Im voting republican but BOY is Sarah Palins accent and voice annoying!

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2778462
So would my neighbor, still doesn't make it a sin or wrong...Is having an alcoholic beverage wrong also......it isn't a sin either.
no its not.. but getting drunk is

 

[cowfishrule]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2777930
So What Did Palin Request in Federal Earmarks? Seal DNA Research!
By Kate Klonick - September 10, 2008, 8:34PM
As we've mentioned elsewhere on TPM, Sarah Palin was not quite as conservative as she claims in her requests for earmarks. And here's a great example from just this year.
According to Alaska's 2009 catalog of earmark requests the state's sea life are in great need of federal money. As Politico points out, Palin's office requested $2 million in federal monies to study crab mating habits; $494,900 for the recreational halibut harvest and $3.2 million for seal genetics research.
Those requests for the study of wildlife genetics and mating habits seems pretty antithetical to the long-standig views of Palin's running mate, John McCain.
"We're not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," McCain said earlier this year, referring to a request from Montana for federal money to study the endangered grizzly bear. "I don't know if it was a paternity issue or criminal, but it was a waste of money."
here's the difference. crab fishing and halibut fishing are the major source of employment and revenue for the state, probably even more than tourism. to hell with the bears. what do they do for montana?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778452
well I am sure your preacher/pastor would advise against it... as well as playing the numbers...
Actually, he usually plays in our house game.

You know the disciples drew lots to see who would replace Judas...
On a more serious note, I find it highly ironic, that you think evangelicals have a problem with gambling. But liberals got all their feathers ruffled when Palins old pastor (after she was gone) basically said he didn't understand how a christian could justify scripturally voting for someone who supports abortion.
More of the same 20 year old DUI is a problem but experimenting with illegal drugs isn't argument. It just doesn't add up in my head.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2778567
here's the difference. crab fishing and halibut fishing are the major source of employment and revenue for the state, probably even more than tourism. to hell with the bears. what do they do for montana?
there is no difference... seals... crab mating ... bear mating... recreational fishing...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2778588
Actually, he usually plays in our house game.

You know the disciples drew lots to see who would replace Judas...
On a more serious note, I find it highly ironic, that you think evangelicals have a problem with gambling. But liberals got all their feathers ruffled when Palins old pastor (after she was gone) basically said he didn't understand how a christian could justify scripturally voting for someone who supports abortion.
More of the same 20 year old DUI is a problem but experimenting with illegal drugs isn't argument. It just doesn't add up in my head.
judas was actually one of the top apostles... but this is not about drugs or DUI... but contributions made to campaigns... You want to say shame on you for accepting $1000 from Ayers, or money from fannie mae... etc... accepting money from gambling is no better.
They all take money... part of washington

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2778308
Lets just for the sake of argument assume that Palin is a right wing twit who knows nothing. I would by far risk the chance that such a person might become president than elect Obama who's policy and philosophy is so far to the left that he has garnered extensive support from the Democrat Socialists of America, World Workers party (formally known as the Communist Party USA) Self avowed communists like Bill Ayers and Tom Hayden among many others. That doesn't make Obama a Communist but he's too close for my comfort.
Besides his big government philosophy he has taken an extreme position on matters such as his support for banning all handguns and his opposition to even common sense abortion regulations like the law preventing adults from sneaking minor girls across state lines to avoid parental involvement laws.
I'll take my chances on McCain's health any day

McCain's mom is old... however father and grandfather not so much...
Gramps Sr. lived to be 61
McCain's Dad - 70...
I hear about these good genes and what not... I'd give him a 75% shot to make it 4 yrs.... 50/50 he goes 8.
Not odds I'd want to bet on.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778595
judas was actually one of the top apostles... but this is not about drugs or DUI... but contributions made to campaigns... You want to say shame on you for accepting $1000 from Ayers, or money from fannie mae... etc... accepting money from gambling is no better.
They all take money... part of washington
Some times, I wonder what you have in that pipe.
I never said anything about the "quality" of Judas as the apostle. All I said was that the deciples left it up to "chance" who was going to replace Judas after he killed himeself. (discussing the merits of gambling being wrong biblically)
You said that you would think evangelicals would have a problem with gambling. So I commented that I find it ironic that an evangelical would have a problem, but when an evangelical says he has a problem with abortion. Killing being a BIG PROBLEM he is rediculed. Then I used an example from a previous discussion where someone was telling me -
how bad palin was because of her husbands DUI. While arguing that "experementing" with illegal drugs was no big deal.
As more stuff that just doesn't add up.
The problem with Obama taking money from Resko, isn't necessarily that he did. (after all I've never seen a democrat turn down money from a crook) But that Obama is championed about as if he is free from lobbiests, and such riff-raff. When in reality he is no different than any other politician to come out of Chicago.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2778663
Some times, I wonder what you have in that pipe.
I never said anything about the "quality" of Judas as the apostle. All I said was that the deciples left it up to "chance" who was going to replace Judas after he killed himeself. (discussing the merits of gambling being wrong biblically)
You said that you would think evangelicals would have a problem with gambling. So I commented that I find it ironic that an evangelical would have a problem, but when an evangelical says he has a problem with abortion. Killing being a BIG PROBLEM he is rediculed. Then I used an example from a previous discussion where someone was telling me -
how bad palin was because of her husbands DUI. While arguing that "experementing" with illegal drugs was no big deal.
As more stuff that just doesn't add up.
The problem with Obama taking money from Resko, isn't necessarily that he did. (after all I've never seen a democrat turn down money from a crook) But that Obama is championed about as if he is free from lobbiests, and such riff-raff. When in reality he is no different than any other politician to come out of Chicago.
as far as drugs... last 2 presidents used drugs as youth ... almost all from this day on has probably experimented... I believe statisistic is upto 7 out of 10... Reagan probably smoked something in his past...
I agree w/ you about abortion... my postion is pro-life... however I don't think its my right to choose for everyone else...
and yes gambling is also wrong ... and can become just as dangerous as drugs or alcohol IMO...

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2778663
Some times, I wonder what you have in that pipe.
I never said anything about the "quality" of Judas as the apostle. All I said was that the deciples left it up to "chance" who was going to replace Judas after he killed himeself. (discussing the merits of gambling being wrong biblically)
You said that you would think evangelicals would have a problem with gambling. So I commented that I find it ironic that an evangelical would have a problem, but when an evangelical says he has a problem with abortion. Killing being a BIG PROBLEM he is rediculed. Then I used an example from a previous discussion where someone was telling me -
how bad palin was because of her husbands DUI. While arguing that "experementing" with illegal drugs was no big deal.
As more stuff that just doesn't add up.
The problem with Obama taking money from Resko, isn't necessarily that he did. (after all I've never seen a democrat turn down money from a crook) But that Obama is championed about as if he is free from lobbiests, and such riff-raff. When in reality he is no different than any other politician to come out of Chicago.
Rezko was a big player in Chicago... he gave lots of money to all democrats there and national party... is there any record that Obama was involved in or had knowledge of any of his schemes... no He also has photos with the Clintons... he basically played the business - politics
game.
the keating 5... was much more significant and not only did it effect Arizona... but also the nation as a whole... and McCain was involved ... you can argue about how much or whatever... but the people involved were close to the McCain's.... much closer than any Obama/Rezco connection... they took vacations together....
There are so many crooks in politics... I don't believe Obama to be one of them... I probably will also give McCain a pass because he learned from that keating 5 deal.
For youngters... remember things you do at 18 - 20 may haunt you 20-30 yrs later... Just Say No.... seriously

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778684
Rezko was a big player in Chicago... he gave lots of money to all democrats there and national party... is there any record that Obama was involved in or had knowledge of any of his schemes... no He also has photos with the Clintons... he basically played the business - politics
game.
hmm sounds a lot like jack abramoff...

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2778304
Is it against the law to cheat on your wife? Do you have PROOF he cheated on his ex-wife. Has she stated he cheated? the big difference is accusation from the offended party and physical proof. in one case proof (sperm on a shirt) and lying UNDER OATH. THAT was the issue. In this case, speculation. I can speculate a lot about obama, but I do not use JUST speculation when forming my arguments.
Tossing money at a candidate and the candidate working with the person that financed and helped start him out in politics are two different things....do you not see that? If Obama never worked with the guy it would be one thing, but going to his house and working with him are totally different than just just receiving a donation. how can you not see that?
Inuendos. Show me proof he actually went to this guy's house. Show me pictures, show me video. You get your evidence from some second-rate staff writer. Let's see visible proof.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2778307
How is this bad? last I checked it was a legitimate business.....and I don't remember gambling being a sin....
Gambling and casino's a legitimate business?

That's one of the most corrupt 'businesses' in this country. Go take a history lesson on the management and ownership of casinos. Who ran, and is most likely still running today, the majority of the casinos in Vegas?

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2778821
Gambling and casino's a legitimate business?

That's one of the most corrupt 'businesses' in this country. Go take a history lesson on the management and ownership of casinos. Who ran, and is most likely still running today, the majority of the casinos in Vegas?
so you are telling me todays casinos are not legal businesses?

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2778809
Inuendos. Show me proof he actually went to this guy's house. Show me pictures, show me video. You get your evidence from some second-rate staff writer. Let's see visible proof.

Alice Palmer, there is your proof.....

 

[darthtang aw]

here is a wall street journal story timelining many things for you
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html

 

[vinnyraptor]

she did good in the Couric interview? dude the whole country is making fun of the Couric interview. OMG i cant believe even you are trying to justify it. these so called "gotcha" questions are laughable. what newpapers do you read? " ya know all of them" any one's in specific? " yah know like all of them" thats only a "gotcha" question if you dont READ! she believes abortion should be illegal period! she also believes the planet is 6000 yrs old!
she's nothing but a pretty faced evangelical zealot.
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2777019
Why do you think this?
2nd I think in the coric interview she hit the abortion topic quite well.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778452
well I am sure your preacher/pastor would advise against it... as well as playing the numbers...
And anyone who is Catholic likely has their priest telling them they shouldn't vote for Democrats, so what?

 

[darthtang aw]

Newsweek story and obama has said he was there.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/132874
"but it received broad exposure at last week's debate on ABC, when Obama was asked a question about their relationship. Obama, who lives near Ayers in Chicago's Hyde Park, attended an event at Ayers's house when Obama ran for the state Senate in 1995—and served on the board of a nonprofit with him for several years."
I don't need a picture for proof when your candidate admitted it in a debate and his team also admits it.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778550
I am not talking about 23 year span.. but year over year...

Huh?
In three years Obama has received 132 grand from gambling interests. McCain has received 260 grand over 22 years. You want to crack out the calculator and tell us who is getting more per year from gambling interests?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778684
Rezko was a big player in Chicago... he gave lots of money to all democrats there and national party... is there any record that Obama was involved in or had knowledge of any of his schemes... no He also has photos with the Clintons... he basically played the business - politics
game.
the keating 5... was much more significant and not only did it effect Arizona... but also the nation as a whole... and McCain was involved ... you can argue about how much or whatever... but the people involved were close to the McCain's.... much closer than any Obama/Rezco connection... they took vacations together....
There are so many crooks in politics... I don't believe Obama to be one of them... I probably will also give McCain a pass because he learned from that keating 5 deal.
For youngters... remember things you do at 18 - 20 may haunt you 20-30 yrs later... Just Say No.... seriously

Difference is Rezko was under federal investigation when Obama did the house deal with him and it was well known. Obama hasn't even denied he knew that and called his judgment to ahead with the shady house deal "boneheaded". On the other hand you had the Democrats own investigator recommend John McCain and John Glenn both be dropped from the Senate ethics investigation because after 18 months he could find no evidence that either of them had done anything wrong.