Luv-A-Bully March in S. FL Oct 28!

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by Phixer
I have a 40LB Chihuahua named Fat Eddy.

Just curious what attracted you to the "Pit Bull" breed in the first place. I can understand your loyalty to your pet since you already have the dog, but curious what drew you to that particular breed in the first place?
Most people dont choose that breed for companion dogs, most hunters dont use them, most law enforcement and rescue agencies dont choose Pit Bulls, most ranches dont use them, what useful purpose do they serve? I mean if its a family dog someone is looking for isnt there a better choice? At least a Pomeranian can be used as a pillow. I dont understand why someone would pick a Pit Bull as a friendly family dog over a Beagal.
Do you fight Bulls in Pits?
And thats funny you mention beagles, my family brought one home that a guy my dad worked with needed to rehome, just until they found him a good home. He wasn't a family dog, he refused to housetrain, didn't like kids, and he was a puppy, about 3 months old! He was eventually given to one of their neighbors who lived by herself, all the kids were grown and moved out. It worked out well, its been years and she still has "Buddy". My parents now own a pit bull named Dixie, one of my rescues, and every day my mother calls me and tells me how Dixie is the best dog she's ever had. She was to be euthanized in a Levy County shelter. Dixie's best friend is my moms two cats, as well as every child in the neighborhood. My mom said lately, a little 3 yr old boy MAKES his mom bring him over to say hello to Dixie. They couldn't ask for a better dog.

 

[petjunkie]

The reason I plan to get a pit bull is so far that's the only dog my boyfriend and I can agree we like. I'm more into large furballs, he likes muscular looking "noble" dogs like Great Danes. Pitbull, amstaffs, etc are a medium sized dog, short coat, no big health problems, lots in rescues. I couldn't find a problem short of their rep and possibly that tail! My buddy's pit whips that tail around so hard I'm suprised it hasn't busted one of their tanks.

 

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by petjunkie
The reason I plan to get a pit bull is so far that's the only dog my boyfriend and I can agree we like. I'm more into large furballs, he likes muscular looking "noble" dogs like Great Danes. Pitbull, amstaffs, etc are a medium sized dog, short coat, no big health problems, lots in rescues. I couldn't find a problem short of their rep and possibly that tail! My buddy's pit whips that tail around so hard I'm suprised it hasn't busted one of their tanks.
Haha, I know what you mean, the only thing lethal about a pittie is their tail! You can sometimes find one in rescue that had their tail cropped for whatever reason. My dogs tails clear tables. Everytime we go to my parents house, we have to clear the coffee table before they can come in. Whatever you do, don't get one because of the look, get one because you truly know that is the breed for you. Be prepared for dog on dog aggression, not all will have it, but as a rule, just be prepared. Also, be prepared for more kisses than you can handle!! My boyfriends friend came over last night to help with the big tank we are setting up and my dogs were all over him. He made the mistake of sitting down, and he was almost licked to death. I wish I had a video camera, it was hysterical. They are so viscious alright!

 

[dogstar]

Sugar, whats the solution ??
You have said yourself that this breed can kill. Its know that when they attack the results are normally much worse than when other breeds do...
This IS the general perseption of the public.
I understand that many owners get them for the wrong reasons and keep them and train them for the wrong reasons. But for them its why they get them,
They want a so called Bad@ss dog.
If your protest is against any and all legislation, then how do you resolve this problem ?
I understand your against the laws takeing well bred, well trained animals from responcable owners. I agree. But how can a politician or legeslators ignore what many people consider a problem.
How can you serve YOUR cause of changeing the perseption of the general public ?
Education can only go so far. What can you offer as a solution to prevent Bad Owners from creating Bad dogs that end up with Bad results that just continue to hurt you cause of protecting them.....the good ones ?
Rather than just protest all legislation ( if thats your goal ) Do you or other pro bull organizations support or offer any other type of policy other than whats being done ( high insurance, outright bands, ect. )
Is the goal is to prevent all legislation or is there a '' proper '' way in your mind to legislate the problem. How do you get the bad dogs from the bad owners. Or do you not think that this is a problem and the PEOPLE dont need any laws to help protect them from what many feel is a danger to their children and themselfs ?

 

[sugarfox03]

There definately needs to be laws!! But we need GOOD laws that actually work long term, not a quick fix. A good amount of dogs that end up lethally attacking someone already has some type of bite record. The laws need to be against these dogs, and people who keep KNOWN dangerous dogs. We fight not only for education of this breed, but for laws against dogs that are already known to be aggressive & the people who own these dogs. Unfortunately, there will never be a time when these people won't own a dog. Its almost impossible to enforce a court decision that a person shouldn't own a dog. Unless all dogs are completely eradicated, there will be dog attacks. We need stricter laws that REQUIRE non-show dogs to be spayed/neutered. It's also a proven fact that there has never been a lethal attack on a person by a sterilized pit bull, so why not make it mandatory to have them all sterilized? Politicians & legislators just want to please people, not do whats right. They know if more people want these dogs gone, they will do it, or atleast do what they can, because they will get those votes. Most politicians & the majority of people don't realize that the problem is not breed specific, but owner specific. If we can somehow get laws to be passed stopping these people from owning dogs, then this problem wouldn't exist. In a perfect world, it would be illegal for someone to breed non-show dogs, because type & temperament & health of those dogs have not been tested and/or certified (this goes for all dogs!) I can promise you there's never been an attack by a pit bull from a responsible breeder. These people also wouldn't own any dog, no matter the breed. They have already proven themselves lousy dog owners, so that right should be taken from them. But the rights of people who do nothing wrong shouldn't be taken. It is just very hard to pass these kinds of laws, because the people who are causing the trouble are already doing things illegally. A law stating they have to have their dogs fixed or they have to have this amount of insurance isn't going to stop them from obtaining an aggressive dog and creating more. As one person alone, I cannot do much in changing legislation. This is the point of this march that I am putting together, as more of a statement is made when more people are involved. 1 or 2 people out there with signs and such isn't going to get a lot of attention. But when we have 50-100 responsible people out there, others will start to realize there's more to the problem than the dogs. There's a popular saying that many bully breed people go by, its "Judge the deed, not the breed!"

 

[sugarfox03]

Pit bulls & children, OMG the HORROR!!
http://pitbulls.iwarp.com/photo.html

 

[team2jndd]

Well I agree with just about everyone but not fully. I agree that pits are misunderstood and have a bad reputation. However, to say they arent among the most dangerous is just not a smart move. They are.I am not saying they have the worst temperment, they simply have the most potential. If 10 pomeranians bite a kid you wont hear about it because damage will be minimal. If one pit desides to even nip at a kid there is a good chance that kid ends up in the hospital. The potential for disaster for such dogs is just much higher. However, as with any pet, the question of responsibility comes into play. A well trained dog for which the owner lays a careful eye will not be likely to bite anybody. Young kids are often bit because they do not know how to handle the dog properly. This calls for education for the dog as well as the child. The dog must be taught to deal with the constant annoyance as well as teaching the child the proper behavior around the dog. My girlfriend brought her baby sister to my house last week. I have a silky yorky and a standard schnauzer. The baby tried to pick up my yorky by its leg and the dog nipped the baby on the hand. Now, although my yorky is a nice dog that doesnt generally bite, he is not used to being harassed by a baby who knows no better. If the same situation were to be replayed with a much larger dog, the sitaution would be much worse. This is why the dogs get such a bad reputation. These dogs are not just larger they are very powerful. Now as for emmits comments, I totally agree. I would like to see documentation of a 20 lb pure bred pom. Although his way of arguing his point was a little, well, dickish. I can understand why you want to stand for your dog but it doesnt make sense to argue with false information. You are just deflating your entire arguement because you lose credibility. Who is going to believe you and your pro pit march if you cant even make your points truthfully?

 

[hartman413]

OK NOT TO TOTALLY RUIN THIS THREAD SUGAR U KNOW I GOT LOVE FOR THEM JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO. AND YES I WILL BE @ THE MARCH AND I WILL BE SHOWING LOVE FOR MY BREED OF CHOICE. AND YES THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS MY BREED OF CHOICE. I LOVE THE BREED CAUSE WHEN TRAINED RIGHT AND IN THE RIGHT HANDS THEY ARE LOYAL AND LOVING AND CARING AND OBEY EVERY WORD YOU SPEAK.. YES I WILL SAY IT THEY CAN BE DANGEROUS, YES THEY ARE POWERFUL AND SOMETIMES SCARY LOOKING I AGREE. YES WHEN NOT TRAINED RIGHT THEY CAN SEEM "BLOODTHIRTSY" AND YES THEY CAN SEEM TO BE THE MOST DANGEROUS BREED IN THE WORLD..... BUT YES THERE IS A BUT I WILL STAND BY MY BREED CAUSE I AM A RESPONSIBLE OWNER. THIS ISN'T ABOUT IDING BREEDS OR WHAT IS STANDARD. THIS IS ABOUT A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE A CHOICE TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND DON'T WANT THEIR FAMILY PET TAKIN AWAY FROM THEM. THEY HAVE BECOME ONE OF THEIR CHILDREN THE SILENT NANNY THE UNRECONNIGZED PROTECTOR. YES IT IS TRUE A FEW BAD APPLES SPOILS THE BUNCH. BUT HERE IT IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PURE BREED PITS AND EVEN IN THIS CASE I CNA'T STEP IN CAUSE MINE IS A APBT/LAB MIS=X BUT IN THE PURE BRED SENSE OF THE BREED THEY WERE THE NUMBER ONE FAMILY DOG MANY YEARS AGO, FACT THE ARE LOYAL MORE SO THAN YOUR POM OR MAYBE EVEN YOU LAB, FACT THEY ARE POWERFUL FACT THEY ARE MY BREED OF CHOICE. I DONT KNOCK YOU FOR WANTING TO OWN A POM OR A CHOW OR A BEGAL OR A MASTIFF OR A CANE COROSO OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO OWN. ALL THAT I ASK OF YOU IS TO BE RESPNABILE AS I WILL BE WITH MY BREED TREAT IT WITH LOVE AND RESPECT AND DO RIGHT BY YOUR BREED SO IT CAN BE A EXAMPLE OF WHAT A WELL TRAINED WELL GROOMED PITTIE CAN BE. DONT TAKE MY BREED AWAY FROM ME JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDN'T LOVE THEM LIKE I HAVE. DONT TAKE MY BREED AWAY JUST BECAUSE ANY DOG THAT BITES SOMEONE AND HAS A BLOCKY HEAD AND A STOUT BODY And BECOMES LABELED A PIT HURT SOMEONE. DONT ROB MY FAMILY MY WIFE MY FUTURE KIDS MY FUTURE GRANDKIDS OF THIS WONDERFUL BREED THAT I HAVE FELL IN LOVE WITH AND THAT I WILL FIGHT FOR MY RIGHT TO OWN AND PROTECT. DON'T LET ANOTHER AMAZING BREED GO DOWN WITH A BAD RAP JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE GAINED A BAD IMAGE FROM THOSE WHO DONT LOVE THEM AS I DO AMONG THE REST OF US ON HERE WHO DO. LIKE I SAID IN THE BEGINNIG IT IS MY BREED OF CHOICE LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT A RESPONSIBLE OWNER OF A PIT CAN DO AND I WILL SHOW YOU A BREED THAT IS LOYAL CARING AND DESERVING OF YOUR TRUST. LET US, THE RESPONSIBLE OWNERS SHOW YOU THE BREED DONT BITE INTO THE BAD APPLES BUT PICK THE ONES THAT HAVE RIPPENED JUST RIGHT. SO IF YOU WANNA JOIN THE MARCH JOIN THE MARCH IF YOU WANNA SUPPORT YOUR BREED START ANOTHER THREAD AND TALK ABOUT IT ON THERE DONT HATE MY BREED JUST LIKE I WONT HATE THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN
I AM SORRY IF THIS SEEMS HARSH SOME OF YOU MAY THINK I AM STUPID OR JUST SOME IDIOT. BUT I AM THE IDIOT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE WITH MY BREED. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOURS

 

[team2jndd]

Originally Posted by hartman413
OK NOT TO TOTALLY RUIN THIS THREAD SUGAR U KNOW I GOT LOVE FOR THEM JUST AS MUCH AS YOU DO. AND YES I WILL BE @ THE MARCH AND I WILL BE SHOWING LOVE FOR MY BREED OF CHOICE. AND YES THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS MY BREED OF CHOICE. I LOVE THE BREED CAUSE WHEN TRAINED RIGHT AND IN THE RIGHT HANDS THEY ARE LOYAL AND LOVING AND CARING AND OBEY EVERY WORD YOU SPEAK.. YES I WILL SAY IT THEY CAN BE DANGEROUS, YES THEY ARE POWERFUL AND SOMETIMES SCARY LOOKING I AGREE. YES WHEN NOT TRAINED RIGHT THEY CAN SEEM "BLOODTHIRTSY" AND YES THEY CAN SEEM TO BE THE MOST DANGEROUS BREED IN THE WORLD..... BUT YES THERE IS A BUT I WILL STAND BY MY BREED CAUSE I AM A RESPONSIBLE OWNER. THIS ISN'T ABOUT IDING BREEDS OR WHAT IS STANDARD. THIS IS ABOUT A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE A CHOICE TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND DON'T WANT THEIR FAMILY PET TAKIN AWAY FROM THEM. THEY HAVE BECOME ONE OF THEIR CHILDREN THE SILENT NANNY THE UNRECONNIGZED PROTECTOR. YES IT IS TRUE A FEW BAD APPLES SPOILS THE BUNCH. BUT HERE IT IS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PURE BREED PITS AND EVEN IN THIS CASE I CNA'T STEP IN CAUSE MINE IS A APBT/LAB MIS=X BUT IN THE PURE BRED SENSE OF THE BREED THEY WERE THE NUMBER ONE FAMILY DOG MANY YEARS AGO, FACT THE ARE LOYAL MORE SO THAN YOUR POM OR MAYBE EVEN YOU LAB, FACT THEY ARE POWERFUL FACT THEY ARE MY BREED OF CHOICE. I DONT KNOCK YOU FOR WANTING TO OWN A POM OR A CHOW OR A BEGAL OR A MASTIFF OR A CANE COROSO OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO OWN. ALL THAT I ASK OF YOU IS TO BE RESPNABILE AS I WILL BE WITH MY BREED TREAT IT WITH LOVE AND RESPECT AND DO RIGHT BY YOUR BREED SO IT CAN BE A EXAMPLE OF WHAT A WELL TRAINED WELL GROOMED PITTIE CAN BE. DONT TAKE MY BREED AWAY FROM ME JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDN'T LOVE THEM LIKE I HAVE. DONT TAKE MY BREED AWAY JUST BECAUSE ANY DOG THAT BITES SOMEONE AND HAS A BLOCKY HEAD AND A STOUT BODY And BECOMES LABELED A PIT HURT SOMEONE. DONT ROB MY FAMILY MY WIFE MY FUTURE KIDS MY FUTURE GRANDKIDS OF THIS WONDERFUL BREED THAT I HAVE FELL IN LOVE WITH AND THAT I WILL FIGHT FOR MY RIGHT TO OWN AND PROTECT. DON'T LET ANOTHER AMAZING BREED GO DOWN WITH A BAD RAP JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVE GAINED A BAD IMAGE FROM THOSE WHO DONT LOVE THEM AS I DO AMONG THE REST OF US ON HERE WHO DO. LIKE I SAID IN THE BEGINNIG IT IS MY BREED OF CHOICE LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT A RESPONSIBLE OWNER OF A PIT CAN DO AND I WILL SHOW YOU A BREED THAT IS LOYAL CARING AND DESERVING OF YOUR TRUST. LET US, THE RESPONSIBLE OWNERS SHOW YOU THE BREED DONT BITE INTO THE BAD APPLES BUT PICK THE ONES THAT HAVE RIPPENED JUST RIGHT. SO IF YOU WANNA JOIN THE MARCH JOIN THE MARCH IF YOU WANNA SUPPORT YOUR BREED START ANOTHER THREAD AND TALK ABOUT IT ON THERE DONT HATE MY BREED JUST LIKE I WONT HATE THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN
I AM SORRY IF THIS SEEMS HARSH SOME OF YOU MAY THINK I AM STUPID OR JUST SOME IDIOT. BUT I AM THE IDIOT WHO IS RESPONSIBLE WITH MY BREED. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOURS

haha another genious arguement. Good job! Prove that pitbuls arent dangerous and that their owners dont buy the dogs to get the "bad@ss" appearance by stating your position in caps.

:notsure:

 

[hartman413]

NoThiNg Is EvEr PrOvEn By CaPs. lets just assume that i was trying to prove something. and if u read my thread i never ever one time said that they can't be dangerous... read again but judging by ur avitar u might not be to bright anyways

 

[team2jndd]

This entire thread was to help educate people on pitbulls and proove that they are not dangerous to people and their families. Lets not talk about intelligence. How about you go and read the whole thread before opening your mouth. Dont you dare think that my post was entirely directed towards you. You were just the person I chose to use as an example. And as for my avatar, its not me. But what do looks and intelligence have to do with eachother? I have yet to see a nobel prize winner on the cover of GQ magazine. But hey thats me im stupid right?

 

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by team2jndd
Well I agree with just about everyone but not fully. I agree that pits are misunderstood and have a bad reputation. However, to say they arent among the most dangerous is just not a smart move. They are.I am not saying they have the worst temperment, they simply have the most potential. If 10 pomeranians bite a kid you wont hear about it because damage will be minimal. If one pit desides to even nip at a kid there is a good chance that kid ends up in the hospital. The potential for disaster for such dogs is just much higher. However, as with any pet, the question of responsibility comes into play. A well trained dog for which the owner lays a careful eye will not be likely to bite anybody. Young kids are often bit because they do not know how to handle the dog properly. This calls for education for the dog as well as the child. The dog must be taught to deal with the constant annoyance as well as teaching the child the proper behavior around the dog. My girlfriend brought her baby sister to my house last week. I have a silky yorky and a standard schnauzer. The baby tried to pick up my yorky by its leg and the dog nipped the baby on the hand. Now, although my yorky is a nice dog that doesnt generally bite, he is not used to being harassed by a baby who knows no better. If the same situation were to be replayed with a much larger dog, the sitaution would be much worse. This is why the dogs get such a bad reputation. These dogs are not just larger they are very powerful. Now as for emmits comments, I totally agree. I would like to see documentation of a 20 lb pure bred pom. Although his way of arguing his point was a little, well, dickish. I can understand why you want to stand for your dog but it doesnt make sense to argue with false information. You are just deflating your entire arguement because you lose credibility. Who is going to believe you and your pro pit march if you cant even make your points truthfully?
I'm really sorry, but can you please point out what I have said that was not truthful? If this is still about the pom thing, holy crap, get over it. I've said it atleast 2 or 3 times now..."I don't know the pedigree of the dog, I don't know where the dog came from, I don't know the parents of the dog, I don't know anything about the dog except its chart said 'Pomeranian' and weighed in at 20 lbs." The vet didn't question it, I didn't question it. It may have very well been a mix, but I was going by what was put in front of me. To make a better argument, my neighbor has a 16 lb yorkie, purebred, papers, got it from a puppy mill selling pet store, ya'll want to argue that too? You people get caught up in the dumbest things. But please, point out what I have mentioned that wasn't 100% truthful. I have no reason to hide anything, or make anything up, thats just dumb. I honestly wouldn't be arguing over a 20 lb pom if I didn't see it myself, think about it. I'm not an ignorant person. I also mentioned he may have been a bit overweight, I was a receptionist, so I didnt examine the dog.
Anyway, off-topic, but doing a quick google search (less than 5 seconds) I found this that someone wrote:
Re:Have you flown with your pet(s)?
Yes, once and we will be again next month. We have a 20lb pomeranian and we traveled with him under the seat. It went fine. I was VERY worried, but it was okay. I gave him about half a dramamine and he kind of slept. Much preferred to putting them in the belly of the plane.
From whitedove1.com site:
Just the article headline: "20-LB. POMERANIAN SAVES DROWNING MAN"
Found this on the PetPages.com website:
Thirty years ago the Pomeranian of the show bench weighed from fifteen to twenty-five pounds.
So lay off me about the dang pomeranian. Thanks.

 

[67 demon]

Just a little more info about the Pomeranian to possibly justify it's potential 20lb weight:
Developed in the Prussian region of Pomerania, the Pomeranian was originally descended from the ancient Spitz breeds of the far north which were brought to Europe and employed to herd sheep. The Pom ancestors weighed up to 30 pounds. Marie Antoinette, Emily Zola and Mozart all owned Pomeranians. In the late 1800's Queen Victoria became a Pomeranian fancier, and established her own kennel for their breeding. She showed her dogs, with some success, making the breed very popular in England. Because Queen Victoria preferred smaller dogs, many breeders began selecting for smaller size. Now the Pomeranian has been bred down from his original size to customary 4-5 pounds. The Pomeranian's intelligence and talent for showmanship have also made him a superior circus performer. Today's Pomeranian is primarily a loving companion and beautiful show dog. Some of the Pom's talents include: watchdogging, agility and performing tricks.
So after reading this description, i don't believe that it is too far fetched to still see a small amount of large (15lb-25lb range) poms; albeit those being the exception for present day poms.

 

[sugarfox03]

Thanks 67 Demon! Someone understands that its possible, haha. Selective breeding has made them much smaller, but its still possible to get some big ones in there. Just like my childhood chow dog, and my neighbors yorkie, both much larger than normal, and had/have papers to prove it being a purebred...but both were from puppy stores (I was like 2, and had no say where the dog came from! I HATE puppy mills!)

 

[phixer]

Same principle holds true for firearms. Should all guns be outlawed because of recent shootings? of course not. However a Pomerainian would be a BB gun and a Pit Bull would be a 357 Magnum. If shot the latter would cause more damage but does this mean they should be outlawed? If the dogs are controlled I find no problem with the breed itself but if one gets loose and mauls some little kid because the kid pulled its tail, its too late.
People have a right to own these dogs if they want too, but I think owners of Pit Bulls must bare a greater ammount of responsibility because of the dogs potential, same for gun owners.
Unfortunately many gang banger street thug morons lack responsibility and own these dogs because they want to be tough are trying to compensate.

 

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by Phixer
Same principle holds true for firearms. Should all guns be outlawed because of recent shootings? of course not. However a Pomerainian would be a BB gun and a Pit Bull would be a 357 Magnum. If shot the latter would cause more damage but does this mean they should be outlawed? If the dogs are controlled I find no problem with the breed itself but if one gets loose and mauls some little kid because the kid pulled its tail, its too late.
People have a right to own these dogs if they want too, but I think owners of Pit Bulls must bare a greater ammount of responsibility because of the dogs potential, same for gun owners.
Unfortunately many gang banger street thug morons lack responsibility and own these dogs because they want to be tough are trying to compensate.
I completely agree with you. That is why I have done everything possible with my dogs, to show people they are good, and to just make sure I take every precaution so nothing ever happens. My dogs are well rounded, well behaved, wonderful members of society. It takes a special owner for these dogs, not everyone is capable of owning a pit bull, or any bully breed for that matter, and in you're example...guns. Some people just aren't responsible and/or mature enough to handle a lethal weapon, and need to stay away from them. Thanks for the input!

 

[emmitt2]

You can post as much as you want about 20-30 lb poms ANCESTORS but the FACT is that true poms NOW weigh 4-7 lbs not 20. You have no idea what you are talking about but want to be considered learned because you were a receptionist in a vet office and think you saw 1 once

Stick to talking about breeds you think you know something about. You bring up articles about supposed poms weighing 20-30 lbs but started this thread railing on people and the media for making 100lb pits to be true pits when they arent since they only weigh 40-65lbs :notsure: Seems a little inconsistent.
The FACT is that pits are dangerous and they do kill( and it happens regularly). Labs may bite but they do not kill except maybe in VERY rare situations. Pits can and do kill people and kids all the time and despite your RACIST comments, it isnt just "ghetto" owners whose pits kill.
Say what you want about YOUR pits disposition but to try and make pits out to be some safe, loving family dog is dangerous and uninformed. Its shocking to me that you are actually trying to argue that pits and kids are a great mix and are basically saying that it isnt possible for a real pit to hurt someone. I'm sorry but that is ridiculous! Hopefully, your dog never hurts someone but why should your neighbors have to worry about their kids being killed by your dogs??? Pits, presa and others should be banned. Their is no reason to own dogs like that except to stroke your ego with your "bad a$%" dog

p.s.- that website you posted is laughable. Do you want me to do a search and find a site of dead mauled killed at the hands of pits??? I'm sure it wont be hard to find!!

 

[reefreak29]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
You can post as much as you want about 20-30 lb poms ANCESTORS but the FACT is that true poms NOW weigh 4-7 lbs not 20. You have no idea what you are talking about but want to be considered learned because you were a receptionist in a vet office and think you saw 1 once

Stick to talking about breeds you think you know something about. You bring up articles about supposed poms weighing 20-30 lbs but started this thread railing on people and the media for making 100lb pits to be true pits when they arent since they only weigh 40-65lbs :notsure: Seems a little inconsistent.
The FACT is that pits are dangerous and they do kill( and it happens regularly). Labs may bite but they do not kill except maybe in VERY rare situations. Pits can and do kill people and kids all the time and despite your RACIST comments, it isnt just "ghetto" owners whose pits kill.
Say what you want about YOUR pits disposition but to try and make pits out to be some safe, loving family dog is dangerous and uninformed. Its shocking to me that you are actually trying to argue that pits and kids are a great mix and are basically saying that it isnt possible for a real pit to hurt someone. I'm sorry but that is ridiculous! Hopefully, your dog never hurts someone but why should your neighbors have to worry about their kids being killed by your dogs??? Pits, presa and others should be banned. Their is no reason to own dogs like that except to stroke your ego with your "bad a$%" dog

p.s.- that website you posted is laughable. Do you want me to do a search and find a site of dead mauled killed at the hands of pits??? I'm sure it wont be hard to find!!

if u feel this way then u should also agree to ban guns, knives, crow bars and everything else that could kill someone

 

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
You can post as much as you want about 20-30 lb poms ANCESTORS but the FACT is that true poms NOW weigh 4-7 lbs not 20. You have no idea what you are talking about but want to be considered learned because you were a receptionist in a vet office and think you saw 1 once

Stick to talking about breeds you think you know something about. You bring up articles about supposed poms weighing 20-30 lbs but started this thread railing on people and the media for making 100lb pits to be true pits when they arent since they only weigh 40-65lbs :notsure: Seems a little inconsistent.
The FACT is that pits are dangerous and they do kill( and it happens regularly). Labs may bite but they do not kill except maybe in VERY rare situations. Pits can and do kill people and kids all the time and despite your RACIST comments, it isnt just "ghetto" owners whose pits kill.
Say what you want about YOUR pits disposition but to try and make pits out to be some safe, loving family dog is dangerous and uninformed. Its shocking to me that you are actually trying to argue that pits and kids are a great mix and are basically saying that it isnt possible for a real pit to hurt someone. I'm sorry but that is ridiculous! Hopefully, your dog never hurts someone but why should your neighbors have to worry about their kids being killed by your dogs??? Pits, presa and others should be banned. Their is no reason to own dogs like that except to stroke your ego with your "bad a$%" dog

p.s.- that website you posted is laughable. Do you want me to do a search and find a site of dead mauled killed at the hands of pits??? I'm sure it wont be hard to find!!

I understand there's no getting through to you, but to make this a personal attack is uncalled for. There's more to these dogs than an "ego-boost," hopefully you're not serious about that. The people who actually care to live in the real world know & understand these dogs. You may not have to like them, but to come down on their owners is wrong. That would be like me saying you're a wuss for owning a pomeranian, thats not a dog, its a yippy furball thats good for nothing. Give me a break...I'm not coming down on you because of what you CHOOSE to own, don't talk crap about what I CHOOSE to own. I've shown proof of everything I have mentioned. So you're a little hard-headed, fine, and won't read more about your own breed, ok, whatever makes you happy in your own little world. Pit bulls are wonderful family dogs, just ask any responsible person who owns one. I DARE you to research the breed, I DARE you to learn about something you know nothing about. Want some great places to start, so you don't have to do any work other than click a few links... check out www.pitbullforum.com www.pbrc.net or www.badrap.org You won't find a single knowledgeable pit bull person that will tell you these are not family dogs. I've never said these dogs weren't dangerous, I know what they are capable of, but just because a few have attacked, doesn't make them all dangerous. If these dogs are dangerous and are all monsters, than so are malamutes, akitas, german shepherds, etc...because they all have attacked and killed people. Do you know about the pit bull ban in Denver? Did you know that within a WEEK of the ban, a malamute attacked and killed someone there? Bans don't save people. And about that comment on the 100 lb pit bull, RARELY in the history of the breed have TRUE pit bulls been over 65 lbs, naturally, they are a medium size breed (the few large ones got to the 70-80 lb range.) This is different than your pom because they WERE BRED at one point up to 25-30 lbs, which still makes it possible to through a few large ones every once in awhile. You cannot argue that, my friend, if so, you're in denial. Maybe breeders you know are very selective, and breed only small poms, creating more small poms, ok. But what about puppy mills who do no such selective breeding, is it completely impossible for a large pom to be produced there? How can you explain my neighbors 16 lb yorkie? Unfortunately, there are Puppy Stores all over south Florida, all selling ill-bred puppy mill puppies. People have bred mastiffs with pit bulls in the past, throwing extremely large, completely out of standard, and the complete opposite of pit bulls, yet, still calling them as such. Thats where people get 100+ lb pit bulls. Do some research yourself, again, I dare you to take a look at the websites I listed. I dare you to see just how horrible & dangerous these dogs truly are.

 

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
if u feel this way then u should also agree to ban guns, knives, crow bars and everything else that could kill someone
LMAo, if i happen to leave my gate open by accident, my guns, knives, etc. aren't going to run out and kill my neighbors kids!