I just don't get how this guy might be the next leader of the Free World

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
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in 8 short years college tuition has tripled. food gas and energy has doubled. jobs, especially manufacturing have disapeared. i too have friends in jail or on drugs. i too am scraping by and i too have friends that are "rich". the opportunities we ALL had 10 20 or 30 years ago aren't as abundant as they were back then. if your from a poor family and aren't exceptional how are you to live the American dream? by working at Walmart or McDonalds? you cant go put in an application at the local steel mill or auto plant there in China and Mexico. you cant get a scholarship or grants for college or trade schools. what is the C average poor kid to do nowadays? back in the day he could work an honest blue collar job and provide for his family. he would pay taxes, provide a service, and contribute to society. now he's at a fastfood joint or two and still cant afford a trade school or college. he/she has no healthcare and is a paycheck or two away from being homeless! this is not fair and is not the american dream, especially while the richest 1% have made record profits! if EVERYONE was struggling equally i could except it. but thats not the case. our young and poor quite simply do not have a fair shot. i dont want my tax dollars going to lazy welfare bums but I DO WANT it to go to hardworking poor kids who want the American dream. they DONT have the same opportunities that we had and thats the problem...
I found the problem; You live in a different country than I do.
I worked with students from 1996 until 2005. I saw HUNDREDS of low-middle income kids work, that's right work, their ways through college. Many of them choice junior colleges for 2 years so they then could afford larger Universities.
Whose responsible for the cost of education increasing? Aren't the universities in your State regulated by your State?
The unemployment numbers simply contradict the woeful tale you're trying to spin...
Let me explain this. We live in the 21st century. GONE are the days of steel mills and the glory days of labor unions (thank God). That "C" student needs to be hitting the books harder to become an "A" student.
We live in a global economy. The people that don't try to better themselves, work hard, and move to get an appropriate job aren't going to have a $60,000 a year job handed to them.
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2821275
No... but given the choice we go with the much lesser of two evils...
Capitalist societies go bankrupt and need Socialist plans to bail them out huh? So you think people can't live without Government holding their hands and making their decisions for them?
I don't know but your candidate believes so. The socialist McCain, and his mentor Oil man Bush..
 

zman1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2821284
In a related story, at least the Obama supporters around here are finally beginning to admit he's a Socialist.
We are tring to get you to recconize your boys are socialist - Bush and McCain - if the shoe fits, wear it. Like AA, you are going to have to admit it, before you can get help...
Originally Posted by zman1

http:///forum/post/2821176
You have three now.. Bush, McCain, and Obama, two voted and one signed the socialist bailout plan. I see you have your morals intact because you're okay with varying levels of socialism on the free market. So it's really not a conviction or true belief. Otherwise, neither McCain or Obama would get your vote. Now I know you are a quasi socialist as others are too.
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2821293
I don't know but your candidate believes so. The socialist McCain, and his mentor Oil man Bush..
Oil man Bush...half of Texas can retire and live happy horny lives because of the riches GW Bush has given them by stealing it from Iraq. Danggit I wish I still lived there.

Socialist McCain??? I was really hoping ya'll didn't catch on to our tricks. But,....busted. Ya got us. I'll try to talk John into taking a stronger stance against big government. My Mom told me John wanted to add 6-10 different government funded.....Oh snap. I'm trying to make a funny, but ya'll might take it serious.
Never mind......friggin Obamanites.

What do you, the person voting for him, actually know about him and his policies??
Or could it be Daffy Duck running on the Dem ticket and still get your vote?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2821176
Capitalist markets don't want government to get in their way. Until they backrupt themselves by greed and then the capitalist want and need a socialist plan to bail them out. Go Figure....
You have three now.. Bush, McCain, and Obama, two voted and one signed the socialist bailout plan. I see you have your morals intact because you're okay with varying levels of socialism on the free market. So its really not a conviction or true belief. Otherwise, neither McCain or Obama would get your vote. Now I know you are a quasi socialist as others are too.
Government bailing out a problem they had a role in creating is hardly socialist. They are not taking control of the businesses either except for freddie and fanny which were quasi government agencies already. Read the details of the plan.
Set the wayback machine to pre meltdown days. Obama has been talking about new government programs from the start. McCain has talked about cutting government spending.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2821364
Oil man Bush...half of Texas can retire and live happy horny lives because of the riches GW Bush has given them by stealing it from Iraq. Danggit I wish I still lived there.

Socialist McCain??? I was really hoping ya'll didn't catch on to our tricks. But,....busted. Ya got us. I'll try to talk John into taking a stronger stance against big government. My Mom told me John wanted to add 6-10 different government funded.....Oh snap. I'm trying to make a funny, but ya'll might take it serious.
Never mind......friggin Obamanites.

What do you, the person voting for him, actually know about him and his policies??
Or could it be Daffy Duck running on the Dem ticket and still get your vote?
friggin McCaint's..
I think you should be asking that about your candidate. In every debate, in every speech, all McCain says is, "he's going to cut pork barrel spending, he's going to freeze spending on federal programs, he's gonna, he's gonna". What I haven't heard from him is, HOW'S HE GONNA DO IT? WHICH programs is he cutting? HOW is he going to freeze federal spending? He spins the Bush tax cut platform. If he cuts taxes, where's the money going to come from to pay for all the necessary programs -- military, roads, Social Security, Medicare?
What do I know about Obama's policies? EVERYTHING. He has cleary stated exactly what he plans to do. The McCaints have done nothing but try to discredit who he is, with the stupid Ayers conspiracy, and now this idiotic PLO association. What exactly do you know about McCain? If you think he's this true blue All American whose never had a shady past, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821493
friggin McCaint's..
I think you should be asking that about your candidate. In every debate, in every speech, all McCain says is, "he's going to cut pork barrel spending, he's going to freeze spending on federal programs, he's gonna, he's gonna". What I haven't heard from him is, HOW'S HE GONNA DO IT? WHICH programs is he cutting? HOW is he going to freeze federal spending? He spins the Bush tax cut platform. If he cuts taxes, where's the money going to come from to pay for all the necessary programs -- military, roads, Social Security, Medicare?
Veto my friend.Stop all the useless spending thats not essential to the people of The United States of America
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821493
What do I know about Obama's policies? EVERYTHING. He has cleary stated exactly what he plans to do.
Spread the Wealth,Class Warfare,Socialisim,Run this country into the ground......
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2821493
The McCaints have done nothing but try to discredit who he is, with the stupid Ayers conspiracy, and now this idiotic PLO association.
I call these "Stupid" things important enough to disqualify Obama from being President for being at the very least "Stupid,Dishonest,and lack of good judgement"
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2821493
What exactly do you know about McCain? If you think he's this true blue All American whose never had a shady past, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

Well if you can throw anything else out there besides the obvious."Keating 5"whitch btw he was cleared of doing anything wrong or donating to the Center for Palestine Research and Studies,where i can say is different than rubbing elbows at a Lets Wipe Israel Off The Map Party.
I would like to hear it.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821493
friggin McCaint's..
"...What do I know about Obama's policies? EVERYTHING....
Wasn't it a grand total of 3 days ago when we had to explain, and quote, Obama's position on handguns to you? It took you forever to admit Obama knew Ayers. Multiple Obama supporters here (not sure if you are in this group) keep saying Obama's health care pan is not a Universal Plan despite the contray being quoted from Obama's own webpage.
You, and the other Obama supporters here, do not know everything. Your defense has been one of the following:
1. Just say "not true" and ignore any facts in front of you.
2. Say, "he doesn't really mean it" when Obama is quoted.
What will McCain do?
*He won't cut billions in military R&D.
*He won't appoint activist judges
*He won't march down the path of Stalin
*He won't promote Civi Rights issues to "redistribute wealth"
*He wont' sit down with world leaders that call us the devil and vow to use nuclear weapons on us and our allies.
*He won't bow to the UN.
How will he pay for it? First by cutting pork barrel spending. Second, by allowing business to flourish and therefore pay more in taxes (not by increasing taxes but by tax on increased revenue). Third, by cutting unneccessary programs and spending.
 

el guapo

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821493
friggin McCaint's..
I think you should be asking that about your candidate. In every debate, in every speech, all McCain says is, "he's going to cut pork barrel spending, he's going to freeze spending on federal programs, he's gonna, he's gonna". What I haven't heard from him is, HOW'S HE GONNA DO IT? WHICH programs is he cutting? HOW is he going to freeze federal spending? He spins the Bush tax cut platform. If he cuts taxes, where's the money going to come from to pay for all the necessary programs -- military, roads, Social Security, Medicare?
What do I know about Obama's policies? EVERYTHING. He has cleary stated exactly what he plans to do. The McCaints have done nothing but try to discredit who he is, with the stupid Ayers conspiracy, and now this idiotic PLO association. What exactly do you know about McCain? If you think he's this true blue All American whose never had a shady past, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.


You obviously know as much as the rest of his supporters . So please clear it all up for us is it 250K or 120 ? Please tell us EXACTLY where the line is drawn in the sand .
Please tell me Obamas exact stance on gun control .
Please break it down for me how Obama's health care plan is not going to come out of my pocket . Personally I like having the choice to have or not have health care . Further more I like the fact that I am not footing the bill for half a dozen worthless dirt bags looking to be raised to an equal level to those of us willing to work for a pay check .
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2821560
Wasn't it a grand total of 3 days ago when we had to explain, and quote, Obama's position on handguns to you? It took you forever to admit Obama knew Ayers. Multiple Obama supporters here (not sure if you are in this group) keep saying Obama's health care pan is not a Universal Plan despite the contray being quoted from Obama's own webpage.
You, and the other Obama supporters here, do not know everything. Your defense has been one of the following:
1. Just say "not true" and ignore any facts in front of you.
2. Say, "he doesn't really mean it" when Obama is quoted.
What will McCain do?
*He won't cut billions in military R&D.
*He won't appoint activist judges
*He won't march down the path of Stalin
*He won't promote Civi Rights issues to "redistribute wealth"
*He wont' sit down with world leaders that call us the devil and vow to use nuclear weapons on us and our allies.
*He won't bow to the UN.
How will he pay for it? First by cutting pork barrel spending. Second, by allowing business to flourish and therefore pay more in taxes (not by increasing taxes but by tax on increased revenue). Third, by cutting unneccessary programs and spending.
Journey, someone closed the door on your brain, locked it, and threw away the key. No matter how many times I've explained Ayers, you refuse to understand the logic and what it means that he didn't have a close relationship with the guy. It's done. Give it up. You're not going to convince anyone on this miniscule forum to change their minds this late in the game.
What will McCain do?
*He won't cut billions in military R&D.
Why not? Talk about pork barrel spending. How about eliminate inflated government contracts that pay individuals like you exhorbinant amounts of money for doing menial jobs?

*He won't appoint activist judges
No you want him to appooint one that will lean towards your ultra conservative values. Sorry, I want an unbiased judge, who doesn't lean either left or right.

*He won't march down the path of Stalin
All subjective. That's your right-wing beliefs talking. Which to me are baseless.

*He won't promote Civi Rights issues to "redistribute wealth"
Again you listening to some interview snippets from 6 years ago, and apply your right-wing misinterpretations to them. Learn to not take every spoken word so literally, and twist them to benefit your agenda.

*He wont' sit down with world leaders that call us the devil and vow to use nuclear weapons on us and our allies.
Please. If McCain gets elected, he'll just push 'The Big Red Button' on anyone that disagrees with him. So destruction of the entire world is a better option to you?

*He won't bow to the UN.
The UN is an arbitrator. Trying to assist in keeping peace around this world. You like the idea of having the US 'show their muscle'. Unfortunately, all that does is drag us into continual and useless wars that benefit no one.
How will he pay for it? First by cutting pork barrel spending.
Define pork barrel spending. Magical buzz words he's never explained. Give me specific programs this relates to. You're talking about the US Congress. Pork barrel spending and pet projects are what keep these people in office for 40 years, letting them live the high life. You think the PAC's and lobbyist will allow Congress to cut off the hands that feed them? How's he gonna do it? Remember, DEMOCRATIC-LED HOUSE AND SENATE. You think any of these guys will let him walk in an kill their cash cows? Go smoke some more of that Iraqi hashish.

Second, by allowing business to flourish and therefore pay more in taxes (not by increasing taxes but by tax on increased revenue).
How are businesses going to flourish when all of them are sending their manufacturing processes overseas? We're in a recession dude. Businesses are just trying to stay afloat. What magical powers does McCaint have that will allow these businesses to flourish? How will he get them to flourish? I want specifics. Not political double talk. Show me specific programs and initiatvies he will implement.

Third, by cutting unneccessary programs and spending
Yet again, more political double talk. What programs, what spending? Defer to my answer above. How's he gonna get Congress to pass them? HE ISN'T.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2821565
You obviously know as much as the rest of his supporters . So please clear it all up for us is it 250K or 120 ? Please tell us EXACTLY where the line is drawn in the sand .
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes...Plan_FINAL.pdf

Please tell me Obamas exact stance on gun control .
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...FQOaFQodaw9D2w
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Bara...un_Control.htm
http://obama.3cdn.net/7d467fe75a3029d7df_hum6injwr.pdf

Please break it down for me how Obama's health care plan is not going to come out of my pocket . Personally I like having the choice to have or not have health care . Further more I like the fact that I am not footing the bill for half a dozen worthless dirt bags looking to be raised to an equal level to those of us willing to work for a pay check .
Just read my earlier posts in this thread. I've already stated his health care plan. You just want to rant the pro-McCain rhetoric instead of validating the two candidates stances on these issues. Took me 5 minutes to find these threads. Too lazy to look them up yourself?
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
How will he pay for it? First by cutting pork barrel spending.
Define pork barrel spending. Magical buzz words he's never explained. Give me specific programs this relates to. You're talking about the US Congress. Pork barrel spending and pet projects are what keep these people in office for 40 years, letting them live the high life. You think the PAC's and lobbyist will allow Congress to cut off the hands that feed them? How's he gonna do it? Remember, DEMOCRATIC-LED HOUSE AND SENATE. You think any of these guys will let him walk in an kill their cash cows? Go smoke some more of that Iraqi hashish.

Again its called Line-Item Veto,Veto,Veto
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2821653
Yet again, more political double talk. What programs, what spending? Defer to my answer above. How's he gonna get Congress to pass them? HE ISN'T.

Any and all spending that isnt nesessary to the People of The United States of America.See above answer
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
Journey, someone closed the door on your brain, locked it, and threw away the key. No matter how many times I've explained Ayers, you refuse to understand the logic and what it means that he didn't have a close relationship with the guy. It's done. Give it up. You're not going to convince anyone on this miniscule forum to change their minds this late in the game.
Im convinced and i know a lot of others who feel Obama is a lier at the very least
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
What will McCain do?
*He won't cut billions in military R&D.
Why not? Talk about pork barrel spending. How about eliminate inflated government contracts that pay individuals like you exhorbinant amounts of money for doing menial jobs?

McCain has stated on numerous occasions he will cut defence programs that are open ended and over budget.
BTW i cant speak for Jourmey ,but when you refer to Americans in Iraq and Afganistan doing "Menial Jobs" i find that offensive ,what the hell are you doing to help out our troops ,other than complaining?
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2821653
*He won't appoint activist judges
No you want him to appooint one that will lean towards your ultra conservative values. Sorry, I want an unbiased judge, who doesn't lean either left or right.

His past association say otherwise.McCain will appoint Judges that adhere to the US Constitution and no judges that rule from the bench thing that they believe are fair
bionicarm;2821653 said:
*He won't march down the path of Stalin
bionicarm;2821653 said:
Shareing the Weath is more of marching down the path of Karl Marx
bionicarm;2821653 said:
*He won't promote Civi Rights issues to "redistribute wealth"
Originally Posted by bionicarm
bionicarm;2821653 said:
bionicarm;2821653 said:
bionicarm;2821653 said:
http:///forum/post/2821653
He has stated his stance with the recent release of the tape from 2001
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
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*He wont' sit down with world leaders that call us the devil and vow to use nuclear weapons on us and our allies.
Thats what he said he would do
*He won't bow to the UN.
The UN is no longer a fuctional oganization IMO and if it ceased to exist it would be ok with me
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
How will he pay for it? First by cutting pork barrel spending.
Define pork barrel spending. Magical buzz words he's never explained. Give me specific programs this relates to. You're talking about the US Congress. Pork barrel spending and pet projects are what keep these people in office for 40 years, letting them live the high life. You think the PAC's and lobbyist will allow Congress to cut off the hands that feed them? How's he gonna do it? Remember, DEMOCRATIC-LED HOUSE AND SENATE. You think any of these guys will let him walk in an kill their cash cows? Go smoke some more of that Iraqi hashish.

Freeze spending and VETO,VETO,VETO
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2821653
Second, by allowing business to flourish and therefore pay more in taxes (not by increasing taxes but by tax on increased revenue).
How are businesses going to flourish when all of them are sending their manufacturing processes overseas? We're in a recession dude. Businesses are just trying to stay afloat. What magical powers does McCaint have that will allow these businesses to flourish? How will he get them to flourish? I want specifics. Not political double talk. Show me specific programs and initiatives he will implement.

Cut business taxes and give them incentive to hire American workers
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2821653
Third, by cutting unneccessary programs and spending
Yet again, more political double talk. What programs, what spending? Defer to my answer above. How's he gonna get Congress to pass them? HE ISN'T.

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Any and all programs that are not essential to the People of The United States of America.Veto anything that comes across his desk with little hidden goodies in it that isnt essential to THE PEOPLE
 

veni vidi vici

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Veni Vidi Vici;2821686 said:
Im convinced and i know a lot of others who feel Obama is a lier at the very least
McCain has stated on numerous occasions he will cut defence programs that are open ended and over budget.
BTW i cant speak for Jourmey ,but when you refer to Americans in Iraq and Afganistan doing "Menial Jobs" i find that offensive ,what the hell are you doing to help out our troops ,other than complaining?

His past association say otherwise.McCain will appoint Judges that adhere to the US Constitution and no judges that rule from the bench thing that they believe are fair
bionicarm;2821653 said:
*He won't march down the path of Stalin
bionicarm;2821653 said:
Shareing the Weath is more of marching down the path of Karl Marx
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
*He won't promote Civi Rights issues to "redistribute wealth"
The UN is no longer a fuctional oganization IMO and if it ceased to exist it would be ok with me
Freeze spending and VETO,VETO,VETO
Cut business taxes and give them incentive to hire American workers
Any and all programs that are not essential to the People of The United States of America.Veto anything that comes across his desk with little hidden goodies in it that isnt essential to THE PEOPLE
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Veni Vidi Vici;2821728 said:
Veni Vidi Vici;2821686 said:
Im convinced and i know a lot of others who feel Obama is a lier at the very least
McCain has stated on numerous occasions he will cut defence programs that are open ended and over budget.
BTW i cant speak for Jourmey ,but when you refer to Americans in Iraq and Afganistan doing "Menial Jobs" i find that offensive ,what the hell are you doing to help out our troops ,other than complaining?

Give me a break. I'm not talking about the men and women in the military. I'm talking about the contractors that leach off the tax payers making ridiculous salaries for cooking food, managing housing, janitorial work, etc. Don't bother justifying journey's cause. He's too secrative to tell you what he's doing over there. Might be because he's ashamed of what he is doing compared to what he's getting paid. If I were sweeping floors and making $30/hr on taxpayers money, I'd be ashamed myself.
You want him to cut defense programs? Isn't that the opposite of what journey and all the other war lovers want? Hey, I think that's a great idea. Let's start with the largest defense program that's open-ended and over budget -- IRAQ. At least the latest headlines are saying the Iraqi government wants us out by 2010. Someone has a sensible head on their shoulders.

His past association say otherwise.McCain will appoint Judges that adhere to the US Constitution and no judges that rule from the bench thing that they believe are fair
What makes you think Obama won't do this? All you're going by is what journey and all the other right-wing bloggers are saying. Show me specifics on what type of Supreme Court judge he would nominate.

bionicarm;2821653 said:
*He won't march down the path of Stalin
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
Shareing the Weath is more of marching down the path of Karl Marx
Love how you want to compare the guy to a Communist. Go look at some of McCain's plans. They reek as much Socialism as Obama's. You just like to twist the facts on those, because they don't fit your agenda.
 

1journeyman

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I've said before I'm proud to be over here..
I also said McCain won't cut billions in R&D for the military...
Please show me some of McCain's plans that reek of Socialism as bad as Obamas.
Again, as I noted earlier, at least the Obama fans are beginning to admit he is a Socialist.
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
Journey, someone closed the door on your brain, locked it, and threw away the key. No matter how many times I've explained Ayers, you refuse to understand the logic and what it means that he didn't have a close relationship with the guy. It's done. Give it up. You're not going to convince anyone on this miniscule forum to change their minds this late in the game.
I am convinced Obama is at the very least a lier.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
What will McCain do?
*He won't cut billions in military R&D.
Why not? Talk about pork barrel spending. How about eliminate inflated government contracts that pay individuals like you exhorbinant amounts of money for doing menial jobs?

McCain has stated on numerous occasions he will end open ended defence contracts that run way over budget
I can speak for Journeyman but he is doing a good thing and i find you comments about the"Menial Jobs" American men and women are doing offensive.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
*He won't appoint activist judges
No you want him to appooint one that will lean towards your ultra conservative values. Sorry, I want an unbiased judge, who doesn't lean either left or right.

Obama will appoint Judges he deems fair not the one that will follow the US Constitution
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2821653
*He won't march down the path of Stalin
All subjective. That's your right-wing beliefs talking. Which to me are baseless.

No hell march us down the path of Karl Marx first .
Originally Posted by bionicarm

iew Post">*He won't promote Civi Rights issues to "redistribute wealth"
Again you listening to some interview snippets from 6 years ago, and apply your right-wing misinterpretations to them. Learn to not take every spoken word so literally, and twist them to benefit your agenda.

That is what he said 6 years ago and a few weeks ago
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821653
*He wont' sit down with world leaders that call us the devil and vow to use nuclear weapons on us and our allies.
Please. If McCain gets elected, he'll just push 'The Big Red Button' on anyone that disagrees with him. So destruction of the entire world is a better option to you?

That's not what he said.He said he would sit down with Iran and others without preconditions
Originally Posted by bionicarm
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*He won't bow to the UN.
The UN is an arbitrator. Trying to assist in keeping peace around this world. You like the idea of having the US 'show their muscle'. Unfortunately, all that does is drag us into continual and useless wars that benefit no one.

The UN is corrupt, outdated,and useless.It should be dissolved or overhauled
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2821653
How will he pay for it? First by cutting pork barrel spending.
Define pork barrel spending. Magical buzz words he's never explained. Give me specific programs this relates to. You're talking about the US Congress. Pork barrel spending and pet projects are what keep these people in office for 40 years, letting them live the high life. You think the PAC's and lobbyist will allow Congress to cut off the hands that feed them? How's he gonna do it? Remember, DEMOCRATIC-LED HOUSE AND SENATE. You think any of these guys will let him walk in an kill their cash cows? Go smoke some more of that Iraqi hashish.

VETO!VETO!VETO All things that are not essential to the people of The United States of America.
Originally Posted by bionicarm

der="0" alt="View Post">Second, by allowing business to flourish and therefore pay more in taxes (not by increasing taxes but by tax on increased revenue).
How are businesses going to flourish when all of them are sending their manufacturing processes overseas? We're in a recession dude. Businesses are just trying to stay afloat. What magical powers does McCaint have that will allow these businesses to flourish? How will he get them to flourish? I want specifics. Not political double talk. Show me specific programs and initiatives he will implement.

Fist off we are not technically in a recession,a recession is defined by 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth.
McCain want to cut taxes for every one cut Cap Gains Tax and provide a more business friendly enviroment through less taxation.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
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Third, by cutting unneccessary programs and spending
Yet again, more political double talk. What programs, what spending? Defer to my answer above. How's he gonna get Congress to pass them? HE ISN'T.

See above :VETO!VETO!VETO! And then make public why and who
 

veni vidi vici

Active Member

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821743
Give me a break. I'm not talking about the men and women in the military. I'm talking about the contractors that leach off the tax payers making ridiculous salaries for cooking food, managing housing, janitorial work, etc. Don't bother justifying journey's cause. He's too secrative to tell you what he's doing over there. Might be because he's ashamed of what he is doing compared to what he's getting paid. If I were sweeping floors and making $30/hr on taxpayers money, I'd be ashamed myself.


A Union Laborer makes more than that for driving a broom or shovel .What do you say about that?Independent contractors are providing a service in a hostile environment that is a necessity do in part by the actions of the Democratic party.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821743
You want him to cut defense programs? Isn't that the opposite of what journey and all the other war lovers want? Hey, I think that's a great idea. Let's start with the largest defense program that's open-ended and over budget -- IRAQ. At least the latest headlines are saying the Iraqi government wants us out by 2010. Someone has a sensible head on their shoulders.
Like i said McCain said he would cut OPEN ENDED OVER BUDGET DEFENCE CONTRACTS.not defence spending.Lets quote what i said and Mcain said correct. IRAQ is not a defense program ,its a war.One that we are winning unless Obama gets his way
Originally Posted by bionicarm

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His past association say otherwise.McCain will appoint Judges that adhere to the US Constitution and no judges that rule from the bench thing that they believe are fair
What makes you think Obama won't do this? All you're going by is what journey and all the other right-wing bloggers are saying. Show me specifics on what type of Supreme Court judge he would nominate.

Go back and listen to what he said in his radio interview in Chicago and answer your own question.
Originally Posted by bionicarm

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*He won't march down the path of Stalin
Love how you want to compare the guy to a Communist. Go look at some of McCain's plans. They reek as much Socialism as Obama's. You just like to twist the facts on those, because they don't fit your agenda.

McCain hasnt surrounded himself with people such as ;
Frank Marshall Davis: Obamas self proclaimed mentor and Communist
William Ayers:Self proclaimed Socialist and Marxist
Rev Wright:Hater of America
And on and on and PLO rep. and on father Flager the fruit cake and on Farrakhan and on Tony Rezco :Felon and on and on His Dad was a Communist and on .....
 

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Obama's Father:
Presto Pundit has found a 1965 paper written by Obama’s father, in which he advocates:
— 100% taxation
— communal farms / the elimination of private farming
— the nationalization of businesses owned by “Europeans” and “Asians”.
— “active” measures to bring about a classless society.

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