Liberal Logic - AZ out China still alright with em...

mantisman51

mantisman51

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BTW, use google maps or Yahoo maps and look up Miracle Valley, Az-then Paul Spur, Az. From here to the New Mexico line is where 80% of the drugs and people being smuggled in are crossing. I have been asked why I would want to live and build here. This is my home. This is my country. Why should I have to submit to foreigners who want to take the land from me? Before anyone says "we took it illegaly first". Look up the Gadsen Purchase first, then you won't look like an idiot like all the rest who have tried that one.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3269604
Reef, the Mexican army special forces are escorting these b@st@rds across the border. The BP and Sheriff's deputies have been WAYYYY outgunned. They are using the guns and equipment our government gave them for drug interdiction to guard the deliveries. There is a video that was shown on Fox news of Mexican army trucks driving across the border, guarded by Mexican special forces, delivering bales of marijuana and cocaine. It is common here to see people in Mexican army uniforms crossing the border with groups of illegals. It really is out of control. This is an invasion, assisted by the Mexican government. Why can't the American people see this?
I think I know where I can lay my hands on some McMullen 50's :)
My best friend is a Maricopa County Mountie and is big into Cowboy Action shooting. I am sure he and some of his buddies wouldn't mind holding a border meet
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3269608
BTW, use google maps or Yahoo maps and look up Miracle Valley, Az-then Paul Spur, Az. From here to the New Mexico line is where 80% of the drugs and people being smuggled in are crossing. I have been asked why I would want to live and build here. This is my home. This is my country. Why should I have to submit to foreigners who want to take the land from me? Before anyone says "we took it illegaly first". Look up the Gadsen Purchase first, then you won't look like an idiot like all the rest who have tried that one.
When I left so Cal in the early 90's it was crazy. Of course I moved from there to Phoenix where it was worse but anyway it was bad back then. A friend of my mom's in Santa Ana was attacked by a guy who just ran back accross the border once he knew they were on to him. As luck would have it the guy got cracked for something in Mexico and they sent him back up to stand trial.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3269604
Reef, the Mexican army special forces are escorting these b@st@rds across the border. The BP and Sheriff's deputies have been WAYYYY outgunned. They are using the guns and equipment our government gave them for drug interdiction to guard the deliveries. There is a video that was shown on Fox news of Mexican army trucks driving across the border, guarded by Mexican special forces, delivering bales of marijuana and cocaine. It is common here to see people in Mexican army uniforms crossing the border with groups of illegals. It really is out of control. This is an invasion, assisted by the Mexican government. Why can't the American people see this?
Because 98% of the US population don't live where you do. "Out of sight, out of mind." I almost ran over a pack of illegals 5 years ago while driving down Hwy 90 between San Antonio and Del Rio. It was late at night, and they were just strolling across as I came around the bend doing 70. What's hysterical is that just a 1/2 mile up the road was a US Border Patrol check stop! I had to stop in the middle of the highway and tell a Border Patrol agent that I was a US citizen. I told him what happened, and the guy just gave me this, "OK, it happens all the time, what do you want me to do about it" look, and told me to drive on.
I understand the reasoning behind the Arizona law. However, I can guarantee you it's not going to stop the illegals from crossing over. They'll just keep moving North or East to a state that doesn't care "Rocky Mountain High, Colorado!"
If you want to stop illegal immigration, you're going to have to go to extreme measures (ergo snipers on the border, land mines, etc.) Of course that's something the Humanitarians would never allow, and you'd probably start another US/Mexico war, with half the people who live in your town gunning after you.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3269879
Because 98% of the US population don't live where you do. "Out of sight, out of mind." I almost ran over a pack of illegals 5 years ago while driving down Hwy 90 between San Antonio and Del Rio. It was late at night, and they were just strolling across as I came around the bend doing 70. What's hysterical is that just a 1/2 mile up the road was a US Border Patrol check stop! I had to stop in the middle of the highway and tell a Border Patrol agent that I was a US citizen. I told him what happened, and the guy just gave me this, "OK, it happens all the time, what do you want me to do about it" look, and told me to drive on.
I understand the reasoning behind the Arizona law. However, I can guarantee you it's not going to stop the illegals from crossing over. They'll just keep moving North or East to a state that doesn't care "Rocky Mountain High, Colorado!"
If you want to stop illegal immigration, you're going to have to go to extreme measures (ergo snipers on the border, land mines, etc.) Of course that's something the Humanitarians would never allow, and you'd probably start another US/Mexico war, with half the people who live in your town gunning after you.
lol, I don't think that war would bode well for Mexico... Especially when we stopped trading with them...
I don't think anyone views a state law as a national fix...
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3269879
Because 98% of the US population don't live where you do. "Out of sight, out of mind." I almost ran over a pack of illegals 5 years ago while driving down Hwy 90 between San Antonio and Del Rio. It was late at night, and they were just strolling across as I came around the bend doing 70. What's hysterical is that just a 1/2 mile up the road was a US Border Patrol check stop! I had to stop in the middle of the highway and tell a Border Patrol agent that I was a US citizen. I told him what happened, and the guy just gave me this, "OK, it happens all the time, what do you want me to do about it" look, and told me to drive on.
I understand the reasoning behind the Arizona law. However, I can guarantee you it's not going to stop the illegals from crossing over. They'll just keep moving North or East to a state that doesn't care "Rocky Mountain High, Colorado!"
If you want to stop illegal immigration, you're going to have to go to extreme measures (ergo snipers on the border, land mines, etc.) Of course that's something the Humanitarians would never allow, and you'd probably start another US/Mexico war, with half the people who live in your town gunning after you.
We're already pretty well infested here but supposedly there is political support gaining steam to do something like Az just did. If Calyfornya wants to Boycott us I say we just dam the Colorado at the Utah border and divert the flow into New Mexico and west Texas
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3269879
Because 98% of the US population don't live where you do. "Out of sight, out of mind." I almost ran over a pack of illegals 5 years ago while driving down Hwy 90 between San Antonio and Del Rio. It was late at night, and they were just strolling across as I came around the bend doing 70. What's hysterical is that just a 1/2 mile up the road was a US Border Patrol check stop! I had to stop in the middle of the highway and tell a Border Patrol agent that I was a US citizen. I told him what happened, and the guy just gave me this, "OK, it happens all the time, what do you want me to do about it" look, and told me to drive on.
I understand the reasoning behind the Arizona law. However, I can guarantee you it's not going to stop the illegals from crossing over. They'll just keep moving North or East to a state that doesn't care "Rocky Mountain High, Colorado!"
If you want to stop illegal immigration, you're going to have to go to extreme measures (ergo snipers on the border, land mines, etc.) Of course that's something the Humanitarians would never allow, and you'd probably start another US/Mexico war, with half the people who live in your town gunning after you.
You know it's funny everyone (politicians) have a problem beefing up border security. My last trip to Mexico which I drove from here in Oregon to almost the tip of Baja was the last time I will visit Mexico. Everything was fine until we got about 100 miles south of the border and we had our first stop by the military to make sure our papers where in order, the whole time we had a 50. cal trained on us from a sand-bagged foxhole. A few hundred miles to the south there is a stop where they spray your car with something for a fee and confiscate any fruit, again with a 50. cal this time mounted on a Hummer trained on us the whole time, further in we went through several random stops where our vehicles where stopped and searched by the military all carrying automatic weapons. Remember this all happened as we where travelling south and spending those important tourist dollars the whole way. None of the military people that stopped us would speak a word of english and I have a feeling if we did not have a fluent spanish speaker with us the searches would have been even worse. So Mexico would not really have a leg to stand on if we did step up border security a whole bunch IMHO and I won't ever pay again to go on vacation to have guns pointed at me. Maybe that's why I don't like Arizona's law because I have been asked for my papers and it sucked.
Fishtaco
 
reefraff

reefraff

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We should use the same procedures that Mexico does on it's southern border.
It's a shame their corrupt government has drug the country so far down. We should take note.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3269957
You know it's funny everyone (politicians) have a problem beefing up border security. My last trip to Mexico which I drove from here in Oregon to almost the tip of Baja was the last time I will visit Mexico. Everything was fine until we got about 100 miles south of the border and we had our first stop by the military to make sure our papers where in order, the whole time we had a 50. cal trained on us from a sand-bagged foxhole. A few hundred miles to the south there is a stop where they spray your car with something for a fee and confiscate any fruit, again with a 50. cal this time mounted on a Hummer trained on us the whole time, further in we went through several random stops where our vehicles where stopped and searched by the military all carrying automatic weapons. Remember this all happened as we where travelling south and spending those important tourist dollars the whole way. None of the military people that stopped us would speak a word of english and I have a feeling if we did not have a fluent spanish speaker with us the searches would have been even worse. So Mexico would not really have a leg to stand on if we did step up border security a whole bunch IMHO and I won't ever pay again to go on vacation to have guns pointed at me. Maybe that's why I don't like Arizona's law because I have been asked for my papers and it sucked.
Fishtaco
You got juevo's driving through mexico... Most mexican national friends that I have won't drive through mexico.
Yeah, it always me mad me nervous, in the morning I'd see trucks full of security guards and their dirty auto's and shotguns headed to work. The bank I would bank at, while living in Guatemala wouldn't even let me carry a coat into the bank. And it wasn't fun the first time, when I tried to go in. (they had a coat checker)
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3269957
You know it's funny everyone (politicians) have a problem beefing up border security. My last trip to Mexico which I drove from here in Oregon to almost the tip of Baja was the last time I will visit Mexico. Everything was fine until we got about 100 miles south of the border and we had our first stop by the military to make sure our papers where in order, the whole time we had a 50. cal trained on us from a sand-bagged foxhole. A few hundred miles to the south there is a stop where they spray your car with something for a fee and confiscate any fruit, again with a 50. cal this time mounted on a Hummer trained on us the whole time, further in we went through several random stops where our vehicles where stopped and searched by the military all carrying automatic weapons. Remember this all happened as we where travelling south and spending those important tourist dollars the whole way. None of the military people that stopped us would speak a word of english and I have a feeling if we did not have a fluent spanish speaker with us the searches would have been even worse. So Mexico would not really have a leg to stand on if we did step up border security a whole bunch IMHO and I won't ever pay again to go on vacation to have guns pointed at me. Maybe that's why I don't like Arizona's law because I have been asked for my papers and it sucked.
Fishtaco
Any Mexico city within a 200 mile radius of the US border is no longer safe to drive in nowadays. I worked in almost every Texas border town years ago, and it wasn't that bad. I remember that when driving in Juarez and Monterrey, it was standard issue to wrap a 20 dollar bill around your driver's license when you were eventually pulled over by the local cops. I wouldn't bribe the Federales, because they had the tendency to throw Americans into the local jail for a few days. It's a totally different environment in the deep ******** cities. Puebla is 180 from any border town. I never had one problem down there, and wouldn't hesitate to walk the streets late at night.
A friend who has manufacturing plants down there has now been forbidden to travel to any Mexico location without an escort. He can't even drive in Juarez or Torreon any longer. Someone who works at the plant in Juarez meets him at the border and picks him up, and takes him directly to the plant. He can't leave the facility until the end of the day, when they drive him to the border and let him off right in front of the US side. He told me he was supposed to go to Torreon next week, but the trip was cancelled. This past weekend, the Federales found a truck with four bodies in the bed, and the decapitated heads sitting on the hood. They said the guys were part of a shootout in a bar in TORREON. Needless to say, he really had no interest in going.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3270019
Any Mexico city within a 200 mile radius of the US border is no longer safe to drive in nowadays. I worked in almost every Texas border town years ago, and it wasn't that bad. I remember that when driving in Juarez and Monterrey, it was standard issue to wrap a 20 dollar bill around your driver's license when you were eventually pulled over by the local cops. I wouldn't bribe the Federales, because they had the tendency to throw Americans into the local jail for a few days. It's a totally different environment in the deep ******** cities. Puebla is 180 from any border town. I never had one problem down there, and wouldn't hesitate to walk the streets late at night.
A friend who has manufacturing plants down there has now been forbidden to travel to any Mexico location without an escort. He can't even drive in Juarez or Torreon any longer. Someone who works at the plant in Juarez meets him at the border and picks him up, and takes him directly to the plant. He can't leave the facility until the end of the day, when they drive him to the border and let him off right in front of the US side. He told me he was supposed to go to Torreon next week, but the trip was cancelled. This past weekend, the Federales found a truck with four bodies in the bed, and the decapitated heads sitting on the hood. They said the guys were part of a shootout in a bar in TORREON. Needless to say, he really had no interest in going.
We had to go to a pipe mill in mexico last month. It went off without a hitch, thanks to a small army of private security.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Now the school is saying because there are some undocumented students that not all students would be safe so thats the basis for their decision. I got a solution. Turn over the illegal students to immigration for deportation. Problem solved.
 
darthtang aw

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This weekend Albuquerque's new mayor announced that police are now to check legal status of anyone they arrest and book. The liberals are going nuts and screaming racism and endangerment to the public safety.
How is this racism or endangerment?
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3270187
This weekend Albuquerque's new mayor announced that police are now to check legal status of anyone they arrest and book. The liberals are going nuts and screaming racism and endangerment to the public safety.
How is this racism or endangerment?
Just makes it obvuous this isn't about racism, it's about political power. The left sees the illegals as future voters (those who don't already vote) if they give them amnesty.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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And people wonder why there is such a throw the bums out attitude among the electorate. Did you see that jackass who lied about his military service do the dog and pony show today? Disgusting.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3270190
Just makes it obvuous this isn't about racism, it's about political power. The left sees the illegals as future voters (those who don't already vote) if they give them amnesty.
I think the dems are the racists for assuming all mexicans are brown with dark hair and eyes. I know several Mexicans who are blonde and blue eyed...
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Yep, and I went to school with a dark skinned, dark eyed Mexican named George Burns. It's just easier to claim every solution is based on racism that to fix the problem
 
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