I just don't get how this guy might be the next leader of the Free World

el guapo

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821656
Just read my earlier posts in this thread. I've already stated his health care plan. You just want to rant the pro-McCain rhetoric instead of validating the two candidates stances on these issues. Took me 5 minutes to find these threads. Too lazy to look them up yourself?


Ouch just a little hostile aren't you
I guess I must have hit a nerve .

I would honestly take the time to point out all the flaws in your argument but I can tell from your post history your only here to argue and stir the pot. So I won't waste my time , Nor will I stoop to insulting you in return .
Calling people names is not the best way to get them to see your side of a view .
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2821781
A Union Laborer makes more than that for driving a broom or shovel .What do you say about that?Independent contractors are providing a service in a hostile environment that is a necessity do in part by the actions of the Democratic party.
Like i said McCain said he would cut OPEN ENDED OVER BUDGET DEFENCE CONTRACTS.not defence spending.Lets quote what i said and Mcain said correct. IRAQ is not a defense program ,its a war.One that we are winning unless Obama gets his way
Go back and listen to what he said in his radio interview in Chicago and answer your own question.
McCain hasnt surrounded himself with people such as ;
Frank Marshall Davis: Obamas self proclaimed mentor and Communist
William Ayers:Self proclaimed Socialist and Marxist
Rev Wright:Hater of America
And on and on and PLO rep. and on father Flager the fruit cake and on Farrakhan and on Tony Rezco :Felon and on and on His Dad was a Communist and on .....
Your last staement proves how uninformed you are, and how you let blogs like this sway your views. He hasn't 'surrounded' himself with any of the individuals you listed. He had brief associations with all of them, with the exception of Wright, which he distanced himself from once the guy went rogue. McCain hasn't had a rosey past. But if you list some of the nut cases he was associated with, you just blow them off as 'the Democrats just throwin' dirt'.
Sorry, Iraq is a Conflict, not a war. Bush just describes it that way to justify it. Great McCain will cut open ended over budget defense contracts. That should put journey out of a job.
 

bionicarm

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From Factcheck.org:
McCain: The "Welfare" Man Cometh
Since our last roundup of whoppers, Joe the Plumber has joined the cast, and Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to him has been made infamous by John McCain. In fact, in Obama's exchange with Joe, he was simply talking about making the nation's progressive tax system a bit more progressive by cutting taxes for most while raising them on top earners. McCain himself has defended progressive taxation in the past.
Also, McCain began denigrating Obama's proposed refundable tax credits as "welfare." But refundable tax credits are a key feature of McCain's own health care plan, except that he calls them "reform." In an early version of Obama's plan, only a tiny portion of his tax credits would have gone to anyone who didn't work, and advisers quickly announced that they had added a work requirement even for that one (a tax credit to benefit homeowners who don't itemize deductions).
Two outside groups joined McCain in the tax attack. But one of them, Let Freedom Ring, pulled its ad off the air rather than defend its false assertion that Obama had voted to raise taxes on "100% of America." An ad by another independent group, RightChange.com, says that Obama's plan would hike taxes on "many small businesses" to 62 percent. That's a ridiculously inflated figure that includes the state tax rate paid by people making more than $1 million annually in California.
Meanwhile, McCain has continued to broadcast, in speeches and ads, his most harped-upon deception of the campaign, telling voters that Obama favored higher taxes on "families making over $42,000 a year." As we've said ad nauseam, Obama's plan would raise taxes only on individuals making more than $200,000 a year, or couples or families making more than $250,000.
 

bionicarm

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McCain: Obama and the "Terrorist"
A McCain TV ad says Obama "lied" about his association with Bill Ayers, a former member of the radical, bomb-setting, anti-Vietnam War Weather Underground group. In a Web ad, McCain says the two are "friends" who have "worked together for years." GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin has said repeatedly on the stump that Ayers and Obama "pal around" together. And in a large-scale robo-call effort, McCain's campaign implied that Obama "worked closely" with Ayers in the latter's earlier, Weather Underground days.
But nothing Obama said about Ayers has been shown to be untrue. All available evidence indicates the two know each other but are not close. They met in 1995, when Obama was asked to head the board of a school reform group, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, that Ayers had helped start. The organization, formed to dispense grants in an effort to improve the city's schools, was hardly radical; its board included a number of well-regarded Chicago establishment types. Also, Obama and Ayers overlapped for two years on the board of another foundation, and Ayers hosted a coffee in his home when Obama was running for the Illinois state Legislature.
Ayers is unrepentant about his past, and Obama doesn't excuse him, calling his acts as a Weatherman "despicable." But in Chicago, Ayers isn't seen as all that controversial. He's now a professor of education and was named a Chicago Citizen of the Year in 1997 for his work on school reform.
 

bionicarm

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Garbage Barrage
An upstart group with an official-sounding name, the National Republican Trust PAC, emerged from the shadows in late September and claims to have raised nearly $7 million for a barrage of ads in the final weekend before Election Day. The "Republican" group actually has no formal connection to the Republican Party, and the first ad it aired is one of the sleaziest attacks we've seen. It flashes on screen the driver's license of 9/11 terrorist Mohammed Atta and claims Obama has a "plan" to give licenses to illegal aliens. Never mind that Obama says he's not proposing drivers' permits for non-legal immigrants, or that the 9/11 terrorists didn't need driver's licenses to board aircraft (their passports would have done just fine) or that Atta had actually been granted a visa and had been allowed to enter the country legally. This group doesn't let facts stand in the way of a smear.
There's more. The spot also alleges that Obama's health plan will cover illegal immigrants. Wrong again. Obama has quite explicitly ruled out coverage for those who are here illegally. Nor does he propose granting Social Security benefits to illegal immigrants, as the ad also claims.
 

bionicarm

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Financial Crisis? Blame Someone!
There's nothing like a good disaster to bring on the finger-pointing. With the financial system in a tailspin, MoveOn.org seized the moment to hammer on former Sen. Phil Gramm, a onetime McCain economic adviser, for cosponsoring a 1999 bill repealing some regulations on financial institutions. But the bill had broad bipartisan support, passing the House 362-57, the Senate 90-8; Democratic President Bill Clinton signed it into law. Did it "strip the safeguards that would have protected us," as the ad charges? Actually, economists of various political stripes – as well as Clinton – have credited the law with cushioning some of the blows of the recent troubles.
A McCain ad turns the tables by saying the Republican candidate tried in vain to "rein in" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the institutions whose underwriting of too many risky home mortgages contributed to the meltdown. Obama was "notably silent," the ad says, and "Democrats blocked the reforms." Actually, Republicans never brought the bill up for consideration on the floor; they controlled the Senate at the time. And besides, McCain signed on to the 2005 bill too late for it to have made any difference.
The game caught on in congressional ads, too, where even more ludicrous factual contortions took place in order to parcel out blame. In one ad, a Republican state legislator who's running for a House seat is tied to the crisis and the $700 billion bailout for doing nothing more than going on record supporting Bush's tax cuts; the candidate has never even served in public office at the national level.
 

bionicarm

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McCain: The ACORN Fables
In another attempt to paint groups and people with whom Obama has some connection in as unsavory a light as possible, McCain has gone after the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now. And we've gone after him, for an ad accusing the group of "massive voter fraud" and for saying in the final presidential debate that ACORN is "now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."
Both claims are breathtakingly inaccurate. There's a huge difference between voter fraud and voter registration fraud. And while ACORN, which hires part-time, $8-an-hour canvassers to go door-to-door and register people to vote, has had widespread problems with phony registrations invented by employees who don't want to work, the problem has never been that it sent people to the polls using bogus identities or to vote in any other fraudulent manner. Even the Republican prosecutor of the largest ACORN case to date said the shenanigans of ACORN workers were "not intended to permit illegal voting."
To be sure, Obama's interactions with the group have been greater than he has let on. But whether those ties can accurately be called "long and deep," as McCain's ad claims, is highly questionable.
 

bionicarm

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Health Care Hardball
Understanding the candidates' health care plans may seem almost as difficult as convincing your insurer to pay for an annual physical. And it's not made any easier when Obama and McCain misrepresent each other's proposals. We found an Obama ad perpetrating the whopper that McCain's plan contains the "largest middle-class tax increase in history." It's true that McCain would, for the first time, require workers to pay federal income tax on the value of their employer-provided health insurance. But that's offset by the tax credits he'd provide of up to $2,500 per individual and $5,000 per couple or family – and most people would come out ahead.
But the McCain campaign and Republican National Committee have gone after Obama's plan with a gigantic deception of their own, which they offered in a radio ad we dissected. Obama would "rob 50 million employees of their health coverage," the ad says. We flagged that statement for grossly mischaracterizing an analysis of a plan that wasn't even Obama's. In reality, two prominent studies found that Obama's plan would produce a net increase in the number of employees with health coverage through their jobs. Under McCain, according to the same studies, there would be a net decrease.
In addition, McCain has repeatedly said that Obama wants to "take over the health care of America," as he said in the third debate between the candidates. "[H]is object is a single-payer system." That's not true, either. While the Democrat has remarked that he'd probably favor a single-payer design if he were building a health care system from scratch, he's said several times that at this point, it makes more sense to improve what's currently in place – and that's what his plan would aim to do
 

bionicarm

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Too many to mention, really, but here's a sampling of the other distortions and falsehoods we've run into in the closing weeks:
* The National Rifle Association opened fire on Obama with ads claiming he voted to ban deer-hunting ammunition (not true) and voted to "make you the criminal" for using a handgun in self-defense (a serious distortion of a vote to uphold enforcement of local gun bans in Illinois).
NRA Targets Obama September 22
The Rifle Association's 'True Story' October 23
* The liberal group VoteVets.org became the first to make two of our "Whoppers" lists (2006 and 2008) with the same false ad. It recycled its baseless claim that Republican senators – in this case, North Carolina's Elizabeth Dole – voted to deny body armor to U.S. troops in Iraq.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...rue_story.html
 

groupergenius

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Nice cut and paste job there.....should have thrown a couple Caribou Barbie or Bushites in there to make it look like your own.
 

veni vidi vici

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LMAO

Here is Factcheck .org:
The fact is, the ANNENBERG Public Policy Center (APPC), the sponsoring agency behind FastCheck.org, is itself supported by the same foundation, the ANNENBERG FOUNDATION, that Bill Ayers secured the 49.2 million dollars from to create the Chicago ANNENBERG Challenge “philanthropic” organization in which Barack Obama was the founding Chairman of the Board for and Ayers served as the grant writer of and co-Chair of for its two operating arms.
Does the LEFT have no conscience at all?
You left out McCain is the Anti Christ

Here right off their siteThe APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation
 

groupergenius

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Bionicarm, you have been here at SWF for 6 months. You have actually posted more than 500 posts, but yet your post count top right says 14.
That's because you spend ALL your time here in The Aquarium debating politics and such. You also have your user setup to show you as offline all the time. Suspicious at best.
Why is that Bionicarm??? Is it really necessary to be on a forum such as SWF to do your job?
 

veni vidi vici

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LOL i wonder if Ayers and Obama wrote all that themselves bionicarm?
That is way to funny i would have thought you would at least have found a better source than that

Annenberg challenge
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2821923
Bionicarm, you have been here at SWF for 6 months. You have actually posted more than 500 posts, but yet your post count top right says 14.
That's because you spend ALL your time here in The Aquarium debating politics and such. You also have your user setup to show you as offline all the time. Suspicious at best.
Why is that Bionicarm??? Is it really necessary to be on a forum such as SWF to do your job?

The 'cut and paste' was done from a Newsweek article. They obtained the information from Factcheck.org. So I guess Newsweek is out of touch as well..
You guys are good. All I do is 'cut and paste' the FACTS of all of your conspiracy theories, and the best you can do is come back with personal attacks. At least you're true to your Party's ideologies. Take them for what they are, FACTS. Sorry you can't handle the truth. Keep believing the lies if you want, your perogative. People with closed minds like yourselves are what's bringing this country down and into the dumpsters. THAT'S REALITY.
Dude. I don't have a clue what you're talking about. I have no idea what my 'count type' is, or why it's at the number it's at. I don't operate this forum. Apparently your buddy journey does, ask him. I also don't know what being 'offline' means. Again, ask the people who run the board. As I've stated numerous times before, I look at ALL the other forums any time I come here. Pretty much any of the topics I'm familiar with have already been discussed or remedied multiple times over before I read them. That's the thing with the other boards here. Most of them only require a specific reply to provide an answer to the solution. How many times do you have to tell someone that the 'red looking stuff that's covering my sand' is cyano? How many times do you have to tell someone that the 'small white specs covering the side of their Tang' is most likely ich? Specific answers. The topics in the Aquarium are open-ended. There's rarely a simple 'yes' or 'no' answer to the questions or topics. Sure my count is high. We've been discussing one of the most heated Presidential elections since Bush/Gore. I have input that supports my candidate. I personally don't go poking around yours, journey's, or any of the other people who disagree with my opinions to see what their 'Post Counts' are. Why? BECAUSE I DON'T FRICKING CARE!!!
Jesus, you run stupid conspiracies on everything. Here's one for you. Like I said, I'm part owner of an Internet Security Firm. Our specialty is hacking into systems to find their vulnerabilities, and report back to the client on how they can 'plug the holes' to avoid an eliminate illegal attacks and intrusions. We've been doing it for the military for several years now. I have people over in the Middle East fixing systems right now that were 'breached'. I have hack tools available to me you wouldn't believe. Ever watch that Will Smith movie when he was being dogged by the NSA? Been there, done that. There's you a conspiracy...
Are you actually an MD? If you are, please tell me where you practice. I want to make sure I'm never in your town and get seriously injured.
 

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821977
I have people over in the Middle East fixing systems right now that were 'breached'. I have hack tools available to me you wouldn't believe. Ever watch that Will Smith movie when he was being dogged by the NSA? Been there, done that. There's you a conspiracy...
Are you actually an MD? If you are, please tell me where you practice. I want to make sure I'm never in your town and get seriously injured.
And I assume "your" people in the middle east are making the same or less $$$ than the folks stateside
And where the F do you keep coming up with me as a Doctor?????
 

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2821977
The 'cut and paste' was done from a Newsweek article. They obtained the information from Factcheck.org. So I guess Newsweek is out of touch as well..
You guys are good. All I do is 'cut and paste' the FACTS of all of your conspiracy theories, and the best you can do is come back with personal attacks.
bionicarm i dont attack you personally,i respect your right to support a Socialist/Communist/Marxist if you like
.
But come on man Factcheck.org?Did you really think anyone would consider them credible?
 
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