Israel Now Listed As A Terrorist Nation By Obama Administration

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/386459/israel-now-listed-as-a-terrorist-nation-by-obama-administration#post_3394854
MY Presuident? I thought the President represented ALL citizens. If you disagree with his policies, fine. If you hate him so much, there's always a plane ticket to fly you to a more "Conservative friendly" nation of your choosing.
Nice attempt at the deflection, You voted for him, you defend him, now defend this. HIS administration is the one who published the list with the Muslim population on it yet you make a snide remark to the person that posted it.
 
reefraff

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Ha, Hitler. I saw an interesting bumper sticker the other day. It said only two politicians have been known by a symbol and showed a Swastika and the 0bama O. I don't like seeing anyone compared to Hitler like the left was so fond of doing with Bush but I did have to snicker when I saw that.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by crimzy http:///forum/thread/386459/israel-now-listed-as-a-terrorist-nation-by-obama-administration#post_3394847
As far as the list goes, I think it's unfair to label Israel as a a nation that "promotes, produces or supports" terrorists, however I can definitely understand why they are on the list. The muslims in Israel, the Palestinians, etc have carried out terrorist attacks. In terms of US national security, it makes sense to give someone some extra scrutiny if they came from that region. Doesn't really bother me...
lol, that is a funny way to look at it. Might get added to may arguments to piss off a liberal list...
 
mantisman51

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I am not, nor have I stated Obama is the next Hitler. What I am saying is that this continuous trend of scape-goating and smearing Israel is an anti-Semitic attempt to turn public opinion against Israel and Jews. Whether this is an attempt to curry favor with Muslims or an outright hatred of Jews is irrelevant. It is having the same effect. We are almost singly the ally of Israel now. All across Europe public opinion has turned against Israel. Look, if Jewish Americans don't have a problem with it, I can respect that to an extent. But in so many countries there are calls for the destruction of Israel. So having our nation join in to smear Israel upsets me beyond belief.
 
wangotango

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So when you were talking about "this is how the Nazis started" what did you mean? How can you be an ally of a nation and for their destruction at the same time? Again "continuous trend of scape-goating and smearing Israel" "outright hatred of Jews" "having our nation join in to smear Israel". How are we scape-goating Israel? Did we blame them for 9/11? How has President Obama and his administration shown an "outright hatred for Jews? "Smearing Israel?" How so? That ENTIRE region of the world is unstable and a possible threat to our security. If a single, or group of terrorists can cross from country A to B to C without too much hassle and then come here that's a problem. Keeping a closer eye is not the same as wanting to join the rest of the world in burning Israel to the ground.
So which is it? He's an anti-semite that doesn't want to destroy Israel and the Jews, or he's not an anti-semite and wants to destroy Israel and the Jews?
 
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Originally Posted by WangoTango http:///forum/thread/386459/israel-now-listed-as-a-terrorist-nation-by-obama-administration/20#post_3394867
So when you were talking about "this is how the Nazis started" what did you mean? How can you be an ally of a nation and for their destruction at the same time? Again "continuous trend of scape-goating and smearing Israel" "outright hatred of Jews" "having our nation join in to smear Israel". How are we scape-goating Israel? Did we blame them for 9/11? How has President Obama and his administration shown an "outright hatred for Jews? "Smearing Israel?" How so? That ENTIRE region of the world is unstable and a possible threat to our security. If a single, or group of terrorists can cross from country A to B to C without too much hassle and then come here that's a problem. Keeping a closer eye is not the same as wanting to join the rest of the world in burning Israel to the ground.
So which is it? He's an anti-semite that doesn't want to destroy Israel and the Jews, or he's not an anti-semite and wants to destroy Israel and the Jews?
To accuse someone of using Nazi tactics isn't comparing them to Hitler. Hitlers and the Nazi's rise to power does have a few interesting parallels to 0bama's but that doesn't make him the monster Hitler was. If you are going to slam someone for doing that start with the Vice President who sent a fundraising e-mail saying the Republicans were going to use Nazi tactics to defeat the Democrats.
 
wangotango

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I will give you the rising to power from incredible popularity parallel, but that's where it stops in my eyes. When Biden said that the Republicans were going to use Nazi tactics was he implying rounding up the Jews? Saying things like "continuous trend of scape-goating and smearing Israel is an anti-Semitic attempt to turn public opinion against Israel and Jews" "curry favor with Muslims or an outright hatred of Jews" "having our nation join in to smear Israel" and "The Nazi's didn't start by rounding up Jews. It started just like this, one step after another to poison the minds of the people against the Jews. But we have nothing to worry about. We have The Chosen One as president. He'll make sure everything is alright." to me makes a parallel to Nazi Germany.
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386459/israel-now-listed-as-a-terrorist-nation-by-obama-administration/20#post_3394868
To accuse someone of using Nazi tactics isn't comparing them to Hitler. Hitlers and the Nazi's rise to power does have a few interesting parallels to 0bama's but that doesn't make him the monster Hitler was. If you are going to slam someone for doing that start with the Vice President who sent a fundraising e-mail saying the Republicans were going to use Nazi tactics to defeat the Democrats.
 
mantisman51

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"Whether this is an attempt to curry favor with Muslims or an outright hatred of Jews is irrelevant. It is having the same effect."
You don't read so well. His policies are having the same effect as those who are known and outright anti-Semitic. The Israelis are under attack from every direction around them. By Obama constantly taking the "other side", he is supporting the openly anti-Semitic. Now genius, answer your own question. Is he openly anti-Semitic and helping those who are trying to destroy Israel? Or is he ignorantly anti-Semitic and trying to destroy Israel?
 
mantisman51

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BTW to answer you more directly: I do believe many liberals (maybe not Obama, but the jury's still out) are openly Jew-haters and want to see Israel and Jews destroyed. They see Israel as an enemy and side with Muslim countries against Israel because they are anti-Semitic.
 
wangotango

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If he was openly anti-semetic then we would have heard about it and he would have made it evident that he was hell-bent on destroying Israel. If he's ignorantly anti-semetic and hell-bent on destroying Israel he'd probably have snuck troops or something over there for "some reason."
 
wangotango

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And you asked what bigotry was... And how is that an answer to any question I asked you?
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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/386459/israel-now-listed-as-a-terrorist-nation-by-obama-administration/20#post_3394872
BTW to answer you more directly: I do believe many liberals (maybe not Obama, but the jury's still out) are openly Jew-haters and want to see Israel and Jews destroyed. They see Israel as an enemy and side with Muslim countries against Israel because they are anti-Semitic.
 
mantisman51

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Oh I don't know, trying to force Israel to give up land that would cut their nation in two, leave every inch of Israel open to standard artillery and give said land to a nation that has the killing of Jews and the destruction of Israel in their constitution is a pretty blatant example of anti-Israeli sentiment.
 
mantisman51

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Right, I'm being bigoted. By standing up for a people the world has, by and large, turned against. I'm sure our Messiah has their best interest at heart.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by WangoTango http:///forum/thread/386459/israel-now-listed-as-a-terrorist-nation-by-obama-administration/20#post_3394873
If he was openly anti-semetic then we would have heard about it and he would have made it evident that he was hell-bent on destroying Israel. If he's ignorantly anti-semetic and hell-bent on destroying Israel he'd probably have snuck troops or something over there for "some reason."
Do you really think as a politician he tells you what he thinks or plans? Hell, there were a lot of people in this country who thought 0bama was a centrist when they voted for him. There are plenty of people, politicians included that see Israel as evil. They don't necessarily hate Jews but their hate of Israel is evident.
 
mantisman51

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And you know, if he or anyone starts this crap here in America against American Jews, I'll stand up against that as well. This is about his policies and attitude about Israel. And you deflecting again will not hide what he's doing today.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by WangoTango http:///forum/thread/386459/israel-now-listed-as-a-terrorist-nation-by-obama-administration/20#post_3394870
I will give you the rising to power from incredible popularity parallel, but that's where it stops in my eyes. When Biden said that the Republicans were going to use Nazi tactics was he implying rounding up the Jews? Saying things like "continuous trend of scape-goating and smearing Israel is an anti-Semitic attempt to turn public opinion against Israel and Jews" "curry favor with Muslims or an outright hatred of Jews" "having our nation join in to smear Israel" and "The Nazi's didn't start by rounding up Jews. It started just like this, one step after another to poison the minds of the people against the Jews. But we have nothing to worry about. We have The Chosen One as president. He'll make sure everything is alright." to me makes a parallel to Nazi Germany.
The "rich" Big oil Big Banks Private jet owners etc. ring a bell. Scape goating is alive and well in the 0bama administration. So is the propaganda tactics used by the Nazi's. Hey, it was effective. I have no issue with that. It's when they slip into Gestapo tactics I take issue.
 
mantisman51

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wangotango

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Never said nobody else was scapegoated, and never said Obama was innocent of it.
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/386459/israel-now-listed-as-a-terrorist-nation-by-obama-administration/20#post_3394881
The "rich" Big oil Big Banks Private jet owners etc. ring a bell. Scape goating is alive and well in the 0bama administration. So is the propaganda tactics used by the Nazi's. Hey, it was effective. I have no issue with that. It's when they slip into Gestapo tactics I take issue.
 
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