I just don't get how this guy might be the next leader of the Free World

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vinnyraptor

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Life - nowhere in the constitution does it cover abortion or the rights of the unborn. it was meant that EVERY american has the right to live a healthy long productive life. it can easily be interpreted that that means HEALTH you cant have a productive life if your ill and have no care. it can be interpreted that these means a good paying job. you cant have a good life without money.
Liberty - i agree. freedom of religion, gun ownership, oppressive government, and speech. i will argue where is Obama against any of these things? name one time he was against religious choice or practice. he's against the fairness doctrine regarding speech assuming thats what you were refering to. as far as guns he wants background checks and laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals not hunters and homeowners, CRIMINALS! if you think your gonna be oppressed because he's going to allow the Bush tax cut to expire.... booo hooo.
Pursuit of Happiness - this is to guarenteed to ALL americans not just those from suburban america ALL americans. it's nearly impossible for most people now. college and healthcare are simply too expensive for alot of people. manufacturing jobs and I.T. jobs have nearly all been outsourced. our veterans dont have adequate care, our seniors have to make a choice between food or medicine. our schools are a joke. so tell me unless your exceptional how is one from a low income family supposed to make it in this country nowadays?
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2819380
Yes it is...
Life- You Libs quickly forget this when the topic of Abortion comes up. Suddenly "life" is replaced with "choice". Under the Constitution you are guaranteed certain rights that allow you life. The word "life" doesn't in any way imply "being sustained by the Government's coffers"
Liberty- Like religion in public, gun ownership, freedom from oppressive taxation, freedom of speech? All of these things your candidate is against.
Pursuit of Happiness- The Government allows you to pursue it. It does not guarantee it.
I literally am down on my knees begging you to debate this with me. I am begging you to show me how my comments are in any way unConstitutional. Please... Let's take them point by point.
 
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vinnyraptor

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its up to the government to make sure EVERYONE has a equal and FAIR shot no?
Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2818888
The government has been doing just that. But really read what you just wrote...the PURSUIT of happiness. It's not a guarantee that every person will be successful, rich, or happy. It's up to each individual to make something of themselves.
 
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vinnyraptor

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yeah but it is the government's job to "bail out" banks and insurance companies! your a joke.
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2818176
Here is what you're not getting...
It is NOT the Government's job to provide health care.
It is NOT the Government's job to regulate the job market. If Joe can't compete globally then he needs to get a different job.
It is NOT the Government's job to put a poor kid through college. Plenty of poor college students put down the beer and get a job or two to pay for it themselves.
It is not the Government's job to punish the rich to give to the poor. The rich got the largest tax break because they were paying the largest amount.
It is NOT the Government's job to keep a family in a house they can't afford.
It is not the Government's job to provide for a family of 4 making $45,000 a year. Here's a novel concept; don't have 2 kids if you and your wife are pulling in $20,000 a piece. Obviously you aren't ready for a family.
It is the Government's job to enforce treaties and provide for the National Defense.
 
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darthtang aw

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How do they not have equal and fair shakes?
and I do not believe journey ever agreed with the bailout. Who is the joke? nice name calling by the way....couldn't resist could you.
 
groupergenius

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2819693
its up to the government to make sure EVERYONE has a equal and FAIR shot no?
Equal and fair shot....why is it that some of my old classmates are in jail, some are scraping by (like myself) and some are rolling in the big bucks?
The beauty of this Country is that it gives you the opportunity. It's up to each individual to make their own destiny. Obama himself, raised by a single mom and his Grandmother, got this darn far in life. Did it happen with the policies he's trying to put in place? Or was it there all along....life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2819658
No.
What I'm saying is we should never let the Democrats control anything ever.
But we should let the Republicans right? Like they've done such a great job the last 8 years (not counting the last two).
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2819678
Life - nowhere in the constitution does it cover abortion or the rights of the unborn. it was meant that EVERY american has the right to live a healthy long productive life. it can easily be interpreted that that means HEALTH you cant have a productive life if your ill and have no care. it can be interpreted that these means a good paying job. you cant have a good life without money.
Liberty - i agree. freedom of religion, gun ownership, oppressive government, and speech. i will argue where is Obama against any of these things? name one time he was against religious choice or practice. he's against the fairness doctrine regarding speech assuming thats what you were refering to. as far as guns he wants background checks and laws to keep guns out of the hands of criminals not hunters and homeowners, CRIMINALS! if you think your gonna be oppressed because he's going to allow the Bush tax cut to expire.... booo hooo.
Pursuit of Happiness - this is to guarenteed to ALL americans not just those from suburban america ALL americans. it's nearly impossible for most people now. college and healthcare are simply too expensive for alot of people. manufacturing jobs and I.T. jobs have nearly all been outsourced. our veterans dont have adequate care, our seniors have to make a choice between food or medicine. our schools are a joke. so tell me unless your exceptional how is one from a low income family supposed to make it in this country nowadays?
Life- So where does life begin? You tell me that and I'll agree an unborn American isn't protected. You say an unborn American doesn't have the right to life, then make up a bunch of other definitions as to what the word "life" means to include your agenda. Everyone in the USA has the right to life. The quality of life is up to you. Don't even try to tell me the founding fathers in 1187 were thinking about universal healthcare.
Liberty- Remember Obama's "clinging to their religion" comment? Remember when Obama said he would make illegal the selling, manufacturing, and possession of handguns? Remember when Obama has repeatedly threatened radio and news stations with lawsuits for running commercials and doing interviews with people critical of him?
Pursuit of Happiness- How is it impossible for most Americans? That is absurd. A low income family member can do it the way countless others have.. I might take working 60 hours a week at a retail store in a mall for a couple of years...
Are you trying to tell em poor people have never put themselves through College?
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2819700
... your a joke.
Actually, it should be "you're a joke". If you are going to break the rules of the forum and use personal attacks for the love of the English language please do so properly.
It will still earn you a warning on your account...
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2819796
But we should let the Republicans right? Like they've done such a great job the last 8 years (not counting the last two).

Yup. Exactly.
The Government, for the last 8 years, was too liberal; Not too Conservative. We need smaller Government, stronger military, less interference and regulation, less taxes, and a better work ethic.
There is one political party that fits that description...
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2819871
Yup. Exactly.
The Government, for the last 8 years, was too liberal; Not too Conservative. We need smaller Government, stronger military, less interference and regulation, less taxes, and a better work ethic.
There is one political party that fits that description...
Well at least your honest.. You're dreaming if you think that'll ever happen again, but I suppose you can live that fantasy if you want. It's the over-the-top Ultra Conservatives like you that make me afraid.. very afraid...
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2819865
Actually, it should be "you're a joke". If you are going to break the rules of the forum and use personal attacks for the love of the English language please do so properly.
It will still earn you a warning on your account...
I love it when the Mods wheel their power and threaten someone. "You're a joke" is insulting to you and considered a personal attack? Let me go pull up 20 or so posts here recently of what people have called or insinuated to me. I could have half the people that post in this forum 'earn a warning on their account'.
I've always wondered. How do you manage to get selected to be a Mod God on this site anyway? Do you have a part ownership, or do you just personally know the people who own this site?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2819860
Life- So where does life begin? You tell me that and I'll agree an unborn American isn't protected. You say an unborn American doesn't have the right to life, then make up a bunch of other definitions as to what the word "life" means to include your agenda. Everyone in the USA has the right to life. The quality of life is up to you. Don't even try to tell me the founding fathers in 1187 were thinking about universal healthcare.
Liberty- Remember Obama's "clinging to their religion" comment? Remember when Obama said he would make illegal the selling, manufacturing, and possession of handguns? Remember when Obama has repeatedly threatened radio and news stations with lawsuits for running commercials and doing interviews with people critical of him?
Pursuit of Happiness- How is it impossible for most Americans? That is absurd. A low income family member can do it the way countless others have.. I might take working 60 hours a week at a retail store in a mall for a couple of years...
Are you trying to tell em poor people have never put themselves through College?
What founding fathers were around in 1187? You talking about Leif Ericson? I'm assuming that's a typo, but I don't see that even close to 1776. You having to type in the dark over there?
 
groupergenius

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2820220
I love it when the Mods wheel their power and threaten someone. "You're a joke" is insulting to you and considered a personal attack? Let me go pull up 20 or so posts here recently of what people have called or insinuated to me. I could have half the people that post in this forum 'earn a warning on their account'.
I've always wondered. How do you manage to get selected to be a Mod God on this site anyway? Do you have a part ownership, or do you just personally know the people who own this site?

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2820224
What founding fathers were around in 1187? You talking about Leif Ericson? I'm assuming that's a typo, but I don't see that even close to 1776. You having to type in the dark over there?
yield......I mean wheel is spelled correctly, it just doesn't seem to fit in the situation.
 
jaymz

jaymz

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2819353
What kind of job do you have that pays so little you pay more than 50% of your income to insurance? Unless a person is uninsurable that is crazy.

I dont pay 50% of my income in insurance, I pay about what, 22% like everyone else. you can go ahead and double it if my family can be medically insured and schooling is free. THEN my friend we can have stay at home parents when all the bread winner has to provide is food and clothing. Everything else is a luxury. Stay at home parents raises the amount of children being raised with some sense and direction.
 
groupergenius

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Jaymz
http:///forum/post/2820263
I dont pay 50% of my income in insurance, I pay about what, 22% like everyone else. you can go ahead and double it if my family can be medically insured and schooling is free. THEN my friend we can have stay at home parents when all the bread winner has to provide is food and clothing. Everything else is a luxury. Stay at home parents raises the amount of children being raised with some sense and direction.
So your good with paying 22% x 2 of your income for insurance and schooling? Lets work this out, shall we? So now 44% is going to insurance and school. And depending on income is tax bracket. Let's use $50,000 a year. And you have a family. Congratulations, the kids are cute.
So, $50,000 - 44% insurance/schooling is now $28,000. $2333 a month.
Food and clothing is all you need? No rent, electric, water, heat oil, gas for your car, car insurance, ya'll might want to consider having the cable TV shut off so ya can have a phone.
 
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