I just don't get how this guy might be the next leader of the Free World

sickboy

sickboy

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/2818115
So, I don't get it because I started working at McDOnalds, worked hard in high school. Earned a chemistry degree, then a medical degree. I did a residency and overall gave up 12 years of my life after high school. I'm an evil rich person? I'm not a "working person"? I'm to be hated and punished by a gov't that thinks it knows better than me what to do with MY TIME, MONEY and LABOR? My pursuit of excellence is for nothing?
Continue to think like the good socialist you are. Then like New York, when all the "rich" folks leave your Govenor will be asking for more money for your state too.
Actually, Oscar, I think you're getting the short end of the stick too. I understand why you support who you do, but IMO (if your bio is true= ER doc) you should be given a tax break regardless of income if you don't own the ER. You are right, you worked your behind off to get that MD (or whatever). My father was told he wasn't smart enough to go to college and then earned his way through the same thing. Why should you get that credit IMO?? Because you perform a major societal need that does require sacrifice, heck you could have just gotten a bachelors in business and not actually provided a real 'service' and made as much.
*Before you business people jump on me, I will be graduating with an Econ degree, I'm one of you. I'm just being honest as to my view on 'worth' in the economy. Goods v. Health.
 
sickboy

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2818755
Are you kidding me? Common sense says to ask how is all this going to get paid for, currently your proposals ADD to our deficit forcing our children to owe more money. Common sense says balance your budget before you run out and start giving away more stuff....
:clear throat: Bush!
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2818755
Common sense? You are voting for the guy, that not once this entire campaign has said the words "balance the budget". And you speak to me of common sense? Give me a break.
Come on people, don't let FauxNews be your only source, its just like letting BSNBC be your only source. He HAS mentioned it several times....
 
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ITS THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB AND CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO PROVIDE LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS TO ALL OF ITS CITIZENS!!!!
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2818176
Here is what you're not getting...
It is NOT the Government's job to provide health care.
It is NOT the Government's job to regulate the job market. If Joe can't compete globally then he needs to get a different job.
It is NOT the Government's job to put a poor kid through college. Plenty of poor college students put down the beer and get a job or two to pay for it themselves.
It is not the Government's job to punish the rich to give to the poor. The rich got the largest tax break because they were paying the largest amount.
It is NOT the Government's job to keep a family in a house they can't afford.
It is not the Government's job to provide for a family of 4 making $45,000 a year. Here's a novel concept; don't have 2 kids if you and your wife are pulling in $20,000 a piece. Obviously you aren't ready for a family.
It is the Government's job to enforce treaties and provide for the National Defense.
 
groupergenius

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2818874
ITS THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB AND CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY TO PROVIDE LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS TO ALL OF ITS CITIZENS!!!!

The government has been doing just that. But really read what you just wrote...the PURSUIT of happiness. It's not a guarantee that every person will be successful, rich, or happy. It's up to each individual to make something of themselves.
 
geridoc

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Originally Posted by jennythebugg
http:///forum/post/2818381
Notice to All Employees
As of November 5, 2008, when President Obama is officially elected into
office, our company will install a few new policies which are in keeping
with his new, inspiring issues of change and fairness:
1. All salespeople will be pooling their sales commissions into a common
pool that will be divided equally between all of you. This will serve to
give those of you who are underachieving a "fair shake."
2. All hourly employees will be pooling their wages, including overtime,
into a common pool, dividing it equally amongst yourselves. This will help
those who are "too busy for overtime" to reap the rewards from those who
have more spare time and can work extra hours.
3. All top management will now be referred to as "the government." We will
not participate in this "pooling" experience because the law doesn't apply
to us.
4. The "government" will give eloquent speeches to all employees every week,
encouraging its workers to continue to work hard "for the good of all."
5. The employees will be thrilled with these new policies because it's "good
to spread the wealth." Those of you who have underachieved will finally get
an opportunity; those of you who have worked hard and had success will feel
more "patriotic."
6. The last few people who were hired should clean out their desks. Don't
feel bad though, because President Obama will give you free healthcare, free
handouts, free oil for heating your home, free food stamps, and he'll let
you stay in your home for as long as you want even if you can't pay your

[hr]
. If you appeal directly to our democratic congress, you might even
get a free flat screen TV and a coupon for free haircuts (shouldn't all
Americans be entitled to nice looking hair?) !!!
The problem with reducto ad absurdum humor is that some people will inevitably think that it is meant as serious parody.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2818888
The government has been doing just that. But really read what you just wrote...the PURSUIT of happiness. It's not a guarantee that every person will be successful, rich, or happy. It's up to each individual to make something of themselves.
Are you suggesting that Uncle Sam should not have to give me a Free Turkey and a Mercedes and a wheel barrel full of someone else's cash? And that if i want to make a good life for myself and my family i have to work hard and earn these things?
What kind of country is this?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2818250
That last ounce of respect I may have had for you...it's gone.
Never expected respect from you or wanted it. I speak my mind, and what I think. You just spout the norm and follow all the other lemmings off the cliff. Don't like my views, tough.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2818357
LOL, a wise economics Professor once told me, "if your under 25 and not a democrat you don't have a heart, if you make over $100,000 a year and not a Republican, you don't have a brain", I was just curious if you fit into one of those categories.

So you have to be Republican to know how to manage your assets? Now that's a moronic statement. What school did that economic professor teach at, ITT Technical Institute?
The profits from my part ownership of my company does pay me well. But if you know how to manage those assets, you can actually decrease your taxes. Something I imagine this economics professor didn't teach you.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2818951
So you have to be Republican to know how to manage your assets? Now that's a moronic statement. What school did that economic professor teach at, ITT Technical Institute?
The profits from my part ownership of my company does pay me well. But if you know how to manage those assets, you can actually decrease your taxes. Something I imagine this economics professor didn't teach you.
Don'T you know its "Patriotic" to pay your taxes and not use tax loopholes? Didn't your VP candidate teach you that?
 
prime311

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2818195
I wonder how many of them died hoping one day we would be a Socialist Nation?

Oh give me a break. The US is not socialist nor will it be under Obama. You vastly overestimate the impact one president can have on our system. If you think we're going to be socialist under Obama then you must believe that we already are.
 
kingsmith

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2818955
Don'T you know its "Patriotic" to pay your taxes and not use tax loopholes? Didn't your VP candidate teach you that?
There is a big difference between Tax Avoidance and Tax Evasion, and no its not unAmerican to take advantage of Tax laws that are set up to lower someones Tax Burden, besides when I get my CPA how will I make money if there are no "Loopholes"
 
prime311

prime311

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/2818357
LOL, a wise economics Professor once told me, "if your under 25 and not a democrat you don't have a heart, if you make over $100,000 a year and not a Republican, you don't have a brain", I was just curious if you fit into one of those categories.


I fit into that category, but then I wanted to vote for Ron Paul.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeymanhttp:///forum/post/2818246
*If insurance is inflated why does everyone want it?
Uh, so they can get healthcare service when they need them? Don't understand what you mean.
*A tax credit is not Socialism.
A tax credit isn't a government handout? Riiiight.
*Your Education comment, ironically, makes no sense.
Tuition Deregulation. It actually happened in the state you claim you live in. A few years back, the state deregulated the tuition fees all state universities could charge. Within the next 5 years, tuition rates more than tripled. What used to cost $2,500 semester to go to UT, now cost almost $7,000. Obama wants to give credits to individuals who want to go to college, in return they have to perform community service for 'payback'. All McCain wants to do is provide them with cheaper loans to pay for the OVERINFLATED tuition rates the schools charge. Which one sounds like a better plan to you?
*Tax comment makes no sense. You seem to be trying to tie in my comments to Obama's tax plan. That is not in any way what I said.
Then what did you imply? You keep saying Obama wants to 'punish the rich to give to the poor'. All he's doing is changing the tax structure so that the middle class pays fewer taxes. Everyone still has to pay taxes. Sure the upper incomes will pay more, but those taxes go back into the government to pay for all these programs they have. You're trying to make it sound like the rich guy gets 35% of his money taken away from him, and Uncle Sam cuts a check and sends that money directly to some poor person. It doesn't work that way. Here's a thought, if we weren't wasting almost $1 trillion on the Iraq Conflict, maybe instead of 35%, the rich would only have to pay 25%. Fewer pork barrel government projects, the less money the government needs, and the less amount of money they need to take from us in taxes.
*Yet again, trying to take my comment regarding housing and apply it to
something I was not addressing.
You said it wasn't the government place to bailout people so they could keep their houses. I simply stated BOTH candidates signed off on that bill that allows this. You apparently are implying only Obama is wanting to do this. Unfortunately, your buddy McCain thinks the same way.
*Nope, don't believe in abortions. You realize there are alternatives to getting pregnant, right? In fact, a little less sleeping around and more working might help quite a few folks to get better jobs and provide for themselves...
What a ridiculous statement. So the whole purpose of living to you is to do nothing but work. Never enjoy life. So in your mind, the entire country should practice abstinance and live their lives doing nothing but work for a living. At least I understand now why you're single.
*Thousands of Al Qaeda have died in Iraq. To me that is not a worthless war. Your results may vary.
No thousands of AMERICAN lives have been lost in your little conflict, and the main person who IS Al-Qaeda is still walking around laughing at us. ANY war is worthless. You apparently don't agree with that.
r />*I'm not profiting on the War.
Funny thing is, i seem to remember you bragging not too long ago about the contract work you did for the military in San Antonio.
Not profiting?
Yea, everyone here in the states is getting paid twice the amount for doing the same job as you. Everyone here in the states doesn't have to pay any taxes on their income if they work where they do for more than two years. Yes, I did have military contracts. And the pay was competitve with the industries we worked in. I guarantee you I didn't get paid the ridiculous amount your company gets for working over there. If I had, the Deficit would be twice what it is today.
*It sounds to me like many of you don't know what the Good Ole USA stands for.
Yea, for you it means rip off your country by being paid ridiculous amounts of money for doing a job that is comparable to one in the Good Ole USA.
If I move to Australia, I'll remain a registered voter in Texas, rest assured.
That's one I disagree with. Move out of the country for more than 5 years, you lose your right to vote in this country. If you're gone that long, you're completely disconnected from what goes on here, and it really doesn't affect you. Why should you be able to vote on anything that doesn't directly affect you? You don't pay taxes here. You don't contribute to the economy. Why should you be allowed to vote?
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/2818991
I fit into that category, but then I wanted to vote for Ron Paul.
So you go from the guy that believes government should not provide anything personal and wants the U.S. to become isolationists...to the extreme side of that view? A guy that wants to provide for all (by taking other people's money) and be involved in talks with every country in the world? How do you do that?
 
prime311

prime311

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2819001
So you go from the guy that believes government should not provide anything personal and wants the U.S. to become isolationists...to the extreme side of that view? A guy that wants to provide for all (by taking other people's money) and be involved in talks with every country in the world? How do you do that?

I don't agree with Obamas econimoic plan and I don't want universal health care. I also don't agree with Mccains and I don't see how his economic plan is any more then the idiotic spend now think later W Bush. They bothhave awful economic policy's and I don't think one is better then the other. I'm voting for Obama because of gay rights, pro-choice, what I feel is more commitment to secondary energy sources, and more commitment to stem cell research. Can you understand that not everyone votes based on economic plan alone? I'd vote for a true republican(believes in small central government and balanced budget) in a heartbeat if such a candidate existed. i will give Mccain this, he at least talks about a balanced budget and reducing wasteful spending, I just don't believe him.
 
veni vidi vici

veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by KingSmith
http:///forum/post/2818984
There is a big difference between Tax Avoidance and Tax Evasion, and no its not unAmerican to take advantage of Tax laws that are set up to lower someones Tax Burden, besides when I get my CPA how will I make money if there are no "Loopholes"
I would argue there is a fine line between Avoidance and Evasion .I would also congratulate you on your choice of careers,but only if Obama gets into office.If he does and you are good, your business is gonna be great,just think of all the "Patriots" out there that will be trying to hide there earnings from" Uncle Spread The Wealth"
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by prime311
http:///forum/post/2819007
I don't agree with Obamas econimoic plan and I don't want universal health care. I also don't agree with Mccains and I don't see how his economic plan is any more then the idiotic spend now think later W Bush. They bothhave awful economic policy's and I don't think one is better then the other. I'm voting for Obama because of gay rights, pro-choice, what I feel is more commitment to secondary energy sources, and more commitment to stem cell research. Can you understand that not everyone votes based on economic plan alone? I'd vote for a true republican(believes in small central government and balanced budget) in a heartbeat if such a candidate existed. i will give Mccain this, he at least talks about a balanced budget and reducing wasteful spending, I just don't believe him.
That I can respect.....and now I understand.
 
kingsmith

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2819008
I would argue there is a fine line between Avoidance and Evasion .I would also congratulate you on your choice of careers,but only if Obama gets into office.If he does and you are good, your business is gonna be great,just think of all the "Patriots" out there that will be trying to hide there earnings from" Uncle Spread The Wealth"
It is a fine line only in the sense that tax laws and all laws for that matter are open to interpretation. However, when you take situations or rulings along the same line or involving the same laws and use those as backing for your interpertation of the Law it is in no way evasion. In fact there are statute of limitations on one's past taxes that if your mistake appears to be ligitmate misiterpertation than the statutes apply to you, but if it is indeed evasion than you can be responsible for those back taxes anytime the rest of your life, basically no statute of limitations on evasion.
 
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