Luv-A-Bully March in S. FL Oct 28!

sugarfox03

Member
Chihuahua's (and pomeranians) have caused a few deaths, actually. It was young children, but yes, it is possible for those dogs to kill...no joke. And 67 Demon, Pet Insurance isn't really an option, I run a rescue, this isn't one of my personal dogs. All of my dogs (and my cats!) are on heartworm prevention, the cats don't even go outside, but I take no risks with my babies. I'd have to put more money out than I would just to take care of it. I am going to speak with a local animal sanctuary tomorrow, and see if they can help me. Thanks for the prayers, they are definately needed right now. I have been in tears all day. This is so hard for me.
And I would trust my kids (if I had any) around a pit bull any day over a lab, chihuahua, or other such dog. I'm hooked on bullies, I won't own anything but from here on out!!
 

hartman413

Member
hey mel do you still have rusit??? i was just lookin on ur page she is a qt... just curious.. do you run the rescue out of ur house.... if you do let me know if u ever need any help with anything.. i am good @ manual labor
 

phixer

Active Member
Gerbils have tremendous ferocity and are fast too, a trained fighting gerbil could whoop most Pomeranians. I would prefer death from laughter after a Pomeranian mauling then admit to the ER I got my ice kicked by a fuzzy dog the size of a basketball. Most tweezers can exert more pressure than a Pomeranian bite :hilarious
Besides you could grab a Pomeranian with a pair of Velcro gloves.
 

emmitt2

Member
Originally Posted by SugarFox03
Chihuahua's (and pomeranians) have caused a few deaths, actually. It was young children, but yes, it is possible for those dogs to kill...no joke. And 67 Demon, Pet Insurance isn't really an option, I run a rescue, this isn't one of my personal dogs. All of my dogs (and my cats!) are on heartworm prevention, the cats don't even go outside, but I take no risks with my babies. I'd have to put more money out than I would just to take care of it. I am going to speak with a local animal sanctuary tomorrow, and see if they can help me. Thanks for the prayers, they are definately needed right now. I have been in tears all day. This is so hard for me.
And I would trust my kids (if I had any) around a pit bull any day over a lab, chihuahua, or other such dog. I'm hooked on bullies, I won't own anything but from here on out!!

There is no way a Pomeranian has caused a death, no matter how young the kid. As a Pomeranian owner, i find it pretty hilarious you are saying pits aren't really dangerous but pomeranians can KILL!!!!
 

sugarfox03

Member
Originally Posted by emmitt2
There is no way a Pomeranian has caused a death, no matter how young the kid. As a Pomeranian owner, i find it pretty hilarious you are saying pits aren't really dangerous but pomeranians can KILL!!!!

I'm sorry, not to be rude, but they have killed a baby before. Please look it up. All dogs have teeth, all dogs have the ability to be dangerous and kill. All my argument is is that pit bulls AS A BREED are not an dangerous as people make them out to be. Yes, a pit bull can be dangerous, but so can every single other dog out there, no matter the size or breed.
Article:
Small dog kills 6-week-old girl in California
October 9, 2000
Web posted at: 6:17 AM EDT (1017 GMT)
LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A small Pomeranian dog killed a 6-week-old baby while the infant's caretaker briefly left the child unattended to warm a bottle of milk, authorities in Los Angeles said.
The relative, who was caring for the infant girl, found her head buried in the dog's mouth Saturday night, sheriff's Deputy Cruz Solis said. The girl died of head trauma at an area hospital, he said.
The baby's name was withheld because her parents were out of the country and had not been notified, Solis said.
The relative has not been charged. Animal control officers took the dog.
Pomeranians are a breed of miniature canines that have a foxlike face, pointy ears and long, fluffy hair. The deputy said Pomeranian attacks are rare.
"Obviously it doesn't take much to kill a 6-week old baby but it's not something that happens with that breed," Solis said.
Thank you for your time.
 

sugarfox03

Member
Originally Posted by hartman413
hey mel do you still have rusit??? i was just lookin on ur page she is a qt... just curious.. do you run the rescue out of ur house.... if you do let me know if u ever need any help with anything.. i am good @ manual labor
Hey John! I do still have Rusti, she's being fostered by a friend of mine in Broward. She's a great girl! Such a sweet baby!!
 

emmitt2

Member
LMAO!!!

I dont know where you got that article but that is completely false! That must have been a mix of a pomeranian and a pit!
A pomeranian weighs at most 10 pounds when fully grown(more likely 6-8 pounds)and anyone who owns one can tell you they cant fit a golf ball in their mouth much less a babies head. That ridiculous article says the babys whole HEAD was buried inside the poms mouth??? Not possible unless it was a VERY large Pom mix.
Your attitude towards kids and pits is SAD! If you think it is safer to leave your kids around a pit than a lab or pom, then you are a tragedy waiting to happen when and if you have kids. Every single article i have ever seen about pits killing and mauling kids(and there are HUNDREDS) starts with the owners saying the same things as you, "I cant believe this happened, he was the nicest sweetest dog!", next thing you know there is a kid that has been horribly mauled or killed.
 

sugarfox03

Member
How is that article false? Do you think I made that stuff up? I don't know about you, but working in many vet offices, I have seen some pretty big poms, the largest was close to 20 lbs (I couldnt believe it, thats why I remembered him.) A 6 week old baby is tiny, and a pom is completely capable of fitting the head of a infant in its mouth, maybe not "buried" in his mouth, but remember, media tells to elaborate for a better story. For one, I never said I would LEAVE my kids with any dog, that my friend, is where people go wrong. It's never safe to leave any dog alone around children of any age. I simply stated that I would trust kids around a bully breed than other breeds. I would NEVER leave them alone together, get the story straight. Pit bulls have a naturally high pain tolerance and adoration for children. Now, I cannot stress this enough, when I say pit bull, I mean the true pit bulls, not the dogs that people these days are calling pit bulls, but are the complete opposite. A real pit bull can handle the ear & tail pulling, the fingers in the ears nose and such, whereas other breeds can't handle it and are much quicker to nip/bite. Please, do yourself a favor and do a little research on the pit bull breed, as you seem to be one of the people who know absolutely nothing about them except what media tells you. If that pom story is "false" than who's to say all those stories of pit bulls aren't false too? You are defending your breed of choice, so am I, but I speak only of facts. I researched this breed for years before I finally understood them. You have done no research on these dogs, but yet are so quick to pass your judgement.
Check out these facts: Taken from the website www.atts.org
American Temperament Test Society
Passing rates for breeds tested:
American Pit Bull Terrier - 83.5% Pass rate
American Staffordshire Terrier - 83.3 % Pass rate
American Bulldog - 82.3% Pass rate
Pomeranian - 75% Pass rate
Yes, I trust my bullies over a pom any day.
 

67 demon

Member
Like i said before, it is futile to try and change someone's mind about the bully breed. They must experience the breed first hand, which would probably never happen because of the preconceived notion that ALL bully breeds are blood thirsty, savage beasts. I have so much to say on this topic, but the only people who would truly understand and listen are people who love bully breeds or who are open minded enough not to classify lump a group of horrific instances to a whole breed.
 

sugarfox03

Member
Originally Posted by 67 Demon
Like i said before, it is futile to try and change someone's mind about the bully breed. They must experience the breed first hand, which would probably never happen because of the preconceived notion that ALL bully breeds are blood thirsty, savage beasts. I have so much to say on this topic, but the only people who would truly understand and listen are people who love bully breeds or who are open minded enough not to classify lump a group of horrific instances to a whole breed.
Good point. But I will die defending these wonderful dogs. Whenever I get the chance, I always have Magnum with me, my pit bull, as he's a wonderful example of a TRUE pit bull, and also the type of dog that is dieing in shelters all over this country. Magnum was to be euthanized in an Orlando shelter, luckily I had room in my foster program for him. I ended up falling in love, and now he's mine forever. He is in training to be a therapy dog, and has been able to change views of pitties for many people. He adores kids, and everytime we go out, he shows that, and parents realize these dogs aren't all bad. I know the truth, thats all that matters. I will do my best and try to educate as many people as possible.
 

nigerbang

Active Member
Originally Posted by SugarFox03
Good point. But I will die defending these wonderful dogs. Whenever I get the chance, I always have Magnum with me, my pit bull, as he's a wonderful example of a TRUE pit bull, and also the type of dog that is dieing in shelters all over this country. Magnum was to be euthanized in an Orlando shelter, luckily I had room in my foster program for him. I ended up falling in love, and now he's mine forever. He is in training to be a therapy dog, and has been able to change views of pitties for many people. He adores kids, and everytime we go out, he shows that, and parents realize these dogs aren't all bad. I know the truth, thats all that matters. I will do my best and try to educate as many people as possible.
Well said...I had mine get out of the fence on time..(mind that it is a 6' Wooden fence) I heard screaming next door.... :scared: He was playing with the neighbors 3 and 6 year old kids..Running in and out of there house like the lived there, they didnt mind and the kids love him...I called and he came right back to me and sat at my feet...Everyone in my neighborhood loves him and brings there dogs over to play. Everything from other pits, Dobermans, Labs, Yorkies, etc..
 

emmitt2

Member
I dont know what kind of vet office you worked in but you better get some more training in identifying breeds. Whatever you saw was a pom mix of some kind, no way it was a 20lb TRUE pom. The only way a TRUE pom could be 20lbs is if it was so fat it couldn't move. True poms dont get over 12 lbs even when VERY fat. We have owned pure poms for 30 years and they NEVER get bigger than 10-12 lbs. There is no possible way a TRUE pom could fit even a premie babies head in its mouth. They can barely fit a grape in their mouth.
You can defend YOUR dog all you want but it is much more likely to seriously hurt someone than almost any other breed. To compare them to poms or labs is ridiculous
P.s.= great owner Nigerbang! Just what every parent wants near their small children... a neighbor that cant keep its pitbull locked up :scared:
 

sugarfox03

Member
Originally Posted by emmitt2
I dont know what kind of vet office you worked in but you better get some more training in identifying breeds. Whatever you saw was a pom mix of some kind, no way it was a 20lb TRUE pom. The only way a TRUE pom could be 20lbs is if it was so fat it couldn't move. True poms dont get over 12 lbs even when VERY fat. We have owned pure poms for 30 years and they NEVER get bigger than 10-12 lbs. There is no possible way a TRUE pom could fit even a premie babies head in its mouth. They can barely fit a grape in their mouth.
You can defend YOUR dog all you want but it is much more likely to seriously hurt someone than almost any other breed. To compare them to poms or labs is ridiculous
P.s.= great owner Nigerbang! Just what every parent wants near their small children... a neighbor that cant keep its pitbull locked up :scared:
Dude, I'm really sorry, but you need to get off your high horse. And as far as you know, its impossible for dogs to weigh more than standard, right? So all those pit bulls that attack people that are over the standard weight of 45-65 lbs shouldn't be considered a TRUE pit bull than, right, tell that to the media, thats the argument I have been trying to get across. Any breed can have out of standard dogs, breeding has a lot to do with that (poor breedings create poor dogs, whether in body type or temperament, get my drift?) I once had an 85 lb purebred & papered chow, he was way over standard, but still a purebred. As far as I was concerned, that dog was a pure pom, I didn't ask for his lineage, but other than size, he fit the bill for a pom, he may have had an extra lb or two (hard to tell with all the fur), but was still a bit larger than the typical pom. And again, you make up things I have never said. I have never compared any breed, never once did I say a certain breed is any better than another, just based on personal knowledge, I would rather my children grow up around a pit bull than a lab or pom, as I have never seen the love and adoration that a pit bull has for children (even kids they have never met before) in one of those breeds. And I appreciate that little comment about IDing breeds...you can put just about any breed of dog in front of me, and I can tell you what it is, where it originated & what it was bred for...I have been studying dog breeds since I was about 11. Again...so quick to judge before you know the truth. You don't seem to have that knowledge, so maybe I'm not the one who needs some training in that category. Thanks for your time, and the fun argument, hopefully other people are reading this and learning a little something.
 

emmitt2

Member
Yes dogs can be a little over standard but not 250-300% over standard
Standard poms weight 6-8 lbs on the big end, not 20, not even close. Thats like saying a 150lb pit bull would be standard. If you think you saw a pure 20lb pom, i wouldn't be telling me to learn how to id dogs.
Enjoy your dog but personally i'll be happy when they are banned in all cities. I dont need to see any more stories on the news about the "love and adoration" pits give little children all the time.
 

sugarfox03

Member
So, when bullies are all banned, what do you think will happen? Do you think the attacks will stop? Will that make the world a safer place? No, have you ever heard of mastiffs? Those dogs are naturally more aggressive than pit bulls. Ever heard of a cane corso, neapolitan mastiff, tosa inu, or presa canario? All large breeds...breeds that ignorant people are now beginning to own since you cant have pit bulls. (Check local bargain traders here in south FL...) These dogs can inflict MUCH more damage because they are MUCH larger than pit bulls. Tosa Inu's are even Japanese fighting breeds, I wouldn't want the thug world to find out about those dogs. But if you ban their breed of choice, what do you think they will move on to? Something even more capable of attacking someone, and hurting them. Do you remember when the dogs everyone was afraid of her dobermans, german shepherds, and rottweilers? Breed bans went into affect for some of those breeds, so people moved on to pit bulls. Banning an entire breed of dog doesnt do anything but hurt the people who are doing everything right. The good people will abide by the breed bans, and either lose their dog, or move away. The people who are causing the problems, the people who don't care about their dogs and are treating them poorly are the same ones who will continue to own pit bulls and/or get another breed to do their dirty work.
Not only do you need to learn about dogs in general, but it seems you need to work on your reading comprehension. Yet again you have mistaken what I have written. I did not say that a 20 lb pom was standard, on the contrary, I said it was out of standard, meaning, it is not normal for a pom to be that size, but its possible through poor breeding. By the way, if you care to argue about that pom, I can sure try and find the owners info & you all can talk that over. Its not my dog, I cannot tell you its pedigree, but the paperwork said "Pomeranian" not "Pomeranian mix" I don't question people's breeds, not my job, thats up to the vet. If someone tells me they have a 40 lb chihuahua, ok, I'm going to think you're crazy, but I won't argue.
 

phixer

Active Member
I have a 40LB Chihuahua named Fat Eddy.

Just curious what attracted you to the "Pit Bull" breed in the first place. I can understand your loyalty to your pet since you already have the dog, but curious what drew you to that particular breed in the first place?
Most people dont choose that breed for companion dogs, most hunters dont use them, most law enforcement and rescue agencies dont choose Pit Bulls, most ranches dont use them, what useful purpose do they serve? I mean if its a family dog someone is looking for isnt there a better choice? At least a Pomeranian can be used as a pillow. I dont understand why someone would pick a Pit Bull as a friendly family dog over a Beagal.
Do you fight Bulls in Pits?
 

67 demon

Member
Maybe the question wasn't asked specifically to me, but my reasons for owning my American Bulldog are as follows:
"Alert and self-confident, this breed genuinely loves children. It is known for its acts of heroism towards its master. These dogs have fought wild dogs, bulls and even fire. It is said "fighting off one of these dogs is like fighting an animal that possesses an alligator's head and a python's body." Yet when called off by their handler, they immediately obey.:
"Some of the American Bulldogs talents are hunting, watchdogging
, tracking, weight pulling, and guarding
."
 

sugarfox03

Member
Originally Posted by Phixer
I have a 40LB Chihuahua named Fat Eddy.

Just curious what attracted you to the "Pit Bull" breed in the first place. I can understand your loyalty to your pet since you already have the dog, but curious what drew you to that particular breed in the first place?
Most people dont choose that breed for companion dogs, most hunters dont use them, most law enforcement and rescue agencies dont choose Pit Bulls, most ranches dont use them, what useful purpose do they serve? I mean if its a family dog someone is looking for isnt there a better choice? At least a Pomeranian can be used as a pillow. I dont understand why someone would pick a Pit Bull as a friendly family dog over a Beagal.
Do you fight Bulls in Pits?
What drew me to them is their personality. I was a kennel tech for a vet when I was 15 or 16, and a lot of the dogs were pit bulls. I've never been afraid of dogs, I grew up with them, so I knew how to act around them, so I never knew to be afraid of them. Every pit bull we had in there was just the absolute sweetest dog. One in particular was named Bristol, she was amazing. So obedient, walked beautifully on the leash, just a great girl. Whereas just about every golden ret or lab we had was NUTS! I also think they are beautiful dogs. I had researched the breed a lot when I was younger, all my school reports were based on pit bulls. I once had to write a final research paper on a controversial topic, I chose Breed Specific Legislation, I got an A+. The more I researched and learned about these dogs, the more I found out that so many people hated them. Soon after I started working for the vet, I started volunteering at the local Animal Control, but not with the dogs/cats, it was with the wild animal hospital that was on same property, and we shared the same facilities. I would walk in the dog section every day, and everytime more than half the dogs in the cages were pit bulls. I guess I have just always had a soft spot for the underdog. So many people judge these dogs before they have ever known one, how is that fair? How can someone base their "knowledge" on something they know nothing about, it just doesn't make any sense. At 18 I got a job working for another vet office, and a girl there had an american bulldog, he was the coolest dog!! Growing up, I always wanted a white dog, and thought Leroy was just perfect. Had the same temperament as a pit bull...loyal, intelligent, loving. I mistakenly picked up a newspaper one day and saw that someone was selling AB pups for $200. I had to have one (I would never buy a puppy again, this was before I knew about rescues.) And she started my all out love for bully breeds. Maui is my absolute best friend, I would do anything for that dog. She's so amazing, so loving, does not have a mean bone in her body. All it takes is one to change your mind. Since starting this rescue, I have met so many people who were scared to death of pit bulls until one showed up on their doorstep, showing them the true breed. They are not monsters, they are living, breathing, loving creatures, who at times are victims of ignorance and abuse. It is not the dogs fault they had crappy owners, and its not fair to take it out on the people (and dogs!) who are responsible and do whats right. Both of my dogs have their CGC (Canine Good Citizen) my shiba inu almost got hers, but she failed the part where she had to be left alone with a stranger, she cried. I have spent (and still do) a lot of time training, socializing and making sure my dogs grew up the right way. Magnum was a rescue, he was an adult when I got him, but shortly after he came to live with me, we started his training & resocialization. I'm a responsible owner. My dogs are never off leash. Most people in my neighborhood cannot say that about themselves or their dogs. I have a neighbor about 10 houses down who refuses to leash her old lab mix. Before I knew that, I was walking Magnum, working on heel, sit, down and such when we walked by their house. First, I got the nasty look for walking my "pit bull" around them because they had kids playing basketball, then the lab mix came running out, OFF LEASH and ATTACKED Magnum!! Luckily Magnum is a great boy, he just sat there and looked at me, probably wondering what he did wrong. It only went on for a second or two (felt like an eternity) until the dog stopped, and the owner called it over, like nothing had happened. Magnum had a single puncture on his cheek. If it had been the other way around, same exact scenario, same outcome, Magnum would have been confiscated and euthanized, because he's a "pit bull." Thats BS. Nothing happened to that dog, I called Animal Control, they didnt even investigate!! Sorry, I've gone off on a tangent, but its not fair. I have nothing against any other breeds of dogs, I love them all, but I just know they are not for me. And also, both my american bulldog & pit bull make wonderful pillows!!
 

sugarfox03

Member

Originally Posted by 67 Demon
Maybe the question wasn't asked specifically to me, but my reasons for owning my American Bulldog are as follows:
"Alert and self-confident, this breed genuinely loves children. It is known for its acts of heroism towards its master. These dogs have fought wild dogs, bulls and even fire. It is said "fighting off one of these dogs is like fighting an animal that possesses an alligator's head and a python's body." Yet when called off by their handler, they immediately obey.:
"Some of the American Bulldogs talents are hunting, watchdogging
, tracking, weight pulling, and guarding
."
Unfortunately, many people are already using american bulldogs for such horrible things as fighting and training to attack. People know these breeds are extremely loyal and obedient, and use it against them. Bullies will do anything to make their owner happy, no matter what it is. My dogs aren't much for guard dogs, they will bark until you say hello to them, and then they get into the full body wag to say hello back.
They are amazing.
 
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