I think America needs FOX NEWS!
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rabbit_72
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Um, since we are talking about GW, when is a little of it coming to Wisconsin?? For the last week, our temps have been in the lower 70's and at night has gone down into the 50's. I looked outside yesterday and asked my hubby why the neighbor's tree was starting to turn a pretty autumn orange! Fall in July! Who would have thunk it, right? And I just bought the kids a wading pool and I can't fill it cuz they would be too cold in it, unless I put them in winter coats!
rabbit_72
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
What, the one with all the names of "scientists"? I'm sorry but I have no idea that they even have studied anything to do with GW, so I can't really trust them.
You asked for names and he provided them. Read up on some of those names. I am sure you could Google them. And you would trust a politician you admitted was a hypocrite rather than a scientist? Yeesh. Why even bother with the conversation anymore?
What, the one with all the names of "scientists"? I'm sorry but I have no idea that they even have studied anything to do with GW, so I can't really trust them.
You asked for names and he provided them. Read up on some of those names. I am sure you could Google them. And you would trust a politician you admitted was a hypocrite rather than a scientist? Yeesh. Why even bother with the conversation anymore?
mike22cha
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Originally Posted by rabbit_72
Um, since we are talking about GW, when is a little of it coming to Wisconsin?? For the last week, our temps have been in the lower 70's and at night has gone down into the 50's. I looked outside yesterday and asked my hubby why the neighbor's tree was starting to turn a pretty autumn orange! Fall in July! Who would have thunk it, right? And I just bought the kids a wading pool and I can't fill it cuz they would be too cold in it, unless I put them in winter coats!
You mustn't know much about global warming then. The hotter the earth gets, the more water gets evaporated, which changes the weather patterns and maybe the seasonal patterns.
In Oklahoma my team and I only got to play half the baseball season becuase we got rained out so much. We've had over a month of rain and have broken a bunch of Oklahoma's rain records.
Um, since we are talking about GW, when is a little of it coming to Wisconsin?? For the last week, our temps have been in the lower 70's and at night has gone down into the 50's. I looked outside yesterday and asked my hubby why the neighbor's tree was starting to turn a pretty autumn orange! Fall in July! Who would have thunk it, right? And I just bought the kids a wading pool and I can't fill it cuz they would be too cold in it, unless I put them in winter coats!
You mustn't know much about global warming then. The hotter the earth gets, the more water gets evaporated, which changes the weather patterns and maybe the seasonal patterns.
In Oklahoma my team and I only got to play half the baseball season becuase we got rained out so much. We've had over a month of rain and have broken a bunch of Oklahoma's rain records.
mike22cha
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Originally Posted by rabbit_72
You asked for names and he provided them. Read up on some of those names. I am sure you could Google them. And you would trust a politician you admitted was a hypocrite rather than a scientist? Yeesh. Why even bother with the conversation anymore?
I would love some one else to follow, but who? There isn't a lot of options and I'll take him over nothing being done against GW.
You asked for names and he provided them. Read up on some of those names. I am sure you could Google them. And you would trust a politician you admitted was a hypocrite rather than a scientist? Yeesh. Why even bother with the conversation anymore?
I would love some one else to follow, but who? There isn't a lot of options and I'll take him over nothing being done against GW.
rabbit_72
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
You mustn't know much about global warming then. The hotter the earth gets, the more water gets evaporated, which changes the weather patterns and maybe the seasonal patterns.
In Oklahoma my team and I only got to play half the baseball season becuase we got rained out so much. We've had over a month of rain and have broken a bunch of Oklahoma's rain records.
I am not a scientists and have never claimed to be. Heck I am not even a brain surgeon, so you will have to excuse me. I have heard the effects of GW and I have heard that weather patterns change due to global warming. I guess that's all I have to say here. I have had to edit myself before anyone could. Good luck and hope you find what you are looking for.
You mustn't know much about global warming then. The hotter the earth gets, the more water gets evaporated, which changes the weather patterns and maybe the seasonal patterns.
In Oklahoma my team and I only got to play half the baseball season becuase we got rained out so much. We've had over a month of rain and have broken a bunch of Oklahoma's rain records.
I am not a scientists and have never claimed to be. Heck I am not even a brain surgeon, so you will have to excuse me. I have heard the effects of GW and I have heard that weather patterns change due to global warming. I guess that's all I have to say here. I have had to edit myself before anyone could. Good luck and hope you find what you are looking for.
rabbit_72
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I never once said that I do not support conservation or the use of alternative energy sources. I strongly support both. If you have ever read anything I have ever posted, you'd see that is true. I also believe that conservation is not a political issue as much as it is a personal issue. I do believe our country needs to find a way to support itself with out having to depend on anything foriegn. Right now, that is not the case. Future generations, including yours can fix that if you so choose to. So that is that. I will continue to do what I can for the enviroment and you do your part.
I will continue to make my descions based on my beliefs and not the media, which is what this thread was about in the first place, the media.
I will continue to make my descions based on my beliefs and not the media, which is what this thread was about in the first place, the media.
mike22cha
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Originally Posted by rabbit_72
I never once said that I do not support conservation or the use of alternative energy sources. I strongly support both. If you have ever read anything I have ever posted, you'd see that is true. I also believe that conservation is not a political issue as much as it is a personal issue. I do believe our country needs to find a way to support itself with out having to depend on anything foriegn. Right now, that is not the case. Future generations, including yours can fix that if you so choose to. So that is that. I will continue to do what I can for the enviroment and you do your part.
I will continue to make my descions based on my beliefs and not the media, which is what this thread was about in the first place, the media.
I never questioned you and what you do. I'm trying to convence anyone I can about GW. It's what I can do since I don't have a car, and probably couldn't afford a hybrid or anything like that when I do turn 16, and don't own a house. I did find this cool thing on ADRA's site, where you can help donate to plant trees in places like South America and Africa to help support the farmers down there, but also help our enviroment.
I never once said that I do not support conservation or the use of alternative energy sources. I strongly support both. If you have ever read anything I have ever posted, you'd see that is true. I also believe that conservation is not a political issue as much as it is a personal issue. I do believe our country needs to find a way to support itself with out having to depend on anything foriegn. Right now, that is not the case. Future generations, including yours can fix that if you so choose to. So that is that. I will continue to do what I can for the enviroment and you do your part.
I will continue to make my descions based on my beliefs and not the media, which is what this thread was about in the first place, the media.
I never questioned you and what you do. I'm trying to convence anyone I can about GW. It's what I can do since I don't have a car, and probably couldn't afford a hybrid or anything like that when I do turn 16, and don't own a house. I did find this cool thing on ADRA's site, where you can help donate to plant trees in places like South America and Africa to help support the farmers down there, but also help our enviroment.
rabbit_72
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
I never questioned you and what you do. I'm trying to convence anyone I can about GW. It's what I can do since I don't have a car, and probably couldn't afford a hybrid or anything like that when I do turn 16, and don't own a house. I did find this cool thing on ADRA's site, where you can help donate to plant trees in places like South America and Africa to help support the farmers down there, but also help our enviroment.
This is what I am talking about doing....finding ways to do what you feel is right. But please do not buy into a politicians point of view. Research yourself and then decide. Politicians are usually only out for just one person, themselves. Gore lost the presidency and this is what he does to bring himself back into the limelight and tries to confuse issues and I believe it causes conflict where there doesn't need to be any. Now I have to go finish dinner before the family starves! Good luck on your adventure and find your own ways to help the world be a better place.
I never questioned you and what you do. I'm trying to convence anyone I can about GW. It's what I can do since I don't have a car, and probably couldn't afford a hybrid or anything like that when I do turn 16, and don't own a house. I did find this cool thing on ADRA's site, where you can help donate to plant trees in places like South America and Africa to help support the farmers down there, but also help our enviroment.
This is what I am talking about doing....finding ways to do what you feel is right. But please do not buy into a politicians point of view. Research yourself and then decide. Politicians are usually only out for just one person, themselves. Gore lost the presidency and this is what he does to bring himself back into the limelight and tries to confuse issues and I believe it causes conflict where there doesn't need to be any. Now I have to go finish dinner before the family starves! Good luck on your adventure and find your own ways to help the world be a better place.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
What, the one with all the names of "scientists"? I'm sorry but I have no idea that they even have studied anything to do with GW, so I can't really trust them.
Mike.. I explained this before. The link is a petition signed by all of those scientists (remember you asked for names...). The actual report is PEER REVIEWED. Something Gore and the other extremists could learn a bit about.
What, the one with all the names of "scientists"? I'm sorry but I have no idea that they even have studied anything to do with GW, so I can't really trust them.
Mike.. I explained this before. The link is a petition signed by all of those scientists (remember you asked for names...). The actual report is PEER REVIEWED. Something Gore and the other extremists could learn a bit about.
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
What, the one with all the names of "scientists"? I'm sorry but I have no idea that they even have studied anything to do with GW, so I can't really trust them.
so, you asked for names of anyone who doesn't believe in GW. He provides them. And a link to their study. But you can't really trust them.
But you will take Gore, a career politician, at face value.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Sure you can't trust every study. There are flaws, or assumptions in every one.
But global warming activists have just as much if not more conflict of interest than non global warming scientists.
This assumption as all global warming activists are funded my oil companies thus they are not objective is flawed.
I like what the head of nasa thought. Who is to say that our current climate is the best climate for our planet anyway?
Wind mill farms are just dumb, they kill birds! By the thousands and they slice up crows to endangered species too. I'd rather feed a tree with my co2 than kill thousands of birds.
What, the one with all the names of "scientists"? I'm sorry but I have no idea that they even have studied anything to do with GW, so I can't really trust them.
so, you asked for names of anyone who doesn't believe in GW. He provides them. And a link to their study. But you can't really trust them.
But you will take Gore, a career politician, at face value.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Sure you can't trust every study. There are flaws, or assumptions in every one.
But global warming activists have just as much if not more conflict of interest than non global warming scientists.
This assumption as all global warming activists are funded my oil companies thus they are not objective is flawed.
I like what the head of nasa thought. Who is to say that our current climate is the best climate for our planet anyway?
Wind mill farms are just dumb, they kill birds! By the thousands and they slice up crows to endangered species too. I'd rather feed a tree with my co2 than kill thousands of birds.
mike22cha
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
so, you asked for names of anyone who doesn't believe in GW. He provides them. And a link to their study. But you can't really trust them.
But you will take Gore, a career politician, at face value.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Sure you can't trust every study. There are flaws, or assumptions in every one.
But global warming activists have just as much if not more conflict of interest than non global warming scientists.
This assumption as all global warming activists are funded my oil companies thus they are not objective is flawed.
I like what the head of nasa thought. Who is to say that our current climate is the best climate for our planet anyway?
Wind mill farms are just dumb, they kill birds! By the thousands and they slice up crows to endangered species too. I'd rather feed a tree with my co2 than kill thousands of birds.
Are you serious? That is halarious but sad for the birds. I've never heard that. Do I just support wind mills, no. Why do you guys assume that I just support one alterantive for energy?
What doesn't make sense to me is that anyone would try to prevent a way to stop a possible threat to our planet.
so, you asked for names of anyone who doesn't believe in GW. He provides them. And a link to their study. But you can't really trust them.
But you will take Gore, a career politician, at face value.
It just doesn't make any sense.
Sure you can't trust every study. There are flaws, or assumptions in every one.
But global warming activists have just as much if not more conflict of interest than non global warming scientists.
This assumption as all global warming activists are funded my oil companies thus they are not objective is flawed.
I like what the head of nasa thought. Who is to say that our current climate is the best climate for our planet anyway?
Wind mill farms are just dumb, they kill birds! By the thousands and they slice up crows to endangered species too. I'd rather feed a tree with my co2 than kill thousands of birds.
Are you serious? That is halarious but sad for the birds. I've never heard that. Do I just support wind mills, no. Why do you guys assume that I just support one alterantive for energy?
What doesn't make sense to me is that anyone would try to prevent a way to stop a possible threat to our planet.
chilwil84
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humans existing are possible threats to our planet the key word possible. last time i checked the earth has been warming since the last iceage are we to think and act it is all us. i choose to recycle everything i can and use energy star products but for me it is monitary based recycling saves your local town money and most energy star products will save me money in the long run as more earth friendly things save people money more of them will be used to try and convince people to spend hard earned money on something that may or may not be true is not going to go over well and when the people doing it are rich and causing more damage it is a joke to think people are going to do it. anybody know the mpg of a hybrid doing 100 mph
megadittos
megadittos
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by MIKE22cha
What doesn't make sense to me is that anyone would try to prevent a way to stop a possible threat to our planet.
I didn't assume that you supported it. I was just interjecting my opinion about wind farms. Think about it. They are placed in areas with high wind areas. The same winds that bird use to coast around the world. They fly right into them. Those dang migratory routes.
Our point is that there really isn't a threat to our planet. Made by humans. The world wide catastrophy that they predict is just not true. I do believe in being a good steward of the planet I live on. But I don't think that me driving a hybrid, being "carbon neutral", me running power compact lites, using less toilet paper is going to "save the world". It is a giant waste of money. The impending doom that is posed by these environmentalists, is simply a power grab. They are twisting and misrepresenting facts to create a sense of fear. To sit there and say, my policies can save you. Vote for me. That is what "inconvienient truth" is really about.
What doesn't make sense to me is that anyone would try to prevent a way to stop a possible threat to our planet.
I didn't assume that you supported it. I was just interjecting my opinion about wind farms. Think about it. They are placed in areas with high wind areas. The same winds that bird use to coast around the world. They fly right into them. Those dang migratory routes.
Our point is that there really isn't a threat to our planet. Made by humans. The world wide catastrophy that they predict is just not true. I do believe in being a good steward of the planet I live on. But I don't think that me driving a hybrid, being "carbon neutral", me running power compact lites, using less toilet paper is going to "save the world". It is a giant waste of money. The impending doom that is posed by these environmentalists, is simply a power grab. They are twisting and misrepresenting facts to create a sense of fear. To sit there and say, my policies can save you. Vote for me. That is what "inconvienient truth" is really about.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by chilwil84
humans existing are possible threats to our planet the key word possible. last time i checked the earth has been warming since the last iceage are we to think and act it is all us. i choose to recycle everything i can and use energy star products but for me it is monitary based recycling saves your local town money and most energy star products will save me money in the long run as more earth friendly things save people money more of them will be used to try and convince people to spend hard earned money on something that may or may not be true is not going to go over well and when the people doing it are rich and causing more damage it is a joke to think people are going to do it. anybody know the mpg of a hybrid doing 100 mph
megadittos
Wasn't a gore caught doing that? With a car full of drugs?
humans existing are possible threats to our planet the key word possible. last time i checked the earth has been warming since the last iceage are we to think and act it is all us. i choose to recycle everything i can and use energy star products but for me it is monitary based recycling saves your local town money and most energy star products will save me money in the long run as more earth friendly things save people money more of them will be used to try and convince people to spend hard earned money on something that may or may not be true is not going to go over well and when the people doing it are rich and causing more damage it is a joke to think people are going to do it. anybody know the mpg of a hybrid doing 100 mph
megadittos
Wasn't a gore caught doing that? With a car full of drugs?
mushroomss
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LOL ARMEIRCA DOSENT NEED FOX NEWS PRESIDENT BUSH DOES ROFL
f14peter
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
I didn't assume that you supported it. I was just interjecting my opinion about wind farms. Think about it. They are placed in areas with high wind areas. The same winds that bird use to coast around the world. They fly right into them. Those dang migratory routes..
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but is there some information you could cite regarding this as I've never heard of this being a significant problem. Surely the odd flock will fly into a farm, but I've yet to hear of any real issues.
As windmill farms undoubtedly require an Environmental Impact Report before being built, which would state any potential durogatory affect on wildlife, and if there was a history of bird killing, then that would certainly place windmill farms under closer scrutiny.
I live directly in the Pacific Flyway and when birds are actually migrating (As in traveling a significant distance), they tend to fly higher than windmills. Probably using the thinner air and avoiding having to gain or lose altitude to go past mountains. Only when flocks are laying-over in a particular area resting between long legs of their overall journey, and are flying to and from food sources and overnight sites are they very low.
Also, the high winds in certain locations that are desirable for windmill farms aren't always where birds are or on a regular migratory route. If winds are too high, then often birds won't fly or avoid a particular area. Plus, the prevailing wind isn't always the direction the birds wish to go.
Just curious ...
I didn't assume that you supported it. I was just interjecting my opinion about wind farms. Think about it. They are placed in areas with high wind areas. The same winds that bird use to coast around the world. They fly right into them. Those dang migratory routes..
Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but is there some information you could cite regarding this as I've never heard of this being a significant problem. Surely the odd flock will fly into a farm, but I've yet to hear of any real issues.
As windmill farms undoubtedly require an Environmental Impact Report before being built, which would state any potential durogatory affect on wildlife, and if there was a history of bird killing, then that would certainly place windmill farms under closer scrutiny.
I live directly in the Pacific Flyway and when birds are actually migrating (As in traveling a significant distance), they tend to fly higher than windmills. Probably using the thinner air and avoiding having to gain or lose altitude to go past mountains. Only when flocks are laying-over in a particular area resting between long legs of their overall journey, and are flying to and from food sources and overnight sites are they very low.
Also, the high winds in certain locations that are desirable for windmill farms aren't always where birds are or on a regular migratory route. If winds are too high, then often birds won't fly or avoid a particular area. Plus, the prevailing wind isn't always the direction the birds wish to go.
Just curious ...