I wish OBAMA would wear an American Flag pin (at least)

jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2500634
Hagee, to the best of my knowledge (admittedly, limited regarding him.) is not a racist. He preaches against the Catholic church.
Hagee might not be a racist but he is a bigot and a hateful person...this is a man who said hurricane Katrina was a result of a gay pride parade and the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves. IMO, Farrakahn is no worse then this guy...they are both hateful men.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2500729
Hagee might not be a racist but he is a bigot and a hateful person...this is a man who said hurricane Katrina was a result of a gay pride parade and the Jews brought the Holocaust on themselves. IMO, Farrakahn is no worse then this guy...they are both hateful men.
As I said, I'm not familiar with him. He's an "end time" preacher and I don't typically have much use for that kind of pastoring.
Hateful? Quite possibly. Bigoted? maybe. As I said, however, the jewish, islamic and gay remarks are issues of theology; not racism as Rylan tried to imply.
 
jmick

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2500767
As I said, I'm not familiar with him. He's an "end time" preacher and I don't typically have much use for that kind of pastoring.
Hateful? Quite possibly. Bigoted? maybe. As I said, however, the jewish, islamic and gay remarks are issues of theology; not racism as Rylan tried to imply.

Agreed. Ignorant yes, racist no.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2500535
Did the US Congress distance themselves from Strom Thurmond?
Did Ron Paul distance himself from the KKK?
Did McCain distance himself from John Hagee?
Farrakhan made some inappropriate remarks 20 years ago.. Whats interesting about him is that he has since worked directly with Christian and Jewish leaders and sought to improve their relationship. He was honored by the church for his work with ex-offenders. He also was the leader of the Million Man march which was to unify black men and to address the issues of black men such as fatherless homes and incarceration. My opinion of Farrakhan is that he is someone who has turned the page... I believe that he would denounce his views of 20 years ago.
20 years ago?
A few Farrakhan Quotes lifted from Journeyman's post, notice the dates
*"White people are potential humans- They haven't evolved yet" Philadelphia Enquirer, 2000
*Many of the Jews who owned the homes, the apartments in the black community, we considered them bloodsuckers because they took from our community and built their community but didn't offer anything back to our community" CNN 1995
*"When the Jews left, the Palestinian Arabs came, Koreans came, Vietnamese...and we call them bloodsuckers" CNN 1995
*"Qaddafi is hated because he is the leader of a small country that is rich, but he uses his money to finance liberation struggles."Louis Farrakhan Savior's Day Speech, Chicago, February 25, 1996
*"The Jews don't like Farrakhan, so they call me Hitler. Well, that's a good name. Hitler was a very great man..." CNN 1995 Quoting 94 speech
*"Murder and lying comes easy for white people." CNN 1995-- quoting 1994 speech
*"They call them terrorists, I call them freedom fighters." (referring to Hezbollah)Louis Farrakhan at District Council 33 Union Hall, Philadelphia, April 22, 1996
To the best of my knowledge he has never recanted his racist statements.
Rylan quote
"My opinion of Farrakhan is that he is someone who has turned the page... I believe that he would denounce his views of 20 years ago"
How about denouncing the racist statement he made last year?
"Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET?... Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry and television. And they make us look like we’re the murders; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff.”
“Justifiable Homicide: Black Youth in Peril (Part 3)” speech at Mosque Maryam, 11/11/07
Rylan, I don't get it. There are many more recent quotes I could list but they would have to be heavily edited. How can you say this person has "turned the page"?
 
oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2500535
Did the US Congress distance themselves from Strom Thurmond?
Did Ron Paul distance himself from the KKK?
Did McCain distance himself from John Hagee?
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You forgot Robert "KKK" Byrd. Perenial democrat. He was a Grand Wizard or something.
If I ever served in the hallowed hall of Congress, you can bet I would wear the flag, proudly.
 
suzy

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Yeah,using lies to win an election. Think it'll work again?
Hey, speaking of last election, didn't Rove promise a Gay Marriage Amendment? What ever happened to that?
 
reefraff

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Dunno. Kerry used lies to gain the notoriety get get elected to public office in the first place, He might be able to do it again.
Don't know if Rove ever promised an amendment or not. Never heard him make political commentary until he left the whitehouse.
 
bdhutier

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2500571
"congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA", "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land",
I don't understand how this statement is racist.
How about if I said about myself, "I am a person with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO GERMANY, I am a German person, and remain true to my native land."
Doesn't quite have the same ring... or does it?
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2500571
I don't believe he preaches hate of the "white" man.. I may be wrong... "congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA", "We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land",
I don't understand how this statement is racist.

Yes you are wrong...take some time and google his hate speech. As for Louie...he remains a racist hater of whites and jews. You can defend him if that is your position.
if Louie has turned the corner and is a new man and has seen the light why is Barry now attempting to create distance from Louie with words?
 
apos

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2500767
Hateful? Quite possibly. Bigoted? maybe. As I said, however, the jewish, islamic and gay remarks are issues of theology; not racism as Rylan tried to imply.
Merely slapping a "religion" sticker on comments doesn't magically make them safe or beyond criticism.
In logic circles, this is known as the fallacy of special pleading.
And celebrating the hoped for destruction of countless Jews is a big cut above mere racial insults, in my book.
 
apos

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Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2498473
And more strongly condemn and distance himself from Louis Farrakahn and the words of his radical pastor. I would like the guy better, even though I am more of a conservative.
I wish I could believe you were in the least bit sincere...
I love how all the folks on Fox that are whining about this non-issue don't have flag pins on themselves: it's just that phony of an issue.
 
scubadoo

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2500767
As I said, I'm not familiar with him. He's an "end time" preacher and I don't typically have much use for that kind of pastoring.
Hateful? Quite possibly. Bigoted? maybe. As I said, however, the jewish, islamic and gay remarks are issues of theology; not racism as Rylan tried to imply.
He has made remarks that lead me to beleive he is hater...so is Louie.. mCcain now has a problem....and I cannot defend his welcoming this endorsement.
I can not sit here and blast Obama..and not blast McCain for the same thing.
McCain should be ashamed of himself for even giving this guy a notice.
I have said we should all denounce hatred and racism. At a minumum...Hagee is a hater and his comments are polarizing. While McCain to my knowledge does nto look to this individual for advice or for "spiritual" matters....it does not make it right.
I might be many things...but I'm not a hypocrite. I cannot and will not give McCain a pass on this issue.
I'm not accusing anybody of being a hypocite...but I have been very outspoken on this subject matter regarding barry.
I cannot excuse away hatred buried in a pulpit message.
 
miaheatlvr

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Originally Posted by Apos
http:///forum/post/2501808
I wish I could believe you were in the least bit sincere...
I love how all the folks on Fox that are whining about this non-issue don't have flag pins on themselves: it's just that phony of an issue.
Who are you to judge me or anybody making comments here on levels of your perceived sincerity? I love how all the far left websites including MSNBC, and CNN try to make it an innocuous issue as well, when in my eyes I feel it adds to a candidates overall patriotism as a whole.
 
scubadoo

scubadoo

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Originally Posted by Apos
http:///forum/post/2501808
I love how all the folks on Fox that are whining about this non-issue don't have flag pins on themselves: it's just that phony of an issue.
Obama wore it and then removed it . Did the folks at Fox wear one and then remove it? That would make your analogy accurate if they did.
 
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