Im voting republican but BOY is Sarah Palins accent and voice annoying!

darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2777030
who cares? what does this have to do w/ Palin and abuse of her power?
Hey you were talking about it, not me...
"that foot tapper initially fought to stay on and not to resign... wasn't until public pressure made him do it.
as far as Jefferson... not sure if he's been convicted yet... but hopefully if he is still on now... his constituients won't vote for him."
What does that have to do with Palin as well? I just responded to your comment....Is it my fault you spend so much time in left field that some of your comments come from that direction as well?

Just kidding, don't get sensitive on me.
 
1journeyman

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You know...
And this is not directed at either side, because there have in time's past been folks guilty on boths sides...
I think these debates struggle along so weakly because of a general failing of the education system to teach US History and the Constitution better. Concepts like the separation of powers gets lost far to easily.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2776870
You call two political blog sites 'respected publications'? In whose eyes?
Like I said, show me video clips of McCain discussing this issue. The Republicans want to stir the pot with this because the polling numbers on McCain are dropping daily, and they need a useless 'conspiracy theory' to try and change them around. Ayers was a radical anti-war advocate that went overboard with a bunch of his college buddies back in the 60's protesting the Vietnam War. That was over 40 years ago. What has he done since then? Made a stupid comment about believing in his cause after 9-11? Yea, all the "I'm Proud To Be An American" flag wavers sounded off about it, but what physical harm has he done? He's now a respected college professor in a small university in Chicago. Yea, he's a REAL dangerous man. I don't see anyone pulling their kids out of that school because he teaches there. You want to make the guy out like he's the next Bin Laden. If Ayers is all you have on Obama in regards to his lack of patriotism, then you have a pretty weak argument.

US News and World Report and the Hill are well respected publications. Those are the website where both articles are posted by staff writers. The fact that you are clueless about the publications really doesn't surprise me.
What does it matter if McCain talks about this or not? It doesn't change the fact that Obama lied about his ties to Ayers. Obama isn't talking about McCains age. Does that make McCain younger?
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2776875
you'll buy anything ... the taser incident was done with training probes and not him shooting his step son w/ a live barb... and I'm not defending the guy at all but he had been disciplined... point is she broke the law and is now saying she isn't cooperating when orginally she said she would.
she says foreign policy means seeing Russia, and she has only been out of the country once, which was recently...
as to earmarks... what did she do with the $180 million she had already recieved for the bridge? Did she give it back... or the millions on the road she built to the bridge...
Everything she is running on isn't exactly accurate... but who cares... what has she done since the nomination... what confidence do you have in her ... how has she shown she is qualified or even understands the issues. In my view she has no credibility due to the result of her 3 interviews and the fact that the McCain campaign has put her on restriction... and that she needs a week to prep for the debate in "Debate Camp" I just don't think she knows what McCain's record and views are ... that might be okay if instead she could share with us her views on Bailout, economy, healthcare...etc instead of BS
Using a taser on a 9 year old barbs or not is unacceptable. There is also a matter of death threats. Even if Palin fired the guy for that she broke no law. The commissioner serves at her pleasure and can be fired for any reason other than discrimination or to obstruct justice.
As far as the rest goes based on her record in Alaska I would far rather have her as president than Obama. She has 100% more executive experience than Obama. Obama doesn't have a single major achievement in the US Senate, NOTHING. Best he can do is a co author on ethics reform that he was added on to so it could be sold as bipartisan. Whoopee!
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2777106
Please, oh for the love of the Constitution please, explain to me how a GOVERNOR GETS EARMARKS!!!
You know Journey,
I've come to the conclusion if they could grasp reasonably simple concepts like that they wouldn't be supporting Obama.
 
gonefishcrazy

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What about the people who does not agree on any of McCain's policies but refuse to vote for a black man.
I happen to disagree with McCain policies, side with Obama policies, and besides Im a democrat for life. Anyway, I spend my weekends campaigning for Obama, registering people to vote. I held my first voters registration drive two weeks ago and registered 50 democrats.
My friend and I will be using November 4th to help get people to the polls.
May the best person win.
Good Luck to all voting Republican.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by gonefishcrazy
http:///forum/post/2777394
What about the people who does not agree on any of McCain's policies but refuse to vote for a black man.
I happen to disagree with McCain policies, side with Obama policies, and besides Im a democrat for life. Anyway, I spend my weekends campaigning for Obama, registering people to vote. I held my first voters registration drive two weeks ago and registered 50 democrats.
My friend and I will be using November 4th to help get people to the polls.
May the best person win.
Good Luck to all voting Republican.

Still like you to explain how a Governor gets earmarks...
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2777197
US News and World Report and the Hill are well respected publications. Those are the website where both articles are posted by staff writers. The fact that you are clueless about the publications really doesn't surprise me.
What does it matter if McCain talks about this or not? It doesn't change the fact that Obama lied about his ties to Ayers. Obama isn't talking about McCains age. Does that make McCain younger?
Sorry I don't sit around all day sifting through publications like The Hill that most likely don't reach any further than the Virginia border. Us stupid Texans don't get out much. HeeHaw!!!
You seem to want to stay stuck on stupid on this issue. Show me facts, not reports from some staff writer who got the information from someone who got it from someone who heard it from Ayers' third cousin removed. This is the digital age. Show me pictures of Obama directly associating with Ayers. Show me the infamous photos of him sitting in Ayers apartment talking political strategies. Send me sound or video clips of him speaking with Ayers. Unless you can, then it's all hearsay. McCain has everything to do with talking about this. If he felt this was an issue, he'd be bringing it up in every speech he made. You Republican Conspirators are the only one's making something out of nothing. And what do you mean about Obama talking about McCain's age? You mean my reference that when Ayers was associated with the Weatherman Underground, that it occured almost 40 years ago, and Obama was only 8 at the time? That's the point. IT HAPPENED FOUR DECADES AGO. And you think McCain is totally honest with everything from his background? That he's never lied about certain associations (i.e Keating et. al.)?
You are a funny person.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2777106
Please, oh for the love of the Constitution please, explain to me how a GOVERNOR GETS EARMARKS!!!
So you're saying that a governor from any state never gets any Federal Assistance specifically for their state? I would say that would be considered an earmark. Was Palin in any shape of form involved with trying to get the funds for the infamous 'Bridge To Nowhere', or was that completely Stevens doing? Was the $27 million she parlayed for her Professional Hockey Rink for her little town of Wasilla (pop. 5800? Or was it called Mayberry RFD?) received by the State of Alaska, or from Federal Grants? I know we have to be specific with the definitions and terminology we use when we debate any issue with you.
 
miaheatlvr

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Whats up with the singing kids of change for OBOMBUS that turned out to be a professional production and not amateur that was removed from his site after 12hrs after being panned by the media AND ACCORN accused of fixing votes?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2777423
Sorry I don't sit around all day sifting through publications like The Hill that most likely don't reach any further than the Virginia border. Us stupid Texans don't get out much. HeeHaw!!!
You seem to want to stay stuck on stupid on this issue. Show me facts, not reports from some staff writer who got the information from someone who got it from someone who heard it from Ayers' third cousin removed. This is the digital age. Show me pictures of Obama directly associating with Ayers. Show me the infamous photos of him sitting in Ayers apartment talking political strategies. Send me sound or video clips of him speaking with Ayers. Unless you can, then it's all hearsay. McCain has everything to do with talking about this. If he felt this was an issue, he'd be bringing it up in every speech he made. You Republican Conspirators are the only one's making something out of nothing. And what do you mean about Obama talking about McCain's age? You mean my reference that when Ayers was associated with the Weatherman Underground, that it occured almost 40 years ago, and Obama was only 8 at the time? That's the point. IT HAPPENED FOUR DECADES AGO. And you think McCain is totally honest with everything from his background? That he's never lied about certain associations (i.e Keating et. al.)?
You are a funny person.
Staff writers for credible publications. And Obama is willingly associating with two individuals who brag about the fact they were guilty as sin and have no regrets about what they did 4 decades ago
Here's more on this
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
"Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.
The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.
The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them."
"The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.
One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's "recruitment" to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval."
Anothert great article on this stuff for you non koolaide drinkers out there
http://townhall.com/Columnists/GuyBe...ers_fact_sheet
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2777433
So you're saying that a governor from any state never gets any Federal Assistance specifically for their state? I would say that would be considered an earmark. Was Palin in any shape of form involved with trying to get the funds for the infamous 'Bridge To Nowhere', or was that completely Stevens doing? Was the $27 million she parlayed for her Professional Hockey Rink for her little town of Wasilla (pop. 5800? Or was it called Mayberry RFD?) received by the State of Alaska, or from Federal Grants? I know we have to be specific with the definitions and terminology we use when we debate any issue with you.
Maybe if you could get the cost of the complex right, it was 14 million, you would know how it was funded
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2777718
Staff writers for credible publications. And Obama is willingly associating with two individuals who brag about the fact they were guilty as sin and have no regrets about what they did 4 decades ago
Here's more on this
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
"Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.
The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.
The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them."
"The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.
One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's "recruitment" to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval."
Anothert great article on this stuff for you non koolaide drinkers out there
http://townhall.com/Columnists/GuyBe...ers_fact_sheet

So what does this useless diatribe prove? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT HIS ASSOCIATION WITH AYERS HAS TO DO WITH HIS PATRIOTISM. PLEASE TELL ME WHAT AYERS HAS DONE IN THE LAST 40 YEARS THAT WARRANTS HIM BEING A DANGEROUS PERSON. If ignorance is bliss, you must be the happiest person in the world. Dude, read the article you just posted. Obama was on a Board with these people to promote education. If they are responsible for delegating what happens to $100 million dollars, don't you think they would talk to one another? You want to make Ayers out to be one of Obama's primary political advisors. What would Ayers tell him? "Now if McCain gets to aggressive in the next debate, I can show you how to build the perfect pipe bomb. We can then make anonymous calls to the arena where the debate is being held, and force an evacuation so the debate will end abruptly with no true winner."
You really need to find another conspiracy theory on Obama. The more useless writings you bring up on Ayers, the more it proves there's nothing behind Obama's and Ayers' association.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2777422
Still like you to explain how a Governor gets earmarks...
So What Did Palin Request in Federal Earmarks? Seal DNA Research!
By Kate Klonick - September 10, 2008, 8:34PM
As we've mentioned elsewhere on TPM, Sarah Palin was not quite as conservative as she claims in her requests for earmarks. And here's a great example from just this year.
According to Alaska's 2009 catalog of earmark requests the state's sea life are in great need of federal money. As Politico points out, Palin's office requested $2 million in federal monies to study crab mating habits; $494,900 for the recreational halibut harvest and $3.2 million for seal genetics research.
Those requests for the study of wildlife genetics and mating habits seems pretty antithetical to the long-standig views of Palin's running mate, John McCain.
"We're not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," McCain said earlier this year, referring to a request from Montana for federal money to study the endangered grizzly bear. "I don't know if it was a paternity issue or criminal, but it was a waste of money."
By Tom Hamburger and Maeve Reston, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
September 13, 2008
NEW YORK -- John McCain got it wrong Friday when he asserted that his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, had not requested any earmarks, the spending directives lawmakers insert in spending bills that McCain has vowed to eliminate.
Palin, in fact, requested $198 million in federal earmarks in February, including such expenses as $487,000 to fight obesity in Alaska and $4 million to develop recreational trails.
By day's end, the McCain campaign backed down from the claim the GOP presidential candidate made on the ABC television show "The View."
"Sen. McCain was in the throes of a discussion about her record of reforming government, which includes drastic cuts in wasteful spending in the Alaska state budget," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. "If he gave viewers a mistaken impression, it certainly wasn't intentional or without some basis in fact."
Palin's approach to earmarks has been much closer to the views of Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, than of McCain, who wants to end the entire earmark system.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, September 2, 2008; Page A01
ST. PAUL, Minn., Sept. 1 -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog group. There was $500,000 for a youth shelter, $1.9 million for a transportation hub, $900,000 for sewer repairs, and $15 million for a rail project -- all intended to benefit Palin's town, Wasilla, located about 45 miles north of Anchorage.
Open mouth, insert foot.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2777433
So you're saying that a governor from any state never gets any Federal Assistance specifically for their state? I would say that would be considered an earmark. Was Palin in any shape of form involved with trying to get the funds for the infamous 'Bridge To Nowhere', or was that completely Stevens doing? Was the $27 million she parlayed for her Professional Hockey Rink for her little town of Wasilla (pop. 5800? Or was it called Mayberry RFD?) received by the State of Alaska, or from Federal Grants? I know we have to be specific with the definitions and terminology we use when we debate any issue with you.
Gee... the irony.
You want to completely change the definition of "earmark" to allow it to comply with the false information posted here.
Meanwhile, you refuse to believe Obama served on a committee with Ayers or started his political campaign with Ayers; even though 30 seconds of research on your part would confirm this....
 
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