Ich (MICU journal)

kiefers

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Day..... whatever..... I lost count now lol.....
Tank is good. Parameters are great, having to raise Ph around 2 times a week. They only issue now is the temp wants to climb high, so.... going to put the fish to bed earlier than normal. Ammonia is 0 and Ph is 8.2. Salinity still at 1.007.
Fish look great and are active, the firefish goby is hiding and comes out every now and then to eat. Angels are loosing their minds due to the size of the tank. (they have nothing better to do so the chase each other, not picking at eachother, mereley playing tag it seems. So.... there ya have it.
Probably putting a hex on it but this hypo is going well thus far, god willing
 
kiefers

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Today I checked on the MICU to make the rounds. All but one of the patients are progressing well except the pygmy angel. She continues to refuse meals and hides in the corner. she came out to check out what was going on and thats when I noticed this!! Salinity still at 1.007, Ph
is 8.0 and have to check others soon. WTH?????
My only option at this point is to treat with copper, all of them now!
They are all carriers of this different strand of ick that can survive hypo! (lucky freakin me).
Any other opinions or thoughts??
 
2quills

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Sadly as I mentioned before about others having fish that didn't make it through hypo were dwarf angels (coral beautys). I think I'll take this as proof not to hypo dwarf angels. I don't know if that fish is going to be healthy enough to survive copper but I'm not an expert. Best of luck with it.
 
kiefers

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/40#post_3380297
Sadly as I mentioned before about others having fish that didn't make it through hypo were dwarf angels (coral beautys). I think I'll take this as proof not to hypo dwarf angels. I don't know if that fish is going to be healthy enough to survive copper but I'm not an expert. Best of luck with it.
The Lemonpeel and The Flame made it through beautifully, well the lemonpeel is doing great, the flame made it awesomely!!
I am beside myself with frustration right now, she wouldn't even survive a FWD at this point
 
mproctor4

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Kiefers wife here---I am pretty sure the spot on her top fin is because she kept hiding in a barnacle and getting stuck. You could see her rubbing that spot while trying to get out and I mean she was really stuck, it took a long time for her to get out. It is hard to see in the picture but her tail is half gone also. Fungus of some sort? I haven't seen anyone picking on her in a couple of days and it wasn't ever that bad, just a couple of chases. I just don't understand after that many days of salinity at 1.007 she suddenly develops massive spots?!?! I have a powder blue tang that I have put in QT in a different tank with a salinity of 1.007 also, did not have any signs of ick until after it had been at the lower salinity for a week. Luckily the spots on the tang only lasted a couple of days and never effected its behavior at all. Very frustrating.
 
kiefers

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it should be noted too that this strain of ick does look different from the typical parasite, they look bigger and is sporatically spread out than the other type. Maybe it's just me tho...
 
2quills

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What has it been about 2 weeks or so now in hypo? It may be possible that the parasites are coming to the end of their life cycle which is usually the last step when they attach themselves to a host before reproducing. Perhaps once these guys are done they won't be able to reproduce for another round. I would give it a little more time and see what happens. I wouldn't necissarily recommend this but I had great results on my second attempt at hypo by raising the temperature up to about 83 degrees. This speeds up the life cycle of the parasites. As a draw back it lowers oxygen levels in the tank so if you attempt it make sure that the tank is well aerated. Use air pumps and more powerheads if you have to. All visible traces of the parasites were gone within the first week when I did this. Just relaying my experience.
 
spanko

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Looks on sadly and hopes for the best. Agree with Corey here you have come this far and may be at the end of the process, I say let it ride.
Am I to understand it is just he angels with spots now? Seems strange to me if that is the case. I wonder about the reinfection of the others from what the angels are still carrying.
I have my fingers crossed and am hoping the fishees win out over the evil parasite.
 
kiefers

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Originally Posted by spanko http:///forum/thread/385151/ich-micu-journal/40#post_3380340
Looks on sadly and hopes for the best. Agree with Corey here you have come this far and may be at the end of the process, I say let it ride.
Am I to understand it is just he angels with spots now? Seems strange to me if that is the case. I wonder about the reinfection of the others from what the angels are still carrying.
I have my fingers crossed and am hoping the fishees win out over the evil parasite.
tired of studying the different strands of parasites and trying to win the battle. thank you spanko. It's only one angel thus far, the pygmy. the Lemonpeel is clear of infection to the naked eye. Doing water change this afternoon.
Battle plan is to let things ride and monitor closely. and to put in an airstone.
 
mproctor4

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The spots were gone on all the fish and then came back only on the angel. No spots at all on the tail though, that is why I wonder if that is something else going on there
Not sure if it will matter, we will see if she survives.
 
2quills

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It still looks and sounds like ****** to me. That will happen, they will all drop off of the fish essentially to breed and then come back later. This fish is obviously not adjusting well to the low salinity environment. It's stressed and weakened immune system has probably led to a compromised slime coating on the fishes body. This is going to leave it more susceptible to the parasites attacking it and it's ability to heal itself from injury. As you guys stated the other fish are doing much better which is probably why you don't see the visible signs on them like you do the pigmy.
I see you have some live rock in the QT. I defer to Mr. Steven Pro's artical on the subject:
"I have found the best quarantine/hospital tanks to be bare bottomed (no crushed coral or sand) and decorated with inert, nonporous, and "easy-to-clean-and-sanitize" items. Short sections of various diameter PVC pipe work very well for shelter. Live rock does not meet these criteria and therefore I do not recommended its use. It is best to not use any calcareous materials as they will absorb and interfere with some medications.
There is also another possible benefit to using all of these smooth, artificial materials in your quarantine tank. In studying outbreaks of Cryptocaryon irritans in Brown Spotted Grouper (Epinephelus tauvina) at an aquaculture station, Rasheed (1989) found that fish kept in concrete vessels routinely fell victim to Ich while those kept at the same facility with identical care, but in fiberglass containers suffered absolutely no infestations. She theorized that the cyst stage of the parasite found the smooth sides of the fiberglass tanks inhospitable. While not proven, it is very interesting and definitely something to keep in mind. At the very least, this type of setup is extremely easy to clean and disinfect if necessary."
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-08/sp/index.php
 
kiefers

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thank you for the article corey however, it is not live rock. I had this piece in the garage for several months, never used in the aquarium at all until the hypo. It's base rock (dead). the only live thing on this rock is algea growing on it and the angels pick at it. I am runnning to menards today anyway and will get some pvc piping for the tank.
thanks again for the research. And my sisters number 867-5309 her name is jenny. Lol.....
 
kiefers

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tonite I added some Prime to assist with the slime coat and to detoxify any toxins ,(ammonia) or what nots. We will see. gnite
 
kiefers

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pygmy died earlier this afternoon. Now i'm watching the others very closely. they seem okay.
 
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