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stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3262819
I don't know of a whole lot of anti immigration folks but I don't hang with rednecks
. I do think when out unemployment rate breaks 6% we should cut back on Visas and perhaps drop quotas. I don't think we need to be bringing in competition for jobs in tough times but other than that bring them in, they tend to be more educated and knowledgeable about the country than people who were born here.
. Well the rednecks I know are all mexicans... Lol.
I guess with my experience with my immigrant family vs say the Obama and the folks who don't think they have a chance in this country. I'll take a dude willing to sneak across a desert looking for a jobvs someone on his 99 weeks of unemployed.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3262819
I don't know of a whole lot of anti immigration folks but I don't hang with rednecks
. I do think when out unemployment rate breaks 6% we should cut back on Visas and perhaps drop quotas. I don't think we need to be bringing in competition for jobs in tough times but other than that bring them in, they tend to be more educated and knowledgeable about the country than people who were born here.
. Well the rednecks I know are all mexicans... Lol.
I guess with my experience with my immigrant family vs say the Obama and the folks who don't think they have a chance in this country. I'll take a dude willing to sneak across a desert looking for a jobvs someone on his 99 weeks of unemployment. Or having babies to increase her welfare check.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3262821
. Well the rednecks I know are all mexicans... Lol.
I guess with my experience with my immigrant family vs say the Obama and the folks who don't think they have a chance in this country. I'll take a dude willing to sneak across a desert looking for a jobvs someone on his 99 weeks of unemployed.
Problem is for every hard working person how many come across with him to smuggle drugs or come in to scam the system?
Most of my high school friends were "Mexicans" and I can tell you these guys hated illegals. I am not sure what is up with these hispanic rights groups who just want to give those who snuck in citizenship but based on those I knew I am surprised they have the support for this amnesty crap they claim.
I would be all for giving illegals who come forward a Visa and allow them to get in line for citizenship, THE REAR OF THE LINE!!! I would never favor giving any advantage to someone who broke the law to come here.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3262912
Problem is for every hard working person how many come across with him to smuggle drugs or come in to scam the system?
Most of my high school friends were "Mexicans" and I can tell you these guys hated illegals. I am not sure what is up with these hispanic rights groups who just want to give those who snuck in citizenship but based on those I knew I am surprised they have the support for this amnesty crap they claim.
I would be all for giving illegals who come forward a Visa and allow them to get in line for citizenship, THE REAR OF THE LINE!!! I would never favor giving any advantage to someone who broke the law to come here.
May be it is the circle I run in. But In my personal experience and I have a lot of it. The hard worker is the rule rather than the exception. But that is just personal experience. I have no scientific proof one way or the other.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3262975
May be it is the circle I run in. But In my personal experience and I have a lot of it. The hard worker is the rule rather than the exception. But that is just personal experience. I have no scientific proof one way or the other.
We don't see a lot of the crap here in Colorado but a Buddie is a county mountie in Arizona and he says it's crazy down there right now and he isn't even in the border area where most of the crap is happening.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3262981
We don't see a lot of the crap here in Colorado but a Buddie is a county mountie in Arizona and he says it's crazy down there right now and he isn't even in the border area where most of the crap is happening.
Hey don't get me wrong, there are a bunch of bad apples. But Like down here, if one day a drunk driver happens to be an illegal, and kills someone, the local talk radio host spends the whole day ragging on illegal immigration. How many people die every day in houston, from drunk drivers. I'm sure there are a at least a couple a week. I guess it is, let the man who has no sin cast the first stone.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3262994
Hey don't get me wrong, there are a bunch of bad apples. But Like down here, if one day a drunk driver happens to be an illegal, and kills someone, the local talk radio host spends the whole day ragging on illegal immigration. How many people die every day in houston, from drunk drivers. I'm sure there are a at least a couple a week. I guess it is, let the man who has no sin cast the first stone.
Most of the stories I hear about that is when the illegal has priors and wasn't dealt with. Thats what I like about the AZ law. It lets the cops actually do something to get the criminal element out of the country when they come in contact with them.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3263008
Most of the stories I hear about that is when the illegal has priors and wasn't dealt with. Thats what I like about the AZ law. It lets the cops actually do something to get the criminal element out of the country when they come in contact with them.
But the problem isn't that he was an illegal, the problem was he was driving drunk. The root problem isn't that he was illegal, the root problem was they didn't do anything to him, the 5 time's he got convicted of something before... Does that make any sense? I think we should be worried that we have a justice system that lets repeat offenders back on the streets...
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3263024
But the problem isn't that he was an illegal, the problem was he was driving drunk. The root problem isn't that he was illegal, the root problem was they didn't do anything to him, the 5 time's he got convicted of something before... Does that make any sense? I think we should be worried that we have a justice system that lets repeat offenders back on the streets...
Yep but when the illegal gets cracked that first time he is driving without a license nor a legal right to even be in the country. That is where the outrage comes in. If law enforcement was allowed to do the right thing the illegal wouldn't even be in the country to have the chance to be a repeat offender. I can see the rationale behind not wanting to do illegal roundups but there is no logical reason why we shouldn't deport them when they are stopped by the cops for breaking a law. There was a guy here who was ticketed several time prior to killing someone DUI. His previous offenses were just traffic offenses but why keep releasing the guy? No license, no insurance, no right to be here but all they do is issue a ticket and let him go. It's a load of crap.
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3263030
Yep but when the illegal gets cracked that first time he is driving without a license nor a legal right to even be in the country. That is where the outrage comes in. If law enforcement was allowed to do the right thing the illegal wouldn't even be in the country to have the chance to be a repeat offender. I can see the rationale behind not wanting to do illegal roundups but there is no logical reason why we shouldn't deport them when they are stopped by the cops for breaking a law. There was a guy here who was ticketed several time prior to killing someone DUI. His previous offenses were just traffic offenses but why keep releasing the guy? No license, no insurance, no right to be here but all they do is issue a ticket and let him go. It's a load of crap.
Could you imagine if we spent the money and manpower that we have spent in Iraq on securing our borders? Just saying

Fishtaco (sorry were broke and we have to sell the Lambo)
 
reefraff

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Could you imagine if we pulled out of Iraq when Reid and Obama wanted to and just let the terrorists just have free reign?
Reefraff (As expensive as war is we can't afford to leave the job half done again)
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3263336
Could you imagine if we pulled out of Iraq when Reid and Obama wanted to and just let the terrorists just have free reign?
Reefraff (As expensive as war is we can't afford to leave the job half done again)
I agree we have to finish what we started, but it should have never started in the first place, Afghanistan and securing the borders should have been the priority, since the attack happened within our borders. All the lives and money wasted in Iraq and a terrorist can easily get into Canada or Mexico and walk across the border with a WMD. Obama gets an F for border security also, this should not be a partisan issue.
Fishtaco
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3263339
I agree we have to finish what we started, but it should have never started in the first place, Afghanistan and securing the borders should have been the priority, since the attack happened within our borders. All the lives and money wasted in Iraq and a terrorist can easily get into Canada or Mexico and walk across the border with a WMD. Obama gets an F for border security also, this should not be a partisan issue.
Fishtaco

Amazing how these thread evolve.
The reason we are in Iraq is numerous violations of UN resolutions and the cease fire agreement with the US. There is no doubt that Iraq was doing everything in their power to give the impression they had something to hide when it came to WMD's. They were also openly supporting terrorists attacking Israel and even Putin had said Russia had evidence that Iraq had expressed interests in gaining the ability to make terrorist style attacks against the US both abroad and in the country. Add to that Iraq'a attempt to whack Daddy Bush just a few years after we kick the peewallering snot out of them in GW I and it wasn't such a bad idea post 9-11 to take out Iraq. I mean if they were willing to hit the former president do you really think they would have hesitated to help terrorists.
Where Bush lost me on it was when he said knowing what he knows now (after we discovered their WMD's were gone) he would still invade Iraq. Saddam needed to be dealt with but there were better ways to do it if we didn't have to worry about him passing off WMD's to a terrorist group/
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3263348
Amazing how these thread evolve.
The reason we are in Iraq is numerous violations of UN resolutions and the cease fire agreement with the US. There is no doubt that Iraq was doing everything in their power to give the impression they had something to hide when it came to WMD's. They were also openly supporting terrorists attacking Israel and even Putin had said Russia had evidence that Iraq had expressed interests in gaining the ability to make terrorist style attacks against the US both abroad and in the country. Add to that Iraq'a attempt to whack Daddy Bush just a few years after we kick the peewallering snot out of them in GW I and it wasn't such a bad idea post 9-11 to take out Iraq. I mean if they were willing to hit the former president do you really think they would have hesitated to help terrorists.
Where Bush lost me on it was when he said knowing what he knows now (after we discovered their WMD's were gone) he would still invade Iraq. Saddam needed to be dealt with but there were better ways to do it if we didn't have to worry about him passing off WMD's to a terrorist group/
Didn't we just have this discussion that there was no proof Saddam ever tried to execute Bush Sr., or was that Bin Laden? Either case, I still think this was a weak excuse to start the war with Iraq, and even more of a lame excuse to continue this 'war' for another 8 years. They got rid of Sadaam in the first week. Exactly what 'terrorists' have remained in Iraq since Sadaam's ouster? We've been sitting in that country playing 'middle man/peacekeeper/negotiator' for two or three religious factions that can't figure out who should run that country now. Is it the Sunni's we're fighting, Kurds, Shiite's, all three? Does anyone honestly think that once one of these factions does win their 'King Of The Mountain' game, that they'll all play nice with one another once we do finally pull out of Iraq? Whether we leave tomorrow, or would've pulled out 5 years ago, the end result would be the same. One group would have control, and the others would be scheming to find a way to de-throne them.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3263377
Didn't we just have this discussion that there was no proof Saddam ever tried to execute Bush Sr., or was that Bin Laden? Either case, I still think this was a weak excuse to start the war with Iraq, and even more of a lame excuse to continue this 'war' for another 8 years. They got rid of Sadaam in the first week. Exactly what 'terrorists' have remained in Iraq since Sadaam's ouster? We've been sitting in that country playing 'middle man/peacekeeper/negotiator' for two or three religious factions that can't figure out who should run that country now. Is it the Sunni's we're fighting, Kurds, Shiite's, all three? Does anyone honestly think that once one of these factions does win their 'King Of The Mountain' game, that they'll all play nice with one another once we do finally pull out of Iraq? Whether we leave tomorrow, or would've pulled out 5 years ago, the end result would be the same. One group would have control, and the others would be scheming to find a way to de-throne them.
Sure hope we had proof Saddam was going to hit Bush
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...ine/062793.htm
Ever hear of the group Al Qeada in Iraq? Whichever faction ends up king of the hill we just gotta hope they don't get into bed with the terrorist. One thing is for sure. Had we pulled out after wacking Hussein Al Qeada would be running the country, at least the part that Iran didn't control.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3263384
Sure hope we had proof Saddam was going to hit Bush
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...ine/062793.htm
Ever hear of the group Al Qeada in Iraq? Whichever faction ends up king of the hill we just gotta hope they don't get into bed with the terrorist. One thing is for sure. Had we pulled out after wacking Hussein Al Qeada would be running the country, at least the part that Iran didn't control.
Al Qaeda? No way. The only supposed connection Iraq had with Al-Qaeda was Sadaam was funding their efforts and giving them refuge. They had no political power in Iraq. The Kurds, Shiite's, and Sunni's have been fighting for power even when Sadaam was alive. You'd have a better chance of the Taliban taking over Iraq than you would Al-Qaeda. Bin Laden doesn't even wield that much power in Afghanistan. That's just a perfect place for him to hide.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3263400
Al Qaeda? No way. The only supposed connection Iraq had with Al-Qaeda was Sadaam was funding their efforts and giving them refuge. They had no political power in Iraq. The Kurds, Shiite's, and Sunni's have been fighting for power even when Sadaam was alive. You'd have a better chance of the Taliban taking over Iraq than you would Al-Qaeda. Bin Laden doesn't even wield that much power in Afghanistan. That's just a perfect place for him to hide.
Previous to the invasion Iraq had tenative contacts with the official Al Qaeda and rendered medical aid to one of their big wigs hurt in Afghanistan. I am talking post invasion when all the terrorists turned their attention to Iraq and set up Al Qeada in Iraq. Google it. Very well known group of terrorist.
 
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