding Christmas.
However, I will state that religious zealots (not referring to you BTW), are EXTREMELY dangerous, irrespective of which religion. Religion exists only because people need a way to separate themselves from others, need a group to associate with. And with that group dynamic comes feelings of superiority, intolerance and bigotry. Such feelings, throughout the course of history, have led to and will continue to lead to violence.
Here is my opinion, and it makes more sense to me than anything I've learned about religion:
(1) If there is a heaven, neither Christians, nor Muslims are any more likely to go than anyone else;
(2) Jews are not the chosen people; and
(3) If you believe in the existence of g-d, then I would assume that you believe the he/she is our judge and creator. As such, wouldn't you believe that the all-knowing creator would be more likely to judge us based upon our morality and relative "goodness", then something as silly as which group we associate with, which holidays we observe, which prayers we decide to chant, or which food we eat?
I'm a Jew. I don't believe that g-d will punish me because my family has a great time on Christmas. I don't believe that I will be punished for having tattoos. I do, however believe that it is human nature to want to feel superior, more moral, closer to g-d, than everyone else. This nature is NOT religious virtue, but a very secular human deficiency. If we could get past all the nonsense, then the human race would be much further along.
I think people have a tendency to sacrifice intelligent, independent thought, for the mass, often irrational, mentality of the various religions.
Blasphemy, I know...
 

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2833002
I was not comparing at ALL. I was correcting Nick's misconception of how sin is dealt with in Judaism. I don't know how sin is really dealt with in Christianity so I cannot possibly compare the two. I was simply telling him how it's dealt with in Judaism.
Dude, seriously, thanks for clearing that up for me. Yes, dealing with sin is clearly very different between Judaism and Chrisitanity. Actually, I would prefer the Jewish way of dealing with sin because it's actually solving the problem instead of the forgiveness "get in to heaven free" card. Thanks for clearing that up for me
 

alix2.0

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i never say x-mas. i hate it. not because im worried about offending any christians or anything, its just annoying.
 

mimzy

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2833040
I think people have a tendency to sacrifice intelligent, independent thought, for the mass, often irrational, mentality of the various religions.
Blasphemy, I know...

see, this, right here, is exactly my point. people are the problem. they are the taint. There is too much of humanity in religion; G-d is gone from it. gone gone gone. And everything else you've said is also what I feel; I don't want to believe in a G-d that is so punishing and angry and hateful as to condemn His creations who are gay, or tattooed, or confused, or who sometimes transgress....etc. ad infinitum.
But I also don't believe you can make up your own version of G-d. I do not come from the camp of believers who think you can adjust your definition of G-d to your definition of happiness. It makes sense for some people, and apparently works very well for them; but it doesn't work for me. That's not authenticity to me. Religion IS about rules and regulations and a strict code of how to lead one's life; you can't just make it up as you go along, religion was laid out by G-D; humans have no place changing that. And that's where I run into my problem; if there really isn't a G-d, then religion is all a farce. All of it.
All or nuthin' baby!
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2833581
see, this, right here, is exactly my point. people are the problem. they are the taint. There is too much of humanity in religion; G-d is gone from it. gone gone gone. And everything else you've said is also what I feel; I don't want to believe in a G-d that is so punishing and angry and hateful as to condemn His creations who are gay, or tattooed, or confused, or who sometimes transgress....etc. ad infinitum.
But I also don't believe you can make up your own version of G-d. I do not come from the camp of believers who think you can adjust your definition of G-d to your definition of happiness. It makes sense for some people, and apparently works very well for them; but it doesn't work for me. That's not authenticity to me. Religion IS about rules and regulations and a strict code of how to lead one's life; you can't just make it up as you go along, religion was laid out by G-D; humans have no place changing that. And that's where I run into my problem; if there really isn't a G-d, then religion is all a farce. All of it.
All or nuthin' baby!
I was raised a Methodist. But my opinions don't exactly match it. Organization of religion....that is the problem.
I personally believe there is....something...
Differention of beliefs are from years of handed down yada yada. 90% of "religions" look to the skies. Realizing that there is something, ultimately WAY bigger than ourselves. To me, it's better to go through my life feeling that there is something beautiful, magical, and welcoming.
If there is nothing at the end of the rainbow....so be it. I will be happy dying knowing that I tried to help who I could.
I don't need to attend a Chapel, Mosque, Synagogue, Temple, whatever....
I believe in Christmas. And I hate to see it desecrated. As much as I would hate to see others in this great melting pot of a Country get degraded.
BTW. Kosher has to do with so much more than just the slaughter of the animal. Actually more to do with the raising and care of it when it is alive.
 

mimzy

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2833638
I was raised a Methodist. But my opinions don't exactly match it. Organization of religion....that is the problem.
I personally believe there is....something...
Differention of beliefs are from years of handed down yada yada. 90% of "religions" look to the skies. Realizing that there is something, ultimately WAY bigger than ourselves. To me, it's better to go through my life feeling that there is something beautiful, magical, and welcoming.
If there is nothing at the end of the rainbow....so be it. I will be happy dying knowing that I tried to help who I could.
I don't need to attend a Chapel, Mosque, Synagogue, Temple, whatever....
I believe in Christmas. And I hate to see it desecrated. As much as I would hate to see others in this great melting pot of a Country get degraded.
BTW. Kosher has to do with so much more than just the slaughter of the animal. Actually more to do with the raising and care of it when it is alive.
1st; have I desecrated Christmas for you in any way? Who is desecrating Christmas?
2nd; You are correct. Kosher has to do with the preparation of food. Preparation includes care and handling of live animals before during and after slaughter, as well as what happens with the meat and various other parts before during and after preparation for sale. It also includes how everything is prepared and handled AFTER sale and in preparation for meals. This also applies to plant matter and all non-living edible materials. Before, during and after it reaches your plate, there are strict rules and regulations as to its care and handling in order that it can be called Kosher.
3rd; why does the thought that there may be no G-d frighten people? It doesn't frighten me. it makes me feel like what I do now really counts. like I have to make every moment, every word matter. this is all I have, I must do my best to enjoy it and see to it that those i love are enjoying it right along with me. there can be plenty of magic in that.
 

t316

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2833581
see, this, right here, is exactly my point. people are the problem. they are the taint. There is too much of humanity in religion; G-d is gone from it. gone gone gone. And everything else you've said is also what I feel; I don't want to believe in a G-d that is so punishing and angry and hateful as to condemn His creations who are gay, or tattooed, or confused, or who sometimes transgress....etc. ad infinitum.
But I also don't believe you can make up your own version of G-d. I do not come from the camp of believers who think you can adjust your definition of G-d to your definition of happiness. It makes sense for some people, and apparently works very well for them; but it doesn't work for me. That's not authenticity to me. Religion IS about rules and regulations and a strict code of how to lead one's life; you can't just make it up as you go along, religion was laid out by G-D; humans have no place changing that. And that's where I run into my problem; if there really isn't a G-d, then religion is all a farce. All of it.
All or nuthin' baby!
First Mimzy, I must ask, why do you keep typing God as "G-d"? I'm not saying you have to acknowledge Him, but why not just not capitalize the G? By typing G-d, this is another example of inadvertantly pissing off someone who believes in GOD. That's what this thread was about. Some people do it inadvertantly, some do it on purpose. I'm sure your reason is not to piss people off, probably rather that you are acknowledging that you don't believe in God.
Second, I totally agree with you in the post up above. Absolutely you cannot just make up your religion and who your God is based on what your lifestyle and ways are as you go along. Make a decision and get on one side of the fence one way or the other. With that said, I will go back to a previous poster, Tizzo I think it was, and say that you can believe in a "higher power" yet still choose a religion that you feel most fits you. I know this sounds contradictary, but I do believe that first and foremost, there is a God. As to what traditions, or how/when/where I acknowledge Him is open to interpretation. Just because one Church thinks that wearing makeup or drinking beer makes you a hell-bound sinner, does not ward me off from believing in God, and knowing that I will get in Heaven even though I drink beer (although I don't wear makeup
) Point being, there are Church's that range from the extreme to the laid back, and everywhere in between. It's not about pleasing those in that particular Church. It's about your personal beliefs, and your personal relationship with....let's leave it at a "higher power".
Back to the purpose of the thread. It still pisses me off to see "X-mas". I have read nothing yet to change my opinion. Although I understand that it's society's way of a shortcut for words, I see it as a direct disrespect to Christians.
 

mimzy

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2833670
First Mimzy, I must ask, why do you keep typing God as "G-d"? I'm not saying you have to acknowledge Him, but why not just not capitalize the G? By typing G-d, this is another example of inadvertantly pissing off someone who believes in GOD. That's what this thread was about. Some people do it inadvertantly, some do it on purpose. I'm sure your reason is not to piss people off, probably rather that you are acknowledging that you don't believe in God.
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Acutually it's quite the opposite.... in Judaism we believe there is an innate power in words. Each letter itself has a special meaning and a special power. the name of G-d is a very, very special word, and cannot be taken in vain. We are taught as children to omit the "o" in English and to use a different word in Hebrew in order to respect the power of His name. His name should only be invoked in prayer, and since I'm not praying right now, I won't type out His name. It's out of great respect and reverence that I don't type the whole thing out. The same thing goes when writing the word Christmas; the word Christ invokes Jesus as the savior, and since he is NOT my savior, I do not feel comfortable typing it out. I am not not not not not NOT trying to disrespect anyone at all. I don't know how any times in how many ways I can say it.
 

t316

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2833687
Acutually it's quite the opposite.... in Judaism we believe there is an innate power in words. Each letter itself has a special meaning and a special power. the name of G-d is a very, very special word, and cannot be taken in vain. We are taught as children to omit the "o" in English and to use a different word in Hebrew in order to respect the power of His name. His name should only be invoked in prayer, and since I'm not praying right now, I won't type out His name. It's out of great respect and reverence that I don't type the whole thing out. The same thing goes when writing the word Christmas; the word Christ invokes Jesus as the savior, and since he is NOT my savior, I do not feel comfortable typing it out. I am not not not not not NOT trying to disrespect anyone at all. I don't know how any times in how many ways I can say it.
Okay, that was new to me. You have educated me here, and I am having a little more respect for what I see out there in the world. Granted, I doubt the department stores are going to give me that explanation, but I respect your interpretation.
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2833581
see, this, right here, is exactly my point. people are the problem. they are the taint. There is too much of humanity in religion; G-d is gone from it. gone gone gone. And everything else you've said is also what I feel; I don't want to believe in a G-d that is so punishing and angry and hateful as to condemn His creations who are gay, or tattooed, or confused, or who sometimes transgress....etc. ad infinitum.
But I also don't believe you can make up your own version of G-d. I do not come from the camp of believers who think you can adjust your definition of G-d to your definition of happiness. It makes sense for some people, and apparently works very well for them; but it doesn't work for me. That's not authenticity to me. Religion IS about rules and regulations and a strict code of how to lead one's life; you can't just make it up as you go along, religion was laid out by G-D; humans have no place changing that. And that's where I run into my problem; if there really isn't a G-d, then religion is all a farce. All of it.
All or nuthin' baby!
I agree with you to an extent but I am very skeptical that the rules that we have been taught are actually g-d's word. I don't know that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were ever actual people and I don't know if I believe that Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son for g-d. What I do know is what makes sense to me.
Morality, conscience, generosity, virtue... these are all gifts that have been given to man (though some choose to ignore them). It makes more sense to me to believe thatg g-d gives us his words. People devote their entire lives to blind faith that their "faith" is the only accurate one. Logic tends to go out the window. This idea is only reinforced because I believe that religion causes intolerance, bigotry, violence, etc. that I truly believe are violative of g-d's wishes. It doesn't make sense to me that so many ignore morality in favor of blind faith.
I was raised in a conservative synagogue, and none of it made any sense to me. I do not speak fluent hebrew and merely learned to memorize the prayers by repetition, not out of genuine belief. At some point as I grew into adulthood, I decided that the Jewish religion is important more because of its history, and because of what people have had to sacrifice to be a part of the community, rather than because the story of Noah has so much personal meaning in my life.
My kids will be raised with a Jewish identity. It is crucial that the identity of Judaism continue because of what our people have been through to preserve the religion. But I personally don't believe that the things that we are taught are accurate, divine prophecy. I may be an enigma, because I am highly skeptical of religion, but I do believe in g-d. Weird, huh?
 

mimzy

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2833741
Okay, that was new to me. You have educated me here, and I am having a little more respect for what I see out there in the world. Granted, I doubt the department stores are going to give me that explanation, but I respect your interpretation.
LoL, well, I can't say that I can speak for the department stores (do department stores use the abbreviation?? I don't know that I've ever seen that!), but I can speak for myself, and I'm glad I could, after all this complicated long-windedness, finally explain myself to someone.

My whole community uses the abbreviation for Xmas, and we all also use the hyphen instead of spelling out the name of G-d. We also capitalize any pronouns we use in reference to Him/Her/It, and we do the equivalent when we're writing in Hebrew. All the Orthodox Jewish communities all over the world do this; it's in reverence to the power of the written word and the meaning of letters and power of names. It's all in respect, not the opposite.
 

t316

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2833747
People devote their entire lives to blind faith that their "faith" is the only accurate one. Logic tends to go out the window. This idea is only reinforced because I believe that religion causes intolerance, bigotry, violence, etc. that I truly believe are violative of g-d's wishes. It doesn't make sense to me that so many ignore morality in favor of blind faith.
Crimzy....When I read this, I can only picture the "fanaticals" out there. Religion in general does not cause intolerance, bigotry, and violence. Just the opposite, religion instills the genuine belief system of 'do good unto others', the traits that you just mentioned. Any religion, such as the radical muslims (note I said radical....I'm not referring to the Muslim religion), that dictate killing everyone who is not their religion is a bunch of horse crap. Most every known religion of the civilized world teaches respect, humility, giving, and reverence to God (whomever your idea of God is....as long as you acknowledge that it's a higher power).
 

t316

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2833751
LoL, well, I can't say that I can speak for the department stores (do department stores use the abbreviation?? I don't know that I've ever seen that!), but I can speak for myself, and I'm glad I could, after all this complicated long-windedness, finally explain myself to someone.

My whole community uses the abbreviation for Xmas, and we all also use the hyphen instead of spelling out the name of G-d. We also capitalize any pronouns we use in reference to Him/Her/It, and we do the equivalent when we're writing in Hebrew. All the Orthodox Jewish communities all over the world do this; it's in reverence to the power of the written word and the meaning of letters and power of names. It's all in respect, not the opposite.
Mimzy, when I referenced "dept. stores", I was talking about their use of "Xmas" not G-d. They do it all the time, in ads and store front slogans, etc.
You are truely rare, and I appreciate your candidness. You have enlightened me in several areas, to which I will keep this in mind. But as I said, in general, the use of the abbreviation "Xmas" is not generally coming from someone with as much reason/background as you....agree?
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2833762
Crimzy....When I read this, I can only picture the "fanaticals" out there. Religion in general does not cause intolerance, bigotry, and violence. Just the opposite, religion instills the genuine belief system of 'do good unto others', the traits that you just mentioned. Any religion, such as the radical muslims (note I said radical....I'm not referring to the Muslim religion), that dictate killing everyone who is not their religion is a bunch of horse crap. Most every known religion of the civilized world teaches respect, humility, giving, and reverence to God (whomever your idea of God is....as long as you acknowledge that it's a higher power).
I disagree only because virtually every religion rejects the principle of "all men are created equal". Every religion has some concept of superiority, damnation, being chosen, etc. While some take this to violent extremes, the concept itself flies in the face of equality, which I believe would be an essential teaching, if g-d truly exists.
Historically, religious (virtuous) people have gone to church and then come home to their slaves. Religious people walk by the homeless and look at them with disdain. Religious people argue that the less fortunate are fat, lazy, drug/alcohol addicts. Religious people are child molesters. Religious people are unfaithful and/or selfish. Religious people are actually some of the most judgmental people around.
 

mimzy

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2833747
I agree with you to an extent but I am very skeptical that the rules that we have been taught are actually g-d's word. I don't know that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were ever actual people and I don't know if I believe that Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son for g-d. What I do know is what makes sense to me.
Morality, conscience, generosity, virtue... these are all gifts that have been given to man (though some choose to ignore them). It makes more sense to me to believe thatg g-d gives us his words. People devote their entire lives to blind faith that their "faith" is the only accurate one. Logic tends to go out the window. This idea is only reinforced because I believe that religion causes intolerance, bigotry, violence, etc. that I truly believe are violative of g-d's wishes. It doesn't make sense to me that so many ignore morality in favor of blind faith.
I was raised in a conservative synagogue, and none of it made any sense to me. I do not speak fluent hebrew and merely learned to memorize the prayers by repetition, not out of genuine belief. At some point as I grew into adulthood, I decided that the Jewish religion is important more because of its history, and because of what people have had to sacrifice to be a part of the community, rather than because the story of Noah has so much personal meaning in my life.
My kids will be raised with a Jewish identity. It is crucial that the identity of Judaism continue because of what our people have been through to preserve the religion. But I personally don't believe that the things that we are taught are accurate, divine prophecy. I may be an enigma, because I am highly skeptical of religion, but I do believe in g-d. Weird, huh?
Not so very weird after all, this is where my Husband and I are basically at this point; except we're doubting the G-d thing a little bit too.
And for having grown up in the Conservative movement your views are very much in line with a lot of Conservatives (Conservative JEWS not conservative politics, big difference not the same thing, just to clarify for people who are reading; Conservative Judaism has nothing to do with American politics, LoL), that I grew up with.
My parents were Conservative in their youth and grew to be more religious. They sent me and my younger brothers to religious schools so we'd be able to make well-educated decisions as we grew up as to how religious we wanted to be. My middle brother is now in Yeshiva University studying to be an Orthodox Rabbi, my youngest brother is Orthodox but studying to be a geologist, and here I am, living in the mountains with a tattoo and eating bacon whenever I can get it. I was educated. Well educated. And I have made my decision.
There is no inexorable proof that G-d exists. There is also no proof that He does not. I don't know if He's out there, and neither does anyone else. Anyone who says they KNOW is lying, they are also trampling on the concept of "faith." KNOWING is not having FAITH. And I don't really want faith; I want to KNOW. And since I CAN'T know, I simply do not know. Militant Agnostic, you see?

In the meantime I will continue to cover my knees and elbows and hair and abide by all the rules when I go to visit my brothers and my parents, and I will keep a Kosher house so that they can come visit me... because I do not like to stir the pot, because my family is more important to me than how I feel about religion. They will never know about my tattoo or how much I absolutely ADORE cheese on my turkey burgers.
And if children ever enter the picture.... oh lordy. That's going to be a looooooooooooooooooooong discussion. I will probably do for them what my parents did for me; give them the opportunity to make an educated decision. But then again I don't know how I feel about putting someone else through what I went through; it was an incredibly painful thing to go through being the "irreligious one" in all the religious schools. Children are horrendously cruel. They pick on the fat ones, the slow ones, the ones with the big glasses and the ones with the parents who drive on the Sabbath. No mercy. My brothers had a different experience; my folks had become religious by the time they entered school, so they didn't have the same obstacles I did; merely different ones.
...and yet.... all children will have obstacles in any school they go to for any reason whatsoever. Children are cruel no matter where you go.
...which is why I don't have children right now.....
...I could go on in loops like this for hours. LoL.
And it's more than just that.... simply b/c people died for something, does that then mean that I am now OBLIGATED to uphold it? b/c generations of pple sacrificed themselves b/c they believed in something, does that make it RIGHT? ...or is that just Jewish guilt?
....talk about blasphemy
 

mimzy

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Originally Posted by T316
http:///forum/post/2833772
Mimzy, when I referenced "dept. stores", I was talking about their use of "Xmas" not G-d. They do it all the time, in ads and store front slogans, etc.
You are truely rare, and I appreciate your candidness. You have enlightened me in several areas, to which I will keep this in mind. But as I said, in general, the use of the abbreviation "Xmas" is not generally coming from someone with as much reason/background as you....agree?
hhm...I shall have to pay closer attention... I didn't realize "Xmas" was mainstream... I'll keep my eyes peeled. That's why I was so floored when everyone got all up in arms about it... I didn't realize it was being used left and right like that!
 

mimzy

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Originally Posted by crimzy
http:///forum/post/2833784
I disagree only because virtually every religion rejects the principle of "all men are created equal". Every religion has some concept of superiority, damnation, being chosen, etc. While some take this to violent extremes, the concept itself flies in the face of equality, which I believe would be an essential teaching, if g-d truly exists.
Historically, religious (virtuous) people have gone to church and then come home to their slaves. Religious people walk by the homeless and look at them with disdain. Religious people argue that the less fortunate are fat, lazy, drug/alcohol addicts. Religious people are child molesters. Religious people are unfaithful and/or selfish. Religious people are actually some of the most judgmental people around.
o.m.g. ive been saying this for eons. where are you when im having dinner parties??? for heaven's sake, crimzy HONESTLY.
 

crimzy

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Originally Posted by Mimzy
http:///forum/post/2833788
Not so very weird after all, this is where my Husband and I are basically at this point; except we're doubting the G-d thing a little bit too.
And for having grown up in the Conservative movement your views are very much in line with a lot of Conservatives (Conservative JEWS not conservative politics, big difference not the same thing, just to clarify for people who are reading; Conservative Judaism has nothing to do with American politics, LoL), that I grew up with.
My parents were Conservative in their youth and grew to be more religious. They sent me and my younger brothers to religious schools so we'd be able to make well-educated decisions as we grew up as to how religious we wanted to be. My middle brother is now in Yeshiva University studying to be an Orthodox Rabbi, my youngest brother is Orthodox but studying to be a geologist, and here I am, living in the mountains with a tattoo and eating bacon whenever I can get it. I was educated. Well educated. And I have made my decision.
There is no inexorable proof that G-d exists. There is also no proof that He does not. I don't know if He's out there, and neither does anyone else. Anyone who says they KNOW is lying, they are also trampling on the concept of "faith." KNOWING is not having FAITH. And I don't really want faith; I want to KNOW. And since I CAN'T know, I simply do not know. Militant Agnostic, you see?

In the meantime I will continue to cover my knees and elbows and hair and abide by all the rules when I go to visit my brothers and my parents, and I will keep a Kosher house so that they can come visit me... because I do not like to stir the pot, because my family is more important to me than how I feel about religion. They will never know about my tattoo or how much I absolutely ADORE cheese on my turkey burgers.
Very interesting. I'm a bit different in that I'm too arrogant to hide my tattoo's or my Christmas/Chanukah tree.
But my family, while they may be a bit uncomfortable with my decisions, are not precluded from coming into my home and eating a meal because of them.
Originally Posted by Mimzy

http:///forum/post/2833788
And it's more than just that.... simply b/c people died for something, does that then mean that I am now OBLIGATED to uphold it? b/c generations of pple sacrificed themselves b/c they believed in something, does that make it RIGHT? ...or is that just Jewish guilt?
....talk about blasphemy


I'd actually call it respect for my family and its history. There are people out there who hate you and me because of how we were born. Because of this, I feel it's important to embrace the identity. People have died because they would not reject or hide their Judaism. So to me, it's important to hold onto the identity, even if we have doubts about the religious ideals. JMO.
 
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