Im voting republican but BOY is Sarah Palins accent and voice annoying!

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2777423
..... Show me facts, not reports from some staff writer who got the information from someone who got it from someone who heard it from Ayers' third cousin removed. This is the digital age. Show me pictures of Obama directly associating with Ayers. Show me the infamous photos of him sitting in Ayers apartment talking political strategies. Send me sound or video clips of him speaking with Ayers. Unless you can, then it's all hearsay. ....

Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/2777924
So what does this useless diatribe prove? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT HIS ASSOCIATION WITH AYERS HAS TO DO WITH HIS PATRIOTISM. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT AYERS HAS DONE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS
THAT WARRANTS HIM BEING A DANGEROUS PERSON. ...
Post 1, meet post 2..
You act like there is no association in the first post; then change the argument in the second post to be that the association doesn't matter.
Pick a side and we can argue it from there...
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2777930
...
Open mouth, insert foot.
You do realize a Governor, requesting federal money, isn't quite the same thing as slipping "earmarks" into a bill right?
As I've pointed out, continually, a Governor CANNOT WRITE Federal Legislation...
Take a look at which political party was in control of Washington when Palin was Governor. Now, explain how a Republican Governor, who cannot write legislation in Washington, forced the Democrats to do anything?
Of course Alaska received Federal money... go back to page 3 and read Rylan's and Gonefishy's posts. They were trying to compare Obama's 1 Billion in earmarks to Palin's. It was pointed out to them that as a Senator Obama is in control of the earmark process, not a Governor...
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2777924
So what does this useless diatribe prove? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT HIS ASSOCIATION WITH AYERS HAS TO DO WITH HIS PATRIOTISM. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT AYERS HAS DONE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS
THAT WARRANTS HIM BEING A DANGEROUS PERSON. If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person in the world. Dude, read the article you just posted. Obama was on a Board with these people to promote education. If they are responsible for delegating what happens to $100 million dollars, don't you think they would talk to one another? You want to make Ayers out to be one of Obama's primary political advisors. What would Ayers tell him? "Now if McCain gets to aggressive in the next debate, I can show you how to build the perfect pipe bomb. We can then make anonymous calls to the arena where the debate is being held, and force an evacuation so the debate will end abruptly with no true winner."
You really need to find another conspiracy theory on Obama. The more useless writings you bring up on Ayers, the more it proves there's nothing behind Obama's and Ayers' association.
What this has to do with is his judgement and political philosophy. Where did I once say anything about his patriotism? This shows exactly how for to the left Obama's politics are. Ayers identifies himself as a "small C Communist" whatever that means. Remember it was Ayers who threw the kickoff party for Obama's first campaign. Would you associate with a person who committed serious crimes in the past and bragged about it now?
 

reefraff

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The earmarking process today
On paper, earmarks are intended to go through a public process. Lawmakers recognize needs which exist in their respective states or districts, and submit a written request to the appropriate congressional subcommittee asking for the panel’s support. In reality, however, earmarks are often not judged on their merit. Rather, earmarks are typically handed out as favors in exchange for votes on key pieces of legislation by party leaders and appropriations chairmen.
In addition, earmarks are rarely considered by the entire U.S. House of Representatives or U.S. Senate during the construction of a bill. Rather, they are often added during the conference phase, which is when House and Senate leaders meet to iron-out the differences in their respective pieces of legislation on a particular issue. Following the conference, both houses must approve the legislation again, but if a member wishes to oppose a particular earmark, he/she must vote against the entire bill in order to do so. Given that most earmarks are inserted into massive pieces of legislation which fund the federal government, members of Congress are often reluctant to oppose them simply over an earmark. In addition, through the process of logrolling, members often agree to support a bill with another’s earmark in exchange for the same treatment. The result is bills with hundreds, if not thousands, of specifically-directed funding projects. Thomas A. Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste, said that 98 percent of earmarks to appropriations bills in 2005 were added in the conference phase.
When passed legislation reaches the president’s desk, a similar problem arises. Not wishing to stall the budgetary process or risk a public relations backlash for rejecting a bill for transportation or defense appropriations, presidents are often forced to sign bills loaded with earmarks. Many presidents, including Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have advocated a line-item veto, whereby the president is able to veto specific spending projects in appropriations bills without vetoing the entire bill. While Congress has historically opposed this expansion of executive power, it did grant it in 1996 with the Line Item Veto Act of 1996. The line-item veto was used 11 times to strike 82 items from the federal budget by Clinton. In February 1998, however, a federal district judge ruled that the law was in violation of the US Constitution. This ruling was affirmed in June 1998 by the U.S. Supreme Court in the case Clinton v. City of New York.
Gee, never a mention of a Governor or Mayor. All they can do is request funding. It is up to the congressional delegation to decide how to get the funding.
 

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2777930
So What Did Palin Request in Federal Earmarks? Seal DNA Research!
By Kate Klonick - September 10, 2008, 8:34PM
As we've mentioned elsewhere on TPM, Sarah Palin was not quite as conservative as she claims in her requests for earmarks. And here's a great example from just this year.
According to Alaska's 2009 catalog of earmark
requests the state's sea life are in great need of federal money. As Politico points out, Palin's office requested $2 million in federal monies to study crab mating habits; $494,900 for the recreational halibut harvest and $3.2 million for seal genetics research.
Those requests for the study of wildlife genetics and mating habits seems pretty antithetical to the long-standig views of Palin's running mate, John McCain.
"We're not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," McCain said earlier this year, referring to a request from Montana for federal money to study the endangered grizzly bear. "I don't know if it was a paternity issue or criminal, but it was a waste of money."
By Tom Hamburger and Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
September 13, 2008
NEW YORK -- John McCain got it wrong Friday when he asserted that his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, had not requested any earmarks
, the spending directives lawmakers insert in spending bills that McCain has vowed to eliminate.
Palin, in fact, requested $198 million in federal earmarks
in February, including such expenses as $487,000 to fight obesity in Alaska and $4 million to develop recreational trails.
By day's end, the McCain campaign backed down from the claim the GOP presidential candidate made on the ABC television show "The View."
"Sen. McCain was in the throes of a discussion about her record of reforming government, which includes drastic cuts in wasteful spending in the Alaska state budget," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. "If he gave viewers a mistaken impression, it certainly wasn't intentional or without some basis in fact."
Palin's approach to earmarks
has been much closer to the views of Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, than of McCain, who wants to end the entire earmark system.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 2, 2008; Page A01
ST. PAUL, Minn., Sept. 1 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks
for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog group. There was $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, $900,000 for sewer repairs, and $15 million for a rail project -- all intended to benefit Palin's town, Wasilla, located about 45 miles north of Anchorage.
Open mouth, insert foot.
They will never admit to any wrong doing on Sarah's part.
Its not like they are going to say Bionicarm you are right. They rumble on about nothing kinda like their girl Sarah.
You know the truth Bionicarm and I know the truth.Anyway can't wait for debate tonight. This weekend Im going to be registering people to vote.
. Say what you like, Im a lefty, Im a liberal, very proud one too. I voted for Clinton, Al Gore, Kerry, and now Obama.
 

bionicarm

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2778003
Post 1, meet post 2..
You act like there is no association in the first post; then change the argument in the second post to be that the association doesn't matter.
Pick a side and we can argue it from there...
There is no argument. That's the point I'm trying to get across to you Republican Conspirators. You're the one's who continue with this farce that there's a deep association between the two. I'm just stating that if YOU think there's an association, why does it matter? You continue to want to use Ayers as a scapegoat for Obama's loyalty to this country. There's nothing to it. Bottom line. You think McCain is squeaky clean with all his past relationships? All these 'individuals' that have been involved with his wife's family business? There were known mobsters that regulaly hung out at his in-laws house. You don't think he ever spoke to them? Oh that's right, they weren't involved with his campaign. Riiiight. The Dems aren't chasing after those allegations because they have nothing to do with the real issues. How about we start looking more into the claims of how McCain has been 'backdooring' all these bills against the Native American casino's that are popping up everywhere except Arizona? Wonder whose behind those deals?
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2778000
Gee... the irony.
You want to completely change the definition of "earmark" to allow it to comply with the false information posted here.
Meanwhile, you refuse to believe Obama served on a committee with Ayers or started his political campaign with Ayers; even though 30 seconds of research on your part would confirm this....
I didn't change the definition of earmark. Three staff writers from three different NATIONALLY KNOWN RESPECTED PUBLICATIONS are the one's who called them 'federal earmarks', not me. So it's 'false information' because it shows Palin received federal money? If that's what Rylan read and meant, then that's why he called them earmarks. You just want to go with the semantics of how earmarks are actually created. OK, so a Governor can't directly request or obtain federal earmarks. That's not the point. The point is she obtained all these federal funds for nothing more than to benefit her state, which contradicts McCain's stance on government reforms on wasteful spending.
AGAIN, whether he served on a committee with Ayers or not is moot point. The guy did what he did 40 YEARS AGO. Get over it. Has Obama 'associated' or even talked to this guy in the last 2 years since he started running for President? Is Ayers on ANY of Obama's advisory boards? Oh right, he contributed money to his campaign. That gives you a direct tie-in that he still 'associates' with Obama.
You're chasing ghosts. If McCain directly calls Obama out on Ayers, then I would consider it an issue. If not, then it's just you Republican Conspirators making a mountain out of a mole hill. If Ayers is your main reason for not voting for Obama, then you are completely out of touch with this election.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2778184
How about we start looking more into the claims of how McCain has been 'backdooring' all these bills against the Native American casino's that are popping up everywhere except Arizona? Wonder whose behind those deals?
Yes, let's, I will be waiting on the edge of my seat for your allegations and facts. Stop dropping innuendo's and state what you know.
As for ayers, it isn't a matter of loyalty to country that is in question, but it questions his willingness to lie with devils to enhance his own political career. Many have commented on us laying in bed with Bin Laden and Hussein many years in the past....we were willing to look past indescretions as it benefited whomever was in office at the time is the charge....well this is the same scenario. If he is willing to look past and work with a guy that is a terrorist, who else is he willing to work along side of to further himself or this country and at what expense later...
 

hlcroghan

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2778203
Yes, let's, I will be waiting on the edge of my seat for your allegations and facts. Stop dropping innuendo's and state what you know.
As for ayers, it isn't a matter of loyalty to country that is in question, but it questions his willingness to lie with devils to enhance his own political career. Many have commented on us laying in bed with Bin Laden and Hussein many years in the past....we were willing to look past indescretions as it benefited whomever was in office at the time is the charge....well this is the same scenario. If he is willing to look past and work with a guy that is a terrorist, who else is he willing to work along side of to further himself or this country and at what expense later...
Wait a minute. Both of the candidates had people support them and toss money toward their campaign that might not be the most reputable of people. There were newspaper articles about it all over the place. That does not make either of them bad choices for president. That is not even a good argument for why either of them shouldn't be president. People in this country blew up when Clinton had his scandal, especially republicans. I don't see any of you making a big deal out of the fact that McCain has cheated on his spouses and left his wives. Where is the equality in your thinking? Most of the democrats here have stated that we realize Obama isn't perfect and it wouldn't hurt to have some more experience behind him, but be fair in your arguments.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2778273
Wait a minute. Both of the candidates had people support them and toss money toward their campaign that might not be the most reputable of people. There were newspaper articles about it all over the place. That does not make either of them bad choices for president. That is not even a good argument for why either of them shouldn't be president. People in this country blew up when Clinton had his scandal, especially republicans. I don't see any of you making a big deal out of the fact that McCain has cheated on his spouses and left his wives. Where is the equality in your thinking? Most of the democrats here have stated that we realize Obama isn't perfect and it wouldn't hurt to have some more experience behind him, but be fair in your arguments.
Is it against the law to cheat on your wife? Do you have PROOF he cheated on his ex-wife. Has she stated he cheated? the big difference is accusation from the offended party and physical proof. in one case proof (sperm on a shirt) and lying UNDER OATH. THAT was the issue. In this case, speculation. I can speculate a lot about obama, but I do not use JUST speculation when forming my arguments.
Tossing money at a candidate and the candidate working with the person that financed and helped start him out in politics are two different things....do you not see that? If Obama never worked with the guy it would be one thing, but going to his house and working with him are totally different than just just receiving a donation. how can you not see that?
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2778273
Wait a minute. Both of the candidates had people support them and toss money toward their campaign that might not be the most reputable of people. There were newspaper articles about it all over the place. That does not make either of them bad choices for president. That is not even a good argument for why either of them shouldn't be president. People in this country blew up when Clinton had his scandal, especially republicans. I don't see any of you making a big deal out of the fact that McCain has cheated on his spouses and left his wives. Where is the equality in your thinking? Most of the democrats here have stated that we realize Obama isn't perfect and it wouldn't hurt to have some more experience behind him, but be fair in your arguments.
Its silly... latest news is McCain is backed by gambling industry ... and that he gambles in Vegas at least once a month. I am sure that many conservatives ... especially evangelicals would not want a candidate so close to vegas and indian casinos.. (Native American) he recieves more $$$$ from them than anyone else aside from Nevada congressman and New Jersey congressman.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778305
Its silly... latest news is McCain is backed by gambling industry ... and that he gambles in Vegas at least once a month. I am sure that many conservatives ... especially evangelicals would not want a candidate so close to vegas and indian casinos.. (Native American) he recieves more $$$$ from them than anyone else aside from Nevada congressman and New Jersey congressman.

How is this bad? last I checked it was a legitimate business.....and I don't remember gambling being a sin....
 

reefraff

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Lets just for the sake of argument assume that Palin is a right wing twit who knows nothing. I would by far risk the chance that such a person might become president than elect Obama who's policy and philosophy is so far to the left that he has garnered extensive support from the Democrat Socialists of America, World Workers party (formally known as the Communist Party USA) Self avowed communists like Bill Ayers and Tom Hayden among many others. That doesn't make Obama a Communist but he's too close for my comfort.
Besides his big government philosophy he has taken an extreme position on matters such as his support for banning all handguns and his opposition to even common sense abortion regulations like the law preventing adults from sneaking minor girls across state lines to avoid parental involvement laws.
I'll take my chances on McCain's health any day
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778305
Its silly... latest news is McCain is backed by gambling industry ... and that he gambles in Vegas at least once a month. I am sure that many conservatives ... especially evangelicals would not want a candidate so close to vegas and indian casinos.. (Native American) he recieves more $$$$ from them than anyone else aside from Nevada congressman and New Jersey congressman.

You have an issue with the poor indians getting their slice of the affirmative action pie?
In 3 years Obama has already gotten half the amount from the evil casinos as McCain has inwhat, 23 years

I am glad to hear McCain likes to gamble. He can afford it and it's good for the economy. Hope I get to meet him in vegas some day
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778305
Its silly... latest news is McCain is backed by gambling industry ... and that he gambles in Vegas at least once a month. I am sure that many conservatives ... especially evangelicals would not want a candidate so close to vegas and indian casinos.. (Native American) he recieves more $$$$ from them than anyone else aside from Nevada congressman and New Jersey congressman.
As an evangelical, I gamble.
 

darthtang aw

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2778452
well I am sure your preacher/pastor would advise against it... as well as playing the numbers...
So would my neighbor, still doesn't make it a sin or wrong...Is having an alcoholic beverage wrong also......it isn't a sin either.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2778330

You have an issue with the poor indians getting their slice of the affirmative action pie?
In 3 years Obama has already gotten half the amount from the evil casinos as McCain has inwhat, 23 years

I am glad to hear McCain likes to gamble. He can afford it and it's good for the economy. Hope I get to meet him in vegas some day

I am not talking about 23 year span.. but year over year...
 
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