I'm pulling for a landslide repulican November!

aquaknight

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My 100% honest opinion is that it's not really some much about fixing the country. At best, for now maybe figuring out a decent band-aid. And if either side comes up with some hair-brained idea, the chances of me agreeing with that idea, because it came from a republican are much higher.
 
And with the AGW farce still lingering around, the trouble in the gulf, and Dems in power, I am more then a little concerned they'll do something stupid...
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/20#post_3304931
I read an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal where the writer of the OpEd stated that the loss of earning power by American workers makes housing inflated by 2-3 x what it should be compared to inflation. He said the first bubble pop is the first and lightest of what is about to come. The typical American in 1970 worked 2 1/2 years to buy a house (by total income) and now it is up to 8 years. If he's correct, and I think he is, housing is going to drop another 50% as the free market corrects 20 years of insanity. I know that in Idaho, where I moved from, a typical 3br/2ba home averaged $80k in 1995 and even with the downturn, is now $190k. Wages have not more than doubled anywhere in the country and with outsourcing there will be a continuing avalanche in housing prices. This is relevent in that unless wages increase dramatically, the #1 American asset is in serious trouble. And outsourcing is the blame.
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That isn't so much linked to inflation as it is, linked the the government's entrance into the subprime market through fanny and freddy. Up until then, housing prices had grown relatively close to inflation. But when the government ramped up it's program to buy loans through fanny and freddy. They were in effect subsidizing the intrest rates for the borrowers. And absorbing the risk, then selling that risk as a note. That is when housing prices started increasing at a higher rate than inflation.
 
I personally don't think housing prices are going to correct themselves another 50% because the mechanism that caused the rapid increase in housing prices is still intact and still getting federally funded. (taking out a few super heated markets here and there)
 
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/20#post_3304980
Free trade is what sold us down the river. Perot was right and I am damn proud to say I voted for the kook
Once again I point to Smooth Haley as to what will happen if we played isolationist again...
 
 
 
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Once again I point to Smoot Hawley as to what will happen if we played isolationist again...
 
 
 
Fixed, for those of us who need to google
 
also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3305023
 
Once again I point to Smooth Haley as to what will happen if we played isolationist again...
 
 
 
At the time of Smoot-hawley we were major exporters. How are countries going to retaliate if they don't buy products from us? We have to do something if we want to compete with countries where the workers are happy with a bowl of rice and a grilled rat for their daily meal.
 
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/20#post_3304914
Buy local and American made whenever you can and stay away from Wal-Mart seems to work pretty well for me Darth and I don't complain about spending a little more at a local owned business either. Can I dare to blame large corporations for some of this countries problems now? Nothing really funnier than seeing a foreign made car with a Nobama sticker pulling into Wal-Mart, just another smart conservative I guess huh?
 
Fishtaco
You are the exception my friend...which is why I don't give you as much crap for your views as I do the others....your hypocrisy isn't as prevalent.
 
Darth (we are all hypocrites) Tang
 
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/20#post_3304955
 
Come on. How many products do you buy on a daily basis that clearly state where the product was made? In order to 'Buy American', I have to carry around a magnifying glass to find the miniscule print to tell me my box of Raisin Bran was made in Hong Kong? What percentage of major products that you purchase, especially large ticket items like electronics, computers, or appliances have factories in the US any longer? They may do final assembly in the US, but 99% of the parts come from foreign suppliers. It's not cost effective to manufacture the parts in the US. Why pay some guy in Nashville even minimum wage of $7.25/hr to build a part, when you can just cross the Mexico border, put up a plant for a third of the cost to maintain one in the US, then pay that same worker $8/DAY to do the same menial laborious work? Even with shipping and paying Import Fees and Taxes, you're still paying at the most $4/hour for labor costs. So yes, I do have a right to indirectly blame Corporate America for not having a product 'Made In The USA'. They could shutter their foreign factories and bring that manufacturing back to the US. However, Americans would then complain that they'd have to pay 30% more for an identical product they can buy from a foreign country. It's a no win scenario for Corporate America.
 
The first half of your response is a cop out...The effort is actually minimal. The last half of your comment are spot on...I do spend more on American...and most would complain if things were this way and at that price.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3305037
At the time of Smoot-hawley we were major exporters. How are countries going to retaliate if they don't buy products from us? We have to do something if we want to compete with countries where the workers are happy with a bowl of rice and a grilled rat for their daily meal.
 
We still are major exporters. Adjusted for inflation we still export more dollar value of materials than we did in our "supposed" heyday. We just buy a crap load more from overseas. The thing is we as Americans have made a choice and have decided we'd rather have a 50 dollar cheap microwave that lasts 5 years, than the 200 dollar microwave that lasts 20. And the market has adjusted. You get to the 200 dollar 20 year market, you still see American made products... (200 dollar 20 year market meaning the purchaser who's looking for high quality items)
 
The question is how to you quantify the changes in exports. By dollar amount, by number of items. How do you incorporate population growth etc.
 
The reality is we aren't a manufacture centered economy anymore... That isn't a necessarily a bad thing. Quite frankly I'm glad I'm not stamping out breadboards or something. I worked in job shop manufacturing for about a week, before I walked. We run around saying remember the good ol days. Not realizing the downside of it. Unions were needed at one point of time...
 
We run around wringing our hands because we lost a rubbermade plant in the USA. But lets not forget the good industry is for a third world country. Where no job literally does mean starvation... And this is just me here, but I'd rather see a third world country get a manufacturing plant, than say a giant handout from the US government...
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3305056
 
We still are major exporters. Adjusted for inflation we still export more dollar value of materials than we did in our "supposed" heyday. We just buy a crap load more from overseas. The thing is we as Americans have made a choice and have decided we'd rather have a 50 dollar cheap microwave that lasts 5 years, than the 200 dollar microwave that lasts 20. And the market has adjusted. You get to the 200 dollar 20 year market, you still see American made products... (200 dollar 20 year market meaning the purchaser who's looking for high quality items)
 
The question is how to you quantify the changes in exports. By dollar amount, by number of items. How do you incorporate population growth etc.
 
The reality is we aren't a manufacture centered economy anymore... That isn't a necessarily a bad thing. Quite frankly I'm glad I'm not stamping out breadboards or something. I worked in job shop manufacturing for about a week, before I walked. We run around saying remember the good ol days. Not realizing the downside of it. Unions were needed at one point of time...
 
We run around wringing our hands because we lost a rubbermade plant in the USA. But lets not forget the good industry is for a third world country. Where no job literally does mean starvation... And this is just me here, but I'd rather see a third world country get a manufacturing plant, than say a giant handout from the US government...
 
If you don't want to work in a manufacturing plant don't. We had that choice back when we still built things here. I still remember when I was a kid it was still pretty common that moms didn't work. Yet most of my friends parents owned their home, had only one car which tended to be nice, took vacations every summer in addition to going to camp etc. Yeah, we didn't have a cable or cell phone bill to pay but most people still had savings as well, all with one income. Try that today.
 
A computer design firm might create a few jobs in it's wake but nothing like manufacturing where you need people to bring in your raw materials, haul off the finished product etc.
 
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3305058
 
If you don't want to work in a manufacturing plant don't. We had that choice back when we still built things here. I still remember when I was a kid it was still pretty common that moms didn't work. Yet most of my friends parents owned their home, had only one car which tended to be nice, took vacations every summer in addition to going to camp etc. Yeah, we didn't have a cable or cell phone bill to pay but most people still had savings as well, all with one income. Try that today.
 
A computer design firm might create a few jobs in it's wake but nothing like manufacturing where you need people to bring in your raw materials, haul off the finished product etc.
 
Well, the one or 2 income thing is a whole different ball of wax. I don't think that is a reflection of our depressed wages as much as it is a reflection on our standard of living (and higher housing prices, which I attribute to poor domestic government policy, Fanny and freddy).
 
In my house (keep in mind this is just anecdotal.) My wife's whole salary can be attributed to items we didn't have 50 years ago.
 
Ever look at a middle class neighhood they've build 50-60 years ago? It is 1000-1250 sq ft house? Today it is 1800-2200 sq ft...
 
Not that you don't have a point, I just think it is less of a point than it is made out to be. And it fails to really incorporate how much more junk we can't live without these days...
 
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3305117
 
Well, the one or 2 income thing is a whole different ball of wax. I don't think that is a reflection of our depressed wages as much as it is a reflection on our standard of living (and higher housing prices, which I attribute to poor domestic government policy, Fanny and freddy).
 
In my house (keep in mind this is just anecdotal.) My wife's whole salary can be attributed to items we didn't have 50 years ago.
 
Ever look at a middle class neighhood they've build 50-60 years ago? It is 1000-1250 sq ft house? Today it is 1800-2200 sq ft...
 
Not that you don't have a point, I just think it is less of a point than it is made out to be. And it fails to really incorporate how much more junk we can't live without these days...
 
Where's Zmann with his "cheap doctrine"?

 
I'd really love to see these billionaires like Buffet and Gates who intend to give most of their money to charity instead build a US based company manufacturing some sort of consumer goods. Charity begins at home, the country that made you a gazillionaire
 
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3305126
Where's Zmann with his "cheap doctrine"?

 
I'd really love to see these billionaires like Buffet and Gates who intend to give most of their money to charity instead build a US based company manufacturing some sort of consumer goods. Charity begins at home, the country that made you a gazillionaire
 
Quite frankly, any able bodied person, has the same opportunity, to be the next self made man... And if they squander that opportunity, I have little pitty for them...
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3305126
Where's Zmann with his "cheap doctrine"?

 
I'd really love to see these billionaires like Buffet and Gates who intend to give most of their money to charity instead build a US based company manufacturing some sort of consumer goods. Charity begins at home, the country that made you a gazillionaire
 
I'm finding them giving that much money away just mind blowing, I want to see how much of that money goes toward "adminstrative costs" and how much actually helps people.
 
mantisman51

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Originally Posted by stdreb27 http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3305149
Quite frankly, any able bodied person, has the same opportunity, to be the next self made man... And if they squander that opportunity, I have little pitty for them...
With all due respect, you have been listening to Rush Limbaugh WAAAAYYYY too much. You know the guy who's family were (according to him) prominant Republicans in Missouri? The guy who "pulled himself up by his own boot straps" by begging the family friend, Roger Ales, for a job. The guy who admits that he never earned more than $19k a year until Roger bailed him out. Big business has as near a monopoly as ever. So I will disagree with what you wrote whole-heartedly and chuckle as I mull over the Limbaugh line you wrote as if your own.
 
reefraff

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With all due respect do your own research rather than repeating what left wing bloggers spew. Limbaugh had far and away the largest radio show in the country before he did a what, 3 year stint on the late night TV show? His families influence didn't do him much good once he left for California where he started his radio show
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3305753
With all due respect do your own research rather than repeating what left wing bloggers spew. Limbaugh had far and away the largest radio show in the country before he did a what, 3 year stint on the late night TV show? His families influence didn't do him much good once he left for California where he started his radio show
Dude, how can you defend Rush? He is nothing but a druggie who can't stay married and makes a living be an a-hole. Regardless of politics I don't see how anyone can look up to someone like that or believe a word he says. If a tweeker or crackhead told you the sky was falling would you take that seriously, it is the same thing with Rush and again shows why I have a problem with conservatism, you guys have some serious quality control problems.

 
Fishtaco
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco http:///forum/thread/379964/i-m-pulling-for-a-landslide-repulican-november/40#post_3306135
Dude, how can you defend Rush? He is nothing but a druggie who can't stay married and makes a living be an a-hole. Regardless of politics I don't see how anyone can look up to someone like that or believe a word he says. If a tweeker or crackhead told you the sky was falling would you take that seriously, it is the same thing with Rush and again shows why I have a problem with conservatism, you guys have some serious quality control problems.

 
Fishtaco
50% of the country cant stay married and our current president admits to using drugs illegally. By the standards you just put forth we should disregard anything 75% of the country says.
 
 
mantisman51

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Reef, you are the one who needs to do your research. He said in the past that it was Roger Ales who got him his national talk show. I listened to him in Sacramento before he went national. He absolutely got his national syndication from Roger Ales, who then further helped him by getting him his tv show deal. I don't read or listen to the left-wing for facts-just entertainment and have never read any blog-right or left. Rush is a silver-spoon who has tried (and only the last 10 years or so) to hide the fact that he owes everything to Ales. And he knew Ales because he was daddy's friend. Yeah, he had everything handed to him because he knew the right people. The same guy who now denogrates anyone who says you have to know somebody to get ahead. Anyone who has worked hard to get out of poverty, yeah like me, and can still listen to that son of privilege preach "lift yourself up by your own boot straps" crap-I don't know how to say it other than, they must like getting spoon-fed BS. I guess it was the left-wing bloggers who made him say in 2008 that if gas got to $10 a gallon it didn't matter cause he could still fly his Gulfstream.
 
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