Luv-A-Bully March in S. FL Oct 28!

1journeyman

Active Member
A puppy can't attack anything, it's a puppy.
Genetics plays a HUGE role in aggression. That's how breeds are bred for aggressiveness, passiveness, etc.
 

sugarfox03

Member
"The dogs are a victim of their breeding. Less than 200 years ago they were selectively bred for a purpose other than to be house pets. "
They were bred to fight, BUT...also bred to be EXTREMELY nice to people & children. Right now, they are victims of horrible owners. A people aggressive pit bull was NEVER bred, but destroyed immediately upon the sign of aggression, no matter how great a fighter. Aggression towards people in a pit bull is something that is new to the breed, it is due to ignorant, irresponsible owners seeing that as something that wanted and creating more. They are changing the breed. A true pit bull would NEVER bite, attack, chase down a person. Think about it, if the dogs in the fighting ring were aggressive, how would they be able to control them, or fix them up after they got injured? They wouldn't. Way back, pit bulls used to be called "The Nanny Dogs" because the same dogs in the fighting ring used to be the same dogs sleeping in bed with the children every night. So yes, they were "house dogs" in a way, but they also had a job, a horrible one, but still had a job. Unfortunately, people now use their strength, determination, and never ending willingness to please their owner against them. They train them to attack people, and still train them to fight other dogs. You will never see a responsibly bred pit bull attack someone. A dog that comes from selective breedings of only the best example of the breed. Where do you think the dogs come from that attack people, good, responsible breeders? He** no! They come from backyard bred mutts that have no health or temperament tests. The dogs have probably never seen a vet, but have an owner who thinks "I paid 'this amount of money' for my dog, if I breed her, I can make some money." And there is the problem. We don't need laws against these dogs, they aren't doing anything wrong. We need laws against horrible owners who choose to treat their dogs in a way that causes them to be aggressive. But, as humans, we always want a "quick fix" to every problem, and so they just outright ban pit bulls, thinking that will solve everything. Wrong. The people who are keeping these aggressive pit bulls are the same ones who will hide them during a ban. Pit bulls have been illegal to own in Miami since 1989, but they still have them there, dogfighting is still a problem, I get an email every week about all the pit bulls in Miami that were brought in, to see if I can save any. I'm sorry, I've gone completely off-track, I just get so worked up over these poor dogs. So many people are against them without knowing the facts, and I want to do all I can to change that. Thanks for your time!
 

sugarfox03

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
That's false... Dogs certainly can be born mean.
The only reason they are born mean is because a person bred them to be that way. Naturally, no breed is inherantly aggressive. Protective, yes, like mastiffs (guardian breeds.) Breeding aggressive dogs together & inbreeding causes aggressiveness, growing up I had an inbred dog (the parents were brother & sister) and he was terribly mean. We took him to obedience training, he was neutered at a young age, he was well socialized, everything. He was also twice the size he should have been. So yes, they can be born mean...but its only because they were bred that way.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by SugarFox03
The only reason they are born mean is because a person bred them to be that way... .
I agree almost 100% with ya. A minority of breeders and people have messed things up for the many...
If you can legislate against dumb people I'm all for ya :thinking:
 

petieaztec

Member
its unfortunatley the aggressive people who like these dogs. not all pit owners are that way. but most are. i had one he was not mean just looked that way. RIP bunny
 

tangwhispr

Member
Rots and pits should all be killed....maybe I'll let my Blue Corso take care of them all...its funny, Cane Corso are hands down the most aggressive dog, especially to other dogs...any people never hesitate to come up to mine.
 

petieaztec

Member
people hestiate to come up to my wiener dog too. its doesnt mean that all dachund hounds are argreesive. grown men ask me to not let him bite them. to put him outside when they are working on the house. he is ten lbs. or less. should all of them be killed too?
 

hartman413

Member
are we talking about a march to educate people or are we talking about how bad

[hr]
my dog is??? come on. you know it's not how aggressive a dog is that causes the damage. Yes pits are extremely strong. physically and mentally they are amazing dogs. Yes 200 /years ago it was considered a gentlemans sports to let thier dogs fight.. but it was never to the death, it was never for solely for money, and after ever fight the dogs knew who the master was and they were mended of thiere wounds and given a good life. fighting dogs were not kept outside, they were not chained to a tree. they were loved and cared for like you would ur yorkie or carin or any other breed. But now adays it is all about money and somekind of macho image. Like if your dog is strong you must be strong if your dog is bad

[hr]
you must be also. let me tell you when was the last time you saw people hop into a dirty pit and fight to the death and then afterwards chained to a tree? not gonnahappen yea sure all dogs can be made mean and aggressive. Cain corso, mastiffs, amstaffs, staffs, apbt, boxers, rots, dobies, sheps, you name it, i got bit more times by my ex's yorkie than i havce any other big bad pit. but yes again u are right when a pit attakcs it is bad. we are talking a dog that is pure muscle. but lets not kill off a breed because of bad owners. yes you can't make a law aganist stupid people. but you also shouldn't make a law tellin someone they have to give up their family pet because some wanna be gangsta fights his dog and it gets out and kills or hurts someone. yes i put kills first cause when they do attack someone dies sometimes. but then again lets ban suvs cause when one of those runs a red light and hits a honda it can also kill sometimes, because it is big and bad and powerfull. i tell people own a bully breed from birth. show it love get it from a good breeder and it will change your out look on them forever. dont let a few bad apples ruin it for the whole bushell
 

sugarfox03

Member
Originally Posted by TangWhispr
Rots and pits should all be killed....maybe I'll let my Blue Corso take care of them all...its funny, Cane Corso are hands down the most aggressive dog, especially to other dogs...any people never hesitate to come up to mine.
Thats a completely uncalled for comment and not at all appreciated. Please, if you have nothing positive to say, keep your comments to yourself. Thanks.
 

sugarfox03

Member
Originally Posted by petieaztec
its unfortunatley the aggressive people who like these dogs. not all pit owners are that way. but most are. i had one he was not mean just looked that way. RIP bunny

I would have to disagree that "most" people who own pitties are mean. They mean ones just get more recognition. The people who actually do whats right by their dogs don't get any media attention. There are a lot of wonderful pittie people out there.
 
K

kimc

Guest
Originally Posted by SugarFox03
I would have to disagree that "most" people who own pitties are mean. They mean ones just get more recognition. The people who actually do whats right by their dogs don't get any media attention. There are a lot of wonderful pittie people out there.

I've got to agree w/you!! We have a Staffordshire/red nose pit mix and he is a big baby.... We've been broken into 4 times in the past 6 years so his mean looks keep's strangers out of our fenced yard. We also have a old man Jack Russell (16 yrs) and he is so mean to Zeus and Zeus just takes Jack's growls and bites!! I'm about 2 hours from you... we will try to make the march!!!

 

phixer

Active Member
Wholly cow check this out:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/fact_book/1...e_Injuries.htm
Characterizing deaths from dog attacks
Injury Center researchers examined data about deadly dog attacks that occurred during 1979–1998. They found that at least 25 breeds of dogs had been involved in the fatal attacks. However, pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of the deaths for which the breed was known. Of the 227 fatal attacks for which data were available, more than two-thirds of attacks involved a single dog, and more than half involved dogs that were unrestrained on their owner's property. The findings of this study provide insight into the circumstances surrounding deadly dog attacks that may help shape prevention efforts.
http://www.kerrysteigerwalt.com/publ...ite/stats.html
Dog Bite Statistics and News
There are approximately 65 million dogs in the United States in 2006
Of the 4.7 million people are bitten every year, 800,000 need medical attention.
Every day an estimated 914 people seek emergency medical treatment due to dog bites.
On average, between 15 and 20 people die each year from dog maulings.
Children are the most common victims of dog bites, and half of the injuries they suffer occur on the face.
Economic losses from dog bites regularly exceed $1 billion, only a third of which is covered by insurance.
Between 1979 and 1996 there were 304 fatal dog attacks.
Most (77%) dog bite injuries occur to the friends or family.
Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, and German Shepard Dogs account for half of the fatal dog attacks between 1979 and 1998.
Dog bites rose 33% according to a study of a 7 year period in the 1990s.
There were 30 dog bite-related fatalities in California between 1979 and 1996.
In 2002 homeowner insurance claims paid on average $16,600 to victims of dog bites, up from $12,000 in 1998.
http://www.california-personal-injur...te_lawyer.html
The National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Humane Society of the United States recently updated data on fatal dog bites for the period 1989 to 1994. In the 6-year study published in the medical journal PEDIATRICS (Vol.97 No. 6, 891-5), Jeffrey J. Sacks, M.D. and associates reported the finding of 109 bite-related fatalities. They found that 57% of the deaths were in children under 10 years of age. 22% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog OFF the owner's property. 18% of the deaths involved a restrained dog ON the owner's property, and 59% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog ON the owner's property. The researchers also found that 10% of the dog bite attacks involved sleeping infants. The most commonly reported dog breeds involved were pit bulls (24 deaths), followed by rottweilers (16 deaths), and German shepherds (10 deaths). The authors point out that many breeds, however, are involved in the problem. The death rate from dog bite-related fatalities (18 deaths per year) in the 6-year study period remained relatively constant compared with the prior 10 years.
 

alyssia

Active Member
I have a friend that had a pit bull that was a total baby, but I've heard one too many stories about those dogs ripping kids throats out.
 
K

kimc

Guest
I hate to hear those stories. Yes it is ironic.... my sister had a Basenji (not on the vicious dog list) and that dog was just plain mean... yet it was raised with love.. go figure....
 

phixer

Active Member
Wholly Cow check this out:
Characterizing deaths from dog attacks
Injury Center researchers examined data about deadly dog attacks that occurred during 1979–1998. They found that at least 25 breeds of dogs had been involved in the fatal attacks. However, pit bull-type dogs and Rottweilers were involved in more than half of the deaths for which the breed was known. Of the 227 fatal attacks for which data were available, more than two-thirds of attacks involved a single dog, and more than half involved dogs that were unrestrained on their owner's property. The findings of this study provide insight into the circumstances surrounding deadly dog attacks that may help shape prevention efforts.
http://www.kerrysteigerwalt.com/publ...ite/stats.html
Dog Bite Statistics and News
There are approximately 65 million dogs in the United States in 2006
Of the 4.7 million people are bitten every year, 800,000 need medical attention.
Every day an estimated 914 people seek emergency medical treatment due to dog bites.
On average, between 15 and 20 people die each year from dog maulings.
Children are the most common victims of dog bites, and half of the injuries they suffer occur on the face.
Economic losses from dog bites regularly exceed $1 billion, only a third of which is covered by insurance.
Between 1979 and 1996 there were 304 fatal dog attacks.
Most (77%) dog bite injuries occur to the friends or family.
Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, and German Shepard Dogs account for half of the fatal dog attacks between 1979 and 1998.
Dog bites rose 33% according to a study of a 7 year period in the 1990s.
There were 30 dog bite-related fatalities in California between 1979 and 1996.
In 2002 homeowner insurance claims paid on average $16,600 to victims of dog bites, up from $12,000 in 1998.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...articlekey=572
The National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, and the Humane Society of the United States recently updated data on fatal dog bites for the period 1989 to 1994. In the 6-year study published in the medical journal PEDIATRICS (Vol.97 No. 6, 891-5), Jeffrey J. Sacks, M.D. and associates reported the finding of 109 bite-related fatalities. They found that 57% of the deaths were in children under 10 years of age. 22% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog OFF the owner's property. 18% of the deaths involved a restrained dog ON the owner's property, and 59% of the deaths involved an unrestrained dog ON the owner's property. The researchers also found that 10% of the dog bite attacks involved sleeping infants. The most commonly reported dog breeds involved were pit bulls (24 deaths), followed by rottweilers (16 deaths), and German shepherds (10 deaths). The authors point out that many breeds, however, are involved in the problem. The death rate from dog bite-related fatalities (18 deaths per year) in the 6-year study period remained relatively constant compared with the prior 10 years.
 

sugarfox03

Member
Originally Posted by Phixer
Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, and German Shepard Dogs account for half of the fatal dog attacks
Let's see...what are the breeds that are owned by thug/ghetto/idiot owners? Pit bulls & Rotties! :scared: Get these dogs out of the hands of idiots, and these accidents will stop, end of story. You don't see any stories about standard poodles running rampant and attacking people. Why? Because its not a "cool" breed to have, they are not widely bred by every other person. What does it take to show people that the problem is not behind the dog? It's the people behind the dog! I appreciate the people who are being supportive, but for the ones who continue to criticize and see these dogs as all dangerous for what a few have done, please open your eyes and do some research. Quit hiding behind the news stories and statistics, that proves nothing, other than we need stronger laws for people who have KNOWN dangerous dogs - dogs that have already proven themselves aggressive. Classifying all dogs of a certain breed into one group of "dangerous" dogs is like saying an entire race of human beings are all the same, its unfair. "Judge the deed, not the breed!"
 

phixer

Active Member
Understand... Im not criticizing the breed, as a matter of fact Ive never been biten by one. But its interesting what the data represents. If I owned a Pit Bull I would want to improve its reputation also.
Check this out.
Just yesterday KOGO AM (a local news radio station in San Diego) announced that two Pit Bulls attacked and killed a womans dog here in Mira Mesa. The police shot the two Pit Bulls when they turned and began heading for a 7 year old boy. The owner of Pit Bulls is now facing charges for letting them run loose.
Wow! have you seen this?
http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%...tatistics.html
 

petjunkie

Active Member
A well-bred pit bull should never bite. That's the truth. The problem comes from breeders, backyard or otherwise that are breeding these dogs for huge heads and the "mean" look. If you go online and type in pitbull breeders, you find a thousand websites selling 100 pound pitbulls. The standard pitbull is about 19 inches tall and between 30-60 pounds. When you stop breeding for health and only breed for size, the dog suffers. Yes a pitbull will cause damage when they bite, they are a terrier so they bite and shake, just like any terrier. If people stuck to how the breed was supposed to be bred and put down human aggressive dogs, this breed would be fine. Instead people starve them and beat them to be better fighters and the ones that don't fight end up in shelters. SugarFox, good luck with your march, I'm a little far away to go
 

alyssia

Active Member
Originally Posted by Phixer
Understand... Im not criticizing the breed, as a matter of fact Ive never been biten by one. But its interesting what the data represents. If I owned a Pit Bull I would want to improve its reputation also.
Check this out.
Just yesterday KOGO AM (a local news radio station in San Diego) announced that two Pit Bulls attacked and killed a womans dog here in Mira Mesa. The police shot the two Pit Bulls when they turned and began heading for a 7 year old boy. The owner of Pit Bulls is now facing charges for letting them run loose.
Wow! have you seen this?
http://www.dogexpert.com/Dog%20Bite%...tatistics.html

I live in Columbus, Ohio, and just a year ago a woman walking to the bus stop was killed by a pit bull, and two other women were attacked and seriously injured. When I was 13 a two year old girl who lived down the street from us was playing in her own back yard when a pit bull jumped the fence and ripped her throat out, HOWEVER, in both cases the dogs were abused and neglected by their idiot owners. Like I said before, I had a friend that had a pit bull that was the sweetest thing! I am leery of pit bulls but I'm afraid of most dogs that I don't "know".
 

tangwhispr

Member
Originally Posted by SugarFox03
Thats a completely uncalled for comment and not at all appreciated. Please, if you have nothing positive to say, keep your comments to yourself. Thanks.
Thats whats great...its my opinion and I am intitled to it....don't like it...don't post.
 
Top