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darthtang aw

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Those countries you speak highly of, what is their unemployment rate..........why work if government will care for you.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732283
are you kidding! after desert storm Iraq was done. sanctions, inspectors, etc ensured that they couldnt rebuild there missle program. EVERYONE knew this, lol. and AGAIN! NOTHING WAS FOUND!!!! not by the U.N. inspectors or our military.

who is everyone?
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732283
are you kidding! after desert storm Iraq was done. sanctions, inspectors, etc ensured that they couldnt rebuild there missle program. EVERYONE knew this, lol. and AGAIN! NOTHING WAS FOUND!!!! not by the U.N. inspectors or our military.
In 1998 the inspectors were pulled, How did anyone know what Iraq had going on? After 3 years of inspections in 1995 Hussein's son in law defected and led the inspector to Iraq's nuclear arms program which the inspectors had no clue about up to that point. The UN said Iraq was about 18 months away from a nuke at that time. The inspections did a great job of finding that didn't they,
 
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vinnyraptor

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2732279
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I think we "Obama haters" have all given enough specific reasons why we oppose him to show your racism charge for what it is, lame propaganda.
So what has Obama achieved as a legislator that earns him your support? What specific accomplishments does he have that makes you so sure he can run the country? Maybe you just have a thing for black guys and like to throw out the racism card as a way of masking your own guilt

Maybe i have a thing for black guys? LMAO THERE IT IS! thats it, if i do then YOU DONT, point proven! and i like the fact that he hasn't been involved in the same old politics for half a century! thats the appeal. what he understands and you dont is that this country is fueled by guys like me, not guys like you. there are 50 of me for everyone one of you ( income ) and we eat, drive, pay taxes, go to the doctor, and die just like you. when our jobs dry up so does the economy. when we suffer so does the ecomomy, we drive it, not you. he also see's that we cant compete globally, our trade agreements are a joke, and were way behind in technology. he see's that we are misusing our military in Iraq, Bin Laden did this why isnt Bin Laden the #1 priority? All of America's greatest leaders were in there 40's or 50's and had little or no political expierence. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Kennedy, etc. this is also true throughout history, some of the greatest leaders of all time were young men. when you say McCain is more expierenced i answer "yes at doing nothing" in that respect the less the better.
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732301
Maybe i have a thing for black guys? LMAO THERE IT IS! thats it, if i do then YOU DONT, point proven! and i like the fact that he hasn't been involved in the same old politics for half a century! thats the appeal. what he understands and you dont is that this country is fueled by guys like me, not guys like you. there are 50 of me for everyone one of you ( income ) and we eat, drive, pay taxes, go to the doctor, and die just like you. when our jobs dry up so does the economy. when we suffer so does the ecomomy, we drive it, not you. he also see's that we cant compete globally, our trade agreements are a joke, and were way behind in technology. he see's that we are misusing our military in Iraq, Bin Laden did this why isnt Bin Laden the #1 priority? All of America's greatest leaders were in there 40's or 50's and had little or no political expierence. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Kennedy, etc. this is also true throughout history, some of the greatest leaders of all time were young men. when you say McCain is more expierenced i answer "yes at doing nothing" in that respect the less the better.
WHat exactly would you suppose my income is there kreskine? I'ff give you credit if you are within 20 grand.
As for your list of leaders with no political experience you might want to do a little research there.
 

kjr_trig

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Vinny, thats really brilliant of you to make blanket statements about Republicans
As stated we all have different reasons for why we side with a certain party. When I was just out of college making $16,000 a year I still didn't think it was the responsibility of the wealthy to pay more in taxes to support the lower class, the lazy, or the uneducated. Help is available for those whom truely need it, it always has been. The upper class shouldn't have to pay for healthcare for the lower class.
And now you are blaming crime, obesity, and age expectancy on the Republicans? Or is it just you saying what a horrible country this is, if so, Canada would be glad to have you, then you could see what a terrible healthcare system is like.
That is just the tip of the iceberg as to why i'm Republican, but I don't have time to elaborate further, I need to get back to work so I can keep paying my taxes to support the Dems programs.
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2732304
WHat exactly would you suppose my income is there kreskine? I'ff give you credit if you are within 20 grand.
As for your list of leaders with no political experience you might want to do a little research there.

I'd guess 35k a year....
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732241
Exxon made 1500 but paid 4000? they would be bankrupt, i assume thats a type o. Clearly you dont know what your talking about when it comes to healthcare either.

Lets do a little business lesson. Profit = Income - Expenses
So before you go on insulting me think just a little bit.
so If say Exxon's income was 150 billion dollars they spend 110 billion back into their business ie exploration, alternative energy, payroll, capital like boats ect, they pay the government 30 billion in taxes, then they keep or profits are 10 billion. (not actual #'s but trying to explain basic business to vinny)
 

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2732315
Lets do a little business lesson. Profit = Income - Expenses
So before you go on insulting me think just a little bit.
so If say Exxon's income was 150 billion dollars they spend 110 billion back into their business ie exploration, alternative energy, payroll, capital like boats ect, they pay the government 30 billion in taxes, then they keep or profits are 10 billion. (not actual #'s but trying to explain basic business to vinny)
I don't know, I'm thinking that went over his head quicker than a Josh Hamilton line drive (inside joke)...Pretty complicated stuff there.
 

stdreb27

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vinny just shows the cookie cutter liberal prejudice, America sucks. We should have mass transit, (I prefer to drive), our healthcare sucks, Republicans are rich racist greedy pigs. And China and europe is our Utopia. After all Russia has their own oil (who is standing in the way of drilling in the usa?) France has nuclear energy (who is standing in the way of nuclear energy) They have transit system, (because owning a car over their is literally prohibitively expensive) and $4 gas over there is nothing new. yeah, our system sucks...
Oh and republicans are all rich and greedy. (which presidential candidate actually owns the house so his family can live in them...)
 

moprint

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Obama hasn't even finished his first term as a senator from Ill. I don't care about his stand on issues that doesn't even matter he does not have the experience(spl) to be president. Heck his vp pick even said that, know he's flipped and flopped like a clownfish on the carpet. Has nothing to do with color or race, but funny he is the one that always mentions that. Like saying I don't look like those presidents on dollar bills.
 

tangman99

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732184
why cant all of you Obama haters just admit why you dont like him? i mean i see it on your faces everyday. and by yours i mean 40+ white males making over 250 grand a year. you dont want to pay a higher tax to fund education, healthcare, and other social programs for those less fortunate then yourselves, especially inner city "urban people". the ones you deem ignorant, lazy, worthless etc... and two you dont want a "N WORD" running YOUR country! it's obvious to me...............
You have got to be F%$#$ S#%$#@ me. You make a blanket statement like that?
Let see:
I'm a 40+ year old white male and we won't go into my income but counting household, you are pretty close. I'm sure I'm not the only one on here either.
Do I hate Obama? No. Do I want him to be president. No. Is that my right as a voting citizen of this country? Yes. Is it because he is black? No. He doesn't have the experience to be the leader of our country, period. Is it because I am a republican? No, I can think for myself but do tend to agree with them most of the time. Do I listen to Rush Limbaugh? I personally think rush in a radio entertainer and an extreme idiot. I'm not the only republican over 40 white male that makes over 250K a year that thinks that either.
I don't want to pay more in taxes? Who the hell does? You don't even want to know what I paid in taxes last year. I also donated close to 10K to charity last year and that did not include a dime toward any religious entity which I don't support for my own reasons. Did some of this go to inner city urban people? You bet it did. Do I think inner city people are lazy? Fact is, some are and I could give a rat's ass about them, but many are really working hard trying to make an honest living and better themselves and those are the ones I would like to see make it.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when you do things to genuinely help people and get called out in a blanket statement like that, it's irritating. What if I took your comment to be a blanket statement that everyone I have helped by my donations believed? Perhaps I should just keep my money I worked so hard for to myself. I've got room for at least two more motorcycles in my garage.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/2732560
You have got to be F%$#$ S#%$#@ me. You make a blanket statement like that?
Let see:
I'm a 40+ year old white male and we won't go into my income but counting household, you are pretty close. I'm sure I'm not the only one on here either.
Do I hate Obama? No. Do I want him to be president. No. Is that my right as a voting citizen of this country? Yes. Is it because he is black? No. He doesn't have the experience to be the leader of our country, period. Is it because I am a republican? No, I can think for myself but do tend to agree with them most of the time. Do I listen to Rush Limbaugh? I personally think rush in a radio entertainer and an extreme idiot. I'm not the only republican over 40 white male that makes over 250K a year that thinks that either.
I don't want to pay more in taxes? Who the hell does? You don't even want to know what I paid in taxes last year. I also donated close to 10K to charity last year and that did not include a dime toward any religious entity which I don't support for my own reasons. Did some of this go to inner city urban people? You bet it did. Do I think inner city people are lazy? Fact is, some are and I could give a rat's ass about them, but many are really working hard trying to make an honest living and better themselves and those are the ones I would like to see make it.
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but when you do things to genuinely help people and get called out in a blanket statement like that, it's irritating. What if I took your comment to be a blanket statement that everyone I have helped by my donations believed? Perhaps I should just keep my money I worked so hard for to myself. I've got room for at least two more motorcycles in my garage.
You should listen to the Rush, he is pretty smart, most of the "news reports" that focus on him take things he has said way out of context. To cast him in a bad light. He does a VERY good job at arguing his positions (even if you don't agree, his support for his views are very consistent and tie in very well) Besides he is pretty funny, and we share the same sarcastic sense of humor.
 

stdreb27

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Ruben's observations.
Democrats think that mass transportations like city busses and rail are a luxury good.
Republicans think mass transportation like city busses and rail are an inferior good...
 

tangman99

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2732594
You should listen to the Rush, he is pretty smart, most of the "news reports" that focus on him take things he has said way out of context. To cast him in a bad light. He does a VERY good job at arguing his positions (even if you don't agree, his support for his views are very consistent and tie in very well) Besides he is pretty funny, and we share the same sarcastic sense of humor.
I used to like Rush and used to listen to him. I agree with a lot of what he says but some things are just too far out there to support. Again, subject ot opinion. Any side can make the other side look like idiots. That's why it's best to be last in closing arguments if you are a lawyer. I forgot what it was that made me stop listening though to be honest with you.
 

darknes

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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732241
your wrong on infrastructure too. Europe and Asia have mass transit systems that blow us away. we have greyhound and amtrax... a F'ing joke!
Take a look at how spread out our population is...we dont have the need for a mass transit system like Europe does. Also, the American public has pride in being able to drive on their own...its a cultural thing.
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732241
Bejing built the largest airport in the world in 5 years just for the olympics and connected miles of underground rail. nothing compares to Europes rail system.
Again, we have no need for a rail system. Nobody would use it.
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2732241
Iceland has geothermal energy,
Lol, so do we. We use geothermal energy on many schools, office buildings, etc. What's your point?
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor

http:///forum/post/2732241
France is almost 100% nuclear,
You can thank your liberal buddies for us not relying more on nuclear plants.
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor

http:///forum/post/2732241
Russia produces its own oil,
Again, thank your liberal buddies that wont let us drill oil in the US.
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor

http:///forum/post/2732241
all have better healthcare, education, and infrastructure then us! not to mention a dozen European countries and most of developed Asia. I dont assume were the "best" simply because were American! lmao.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.

Our healthcare and education are just fine...no need for socialization.
Sounds like someone should just pack their bags and go live in socialist Europe. This is America, where the government should have as little power as necessary!
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/2732727
I used to like Rush and used to listen to him. I agree with a lot of what he says but some things are just too far out there to support. Again, subject ot opinion. Any side can make the other side look like idiots. That's why it's best to be last in closing arguments if you are a lawyer. I forgot what it was that made me stop listening though to be honest with you.
You know what got me listening to him? Years ago, I heard him say, something to the effect that the left is going to try and take away your SUV. I laughed then thought this guy is a nut. A few years later, I saw some article basically reporting on some proposed legislation where the left was trying to eliminate the SUV. And I said that nut was right. Sure some of his claims are over the top, however I've found most of the time, they are either said as a joke to "tweak the left" as he would say.
What is amazing imo is how much the left goes after him, and anyone who is Harry Reids enemy is going to be my friend...
 
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