Luv-A-Bully March in S. FL Oct 28!

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Glad to see you have also made the decision to allow Hartman to break the law and leave his pit unleashed! Very responsible!
You know what is a joke and what is funny? I didnt notice before but you talk about dedicating your life to helping pits and changing their image.... but like most pit owners you really just want the ego stroke! I see from the pics that you decided to put spiked leather collars on your pits. Does that help to change their image as mean aggressive dogs or help to perpetuate it? Why is it that mainly only dangerous breed owners want spiked metal collars for their dogs? It certainly doesnt help their image but it does help to stroke your ego(which is why you got a pit in the 1st place) when you walk down the street with your big, bad PITBULL doesn't it?. Arent you tough?
You talk of a responsible owner but feel after observing a DANGEROUS ANIMAL for a few years you can break laws designed for the publics safety and decide what is best for your community and let your pit loose. If you were any type of owner or pit advocate you would admonish Hartman and tell him to always have his pit leashed in public(as the law requires) but no, you know more than the law and can break them when you and your precious pits want to!
I think i'll call the PBP and see if they want to run a counter article about the damage these dogs do and maybe forward them your stance on how pits dont need to be leashed.
Funny how now all of a sudden you know Hartman, his neighborhood and his Pit...

p.s.- i actually looked at some of those websites. Funny! Pits are great dogs, how uninformed we are. By your own sites words it said the pit and pit mix didnt kill the 80 year old woman as the news reported... they only CHEWED her up after she died!!! GREAT DOGS!!!
Hey emmitt - those collars were given to them by my mother, I thank you for insulting her. Those pics were taken the day they got them. My mom mailed them to me, so I took pics to send to her. Also, take a closer look, they aren't spikes, they are rounded. Get a life dude, you're an idiot. My dogs are the complete opposite of "tough" looking bully dogs with their flowered & baby blue collars, and Maui always has a lei around her neck, yeah, REAL tough looking dogs. I'm 5'0, white as can be, and barely 100 lbs, I couldnt look tough if I tried. Oh yeah, I forgot, you know everything though.
And I just found out that he lives in my neighborhood. I've lived here practically my whole life. We live in a neighborhood where if there's a problem, we will know about it. So mind you're dang business about that one. I do know his fiance though, we went to church together!
HEY EMMITT, READ THIS PARAGRAPH!!!
And by the way, MY dogs are never loose, you seem to be mixing people up. I never said it was ok to have unleashed dogs. Seriously...how shallow are you? If you READ I stated my pit bull was attacked by AN UNLEASHED LAB MIX and ended up with a puncture in his cheek.
Look, I understand you don't like these dogs, that's fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But to try and sabotage what I am working towards is not right. I'd appreciate it if you didn't respond here anymore, I'd like to get this back to being about the march. If you have anything you want to say, please email it to me. SugarFox03@aol.com Thanks

 

[emmitt2]

No, i can read you said he lives in your neighborhood and you have NO PROBLEM with his unleashed pit!!! You never told him to leash it, you think its fine since YOU 2 have determined the dog is harmless(like all pits,lmao) and doesnt need to follow the LAW!!! The 1st words out of your mouth as a supposed pit advocate should be to ALWAYS HAVE YOUR DOG LEASHED IN PUBLIC!!!! not that you know these pits could NEVER attack so dont worry about leash laws.
Try being an actual ADVOCATE for your breed rather than support Pit owners in their decision to BREAK the LAW. As an owner and advocate you should preach to every owner to ALWAYS follow leash laws so that MAYBE yet ANOTHER innocent child will not be killed by your breed because idiot Pit owners think they KNOW that their DANGEROUS breed could NEVER attack so they leave it unleashed in a neighborhood!!!

I'd watch who you tell to get a life when you have devoted your life to helping a DOG that can and does KILL CHILDREN rather than helping actual children!! How about starting a foundation to help kids horribly mauled by pitbulls that were allowed to be unleashed because their owners dont think they need to follow leash laws! Sounds like a good idea to me, no???
Someday when you actually have kids, you may understand the value of their LIFE and how small and petty it is to endanger other peoples children because you think you KNOW for a FACT how a ANIMAL will react in ANY situation! For god sakes, follow the LAW and leash your pits at all times in public!!!
p.s.- im not trying to saboutage your march, I hope you do educate people on how to properly own their pit if they must own one. But from your views of pits being harmless and your blind eye to leash laws, i dont think you can educate people. If you think it is fine for them to be unleashed in neighborhoods, you need someone to start educating you on being a dog owner.

 

[sugarfox03]

Please read my above post and then email me if you have anything else to say, thanks.
And I have already emailed hartman about leashing his dog, but I chose to do it privately and not openly attack him like other rude people on this forum.

 

[emmitt2]

I read it, learn how to be an actual advocate and preach following the laws before trying to "educate" people! You said many times that dogs are dangerous so how about advocating and preaching leashing the most dangerous ones! You said you have no problem with his unleashed PIT in your neighborhood, that is saying it is ok to have it unleashed.
Good luck with your march. I hope someone actually gets educated by somebody who knows something!

And based on your comments, i dont believe for a second that you emailed him an admonition about leashing. You said you had no problem with it.

 

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
I read it, learn how to be an actual advocate and preach following the laws before trying to "educate" people! You said many times that dogs are dangerous so how about advocating and preaching leashing the most dangerous ones! You said you have no problem with his unleashed PIT in your neighborhood, that is saying it is ok to have it unleashed.
Good luck with your march. I hope someone actually gets educated by somebody who knows something!

I said there have been no problems with his dog - meaning, his dog has not done anything aggressive to anyone. There's a difference with having a problem with the dog, and the owner. I never said there were no problems with the owner having his dog off leash, did I? Did I ever advocate it was proper to have any dog off-leash? No dogs should be off-leash, as evident with the lab mix attack from 2 months ago. Or is it ok for labs to be off-leash? Because they never hurt anyone...

 

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
And based on your comments, i dont believe for a second that you emailed him an admonition about leashing. You said you had no problem with it.
Whoa whoa, please show me where I said it was ok? And I can forward you the email I sent him if you want to be nosey about it.

 

[67 demon]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
p.s.- i actually looked at some of those websites. Funny! Pits are great dogs, how uninformed we are. By your own sites words it said the pit and pit mix didnt kill the 80 year old woman as the news reported... they only CHEWED her up after she died!!! GREAT DOGS!!!
You must be a career worker in the media/tabloid industry.... because once again you have stretched the truth through sensationalizing this story. If you read back to what the little article states, the dogs did not CHEW on this poor lady, but rather non-lethal bite marks were discovered after it was determined that she had died. There is a huge difference between chewing and non-lethal bite marks. Does it seem too far fetched that the bite marks could have come from the dogs trying to revive or awaken the poor old lady after she died?? Think "survival of the fittest." Dogs use their mouth/teeth/paws to garner attention of someone who is unresponsive; just as they do for their sick and dying young. It's called instinct. But then again, this is just my opinion.
Sugar, when i get home this evening, i'll have to post some pics up of my Bulldogger.

 

[hartman413]

This will be my last post directed towards anytihng but the march. Yes, i am breaking the law when i have my "dangerous" pitbull off the leash and in the front yard. Yes Emmitt i break the law when i do that. Seeming how you want all of us to admit it is a huge mistake for anyone to own a pit and the entire breed should be destroyed. It seems to me that that is your stand point. I do hope that from this march people learn that with the right training and the right attitude a Pit Bull Terrier can be a great family dog just as good as any lab or German Shepard or even a Pom. That not every pit is born mean and aggressive and wants to attack everything in sight. As you can see from the pics i have posted my pit is about as mean as a lazy hound dog. I never bought the breed for a image or for a ego boost. I bought the breed because of thier GOOD qualities. Their loyalty, there trust in their owner, their earned respect by people who know the breed well and have taken steps to make the breed better. Even FDR owned a pit. Helen Keller owned a pit, Little rascals had one on the show every time they filmed. So needless to say yes my breed is a very powerful and very dangerous breed @ times. And yes they can maul and kill not only children but adults as well. But no more so than Dobies, or Rotts or Boxers or Bulldogs or american bulldogs, or Shepards, or by that means any other terrier breed. It is in the nature of the terrier breed to be strong and @ times aggressive. For generation after generations they were used as hunting dog, Jacks, Fox terriers, Amstaffs, Wolf terrier and the white terrier which is not extinct. If you even look @ the strict requirements to have you pit reg. as a APBT you will see that they do not look for large dogs with big head. The max weight is about 70 lb. short and stocky is the way they are supposed to be. I want to apologies to everyone on here if i seemed a bit brash. But i love my Pit, and i will not let anyone take him away from me because they fear what they do not fully understand. So emmitt you can hate the breed you can hate the owners. But it isn't going to stop me from loving and owning pits.






MY DANGEROUS PITS

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by 67 Demon
You must be a career worker in the media/tabloid industry.... because once again you have stretched the truth through sensationalizing this story. If you read back to what the little article states, the dogs did not CHEW on this poor lady, but rather non-lethal bite marks were discovered after it was determined that she had died. There is a huge difference between chewing and non-lethal bite marks. Does it seem too far fetched that the bite marks could have come from the dogs trying to revive or awaken the poor old lady after she died?? Think "survival of the fittest." Dogs use their mouth/teeth/paws to garner attention of someone who is unresponsive; just as they do for their sick and dying young. It's called instinct. But then again, this is just my opinion.
Sugar, when i get home this evening, i'll have to post some pics up of my Bulldogger.
Yeah, i'm streching the truth to make my point! LMAO!!!
The FACT is that(according to your guys own pit website) that the 80 year old lady was so bitten up that the police ruled that the dog had killed her. The family had to hire a forensic pathologist to determine that those bites didnt kill her. Any reasonable, non-pit obsessed person would tend to think that that meant there were so many bites marks(and so serious) that the police and coroner ruled her death was from the pits and they had to hire someone else(who was paid by the family not to blame it on the pitbulls i might add, non exactly unbiased like the police and coroner). But of course, you want to stretch the truth to make it seem these harmless dogs were actually trying to HELP her as she lay there dead getting bit up by her pits!! AMAZING!!! But i'm streching the truth!!!
Hartman, yes noone should own a pit because clearly you cannot conform to the LAW with regards to this dangerous breed. Despite numerous attacks and laws designed to prevent them, you think you know your dog well enough that the law doesnt apply to you and you can make a potentially lethal decision for your neighborhood. Not only that, you are PROUD to do it and BRAG about it. If that represents responsible pit ownership, then yes noone should be allowed to own a pitbull. I've never said that EVERY pit is mean or vicious but EVERY pit certainly has the capacity to be LETHAL. Why you are willing to take a chance that a tragedy could take place in your neighborhood is beyond me. I will never understand how you can be so sure about a ANIMAL'S behavior that you are willing to risk OTHER peoples lives so that you can enjoy your dog. You can say what you want but you do not know for a FACT that your dog could never attack under ANY circumstance. I'm not saying it will but it could and if god forbid it does the damage will most likely be severe. Do you really want to take that chance and have to explain to some mother that you are sorry, you made a mistake and cant believe your dog attacked.
Enjoy your dogs, they are legal to own and it is your right to but at least be CAREFUL and follow the LAW. Remember they are animals and no matter what you THINK they CAN do unpredictable things and they have the potential to be very dangerous. At the very least, keep your pits(and any other dogs) leashed in public.
If you dont believe me heres one of hundreds. This sounds just like what you guys are saying about your dogs. Do you really want this to be you maybe someday???
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGCUD3O661.DTL

 

[sugarfox03]

Your blue fawn boy is beautiful. I rescued a puppy that has his exact colorings, he was huge though, at 3 mos he was around 30 lbs. Did he just get neutered in the one pic of him of him on the bed? If so, good job! It's one of the best things you can do for your dog!

 

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
Yeah, i'm streching the truth to make my point! LMAO!!!
The FACT is that(according to your guys own pit website) that the 80 year old lady was so bitten up that the police ruled that the dog had killed her. The family had to hire a forensic pathologist to determine that those bites didnt kill her. Any reasonable, non-pit obsessed person would tend to think that that meant there were so many bites marks(and so serious) that the police and coroner ruled her death was from the pits and they had to hire someone else(who was paid by the family not to blame it on the pitbulls i might add, non exactly unbiased like the police and coroner). But of course, you want to stretch the truth to make it seem these harmless dogs were actually trying to HELP her as she lay there dead getting bit up by her pits!! AMAZING!!! But i'm streching the truth!!!
Hartman, yes noone should own a pit because clearly you cannot conform to the LAW with regards to this dangerous breed. Despite numerous attacks and laws designed to prevent them, you think you know your dog well enough that the law doesnt apply to you and you can make a potentially lethal decision for your neighborhood. Not only that, you are PROUD to do it and BRAG about it. If that represents responsible pit ownership, then yes noone should be allowed to own a pitbull. I've never said that EVERY pit is mean or vicious but EVERY pit certainly has the capacity to be LETHAL. Why you are willing to take a chance that a tragedy could take place in your neighborhood is beyond me. I will never understand how you can be so sure about a ANIMAL'S behavior that you are willing to risk OTHER peoples lives so that you can enjoy your dog. You can say what you want but you do not know for a FACT that your dog could never attack under ANY circumstance. I'm not saying it will but it could and if god forbid it does the damage will most likely be severe. Do you really want to take that chance and have to explain to some mother that you are sorry, you made a mistake and cant believe your dog attacked.
Enjoy your dogs, they are legal to own and it is your right to but at least be CAREFUL and follow the LAW. Remember they are animals and no matter what you THINK they CAN do unpredictable things and they have the potential to be very dangerous. At the very least, keep your pits(and any other dogs) leashed in public.
Ok, I just got off the phone with Palm Beach County Animal Control, they said it is completely legal to have the dog off-leash on your own property. She also said you can walk the dog down the road as long as you have strong voice command over the dog. I'm not condoning it, or saying thats ok to do it that way, but Iits not illegal for the dog to be off-leash on the owners property. And pit bulls are not considered a Dangerous Breed here in Palm Beach county, we have no dangerous dog laws that cover entire breeds, its illegal. Unless the dog was deemed dangerous by animal control, its not considered "dangerous." Just thought I'd share.

If you don't believe me, you can call them yourself - 561-233-1200

 

[67 demon]

emmitt, according to the link you posted, the so-called pit bulls are not "true" pit bulls because those depicted in the article weighed in at 80lbs. So, "they must have been a mixed breed pit bull".... remember that sorry excuse. It goes both ways. True, full blood pits only get to about 45-60 lbs.

 

[sugarfox03]

Originally Posted by emmitt2
If you dont believe me heres one of hundreds. This sounds just like what you guys are saying about your dogs. Do you really want this to be you maybe someday???
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGCUD3O661.DTL
Hey emmitt - read the first sentence of that article - "boy was left ALONE" Yeah, I know I mentioned no dogs & kids should be left alone together. It says the dogs were known the "come after" kids and further down it says the dogs had no obedience training and were not socialized. Give me a break, what do you think is going to happen when you have untrained pit bulls? They aren't for everyone, you cannot treat them like other breeds, they NEED obedience training, they NEED socialization.

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by 67 Demon
emmitt, according to the link you posted, the so-called pit bulls are not "true" pit bulls because those depicted in the article weighed in at 80lbs. So, "they must have been a mixed breed pit bull".... remember that sorry excuse. It goes both ways. True, full blood pits only get to about 45-60 lbs.
Try READING!!! 1 of the dogs was a TRUE pit according to your own website and the womans family. The other dog was a lab/pit mix. Hmmmm. wonder which half wanted to bite, the lab half or the PITBULL half. Most likely the labrador half right????
Either way it proves my point. Mix a dangerous breed(pit) with non dangerous breeds(labradors) and bingo... You now have a DANGEROUS dog!!!

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by SugarFox03
Hey emmitt - read the first sentence of that article - "boy was left ALONE" Yeah, I know I mentioned no dogs & kids should be left alone together. Got anything else?

I can leave my kids alone with my poms every day until the end of time and they will not and could not kill my kids(not that i would but i could). It is literally not possible, they cannot even exert enough pressure to break the skin!
The owners in the article said the same as you, dog was always great, no problems, vets loved them, always great in public and then snapped and killed a member of its own family viciously for no reason. And that dog was not abused and chained up its whole life as you claim any dangeroud pit must have been! You are right, well worth the risk of my kids life :scared:
Either way it shows how dangerous and ridiculous it is to think you KNOW your pitbull and that you KNOW it could never attack someone.

 

[hartman413]

hey sugar thanks for the animal control info... i knew that only because mrs brady my next door neighbor works for animal control. Not to mention what u said about it being your property. but i wasn't going to waste my breath on emmitt anymore. Kind of like the old saying you can have my gun when u pry it from my cold dead hands. I KNOW my pits will not attack. And yea my fawn boy was a rescue he was only 6 months when i got him bit up to hell and back. i had him fixed and he now lives with my uncle and his 3 little girls 6 9 and 10 in SC. And he is a great dog. Emmitt is just on a holier than thou rmapage thinking he knows everything about the breed and the laws. that why i told him to come on over and knock on my neighbors door when gixxer is out in the yard cause nothing will be done. I am not breaking any law.

 

[molamola]

It's nice to know that all breeds of dogs have an advocate somewhere

Here in Houston, it's easy to find pit puppies for sale on the side of the road on a Saturday. I can't say that I quite agree with this practice, but it happens. That said, the pit population is huge, so it would make sense that there would be more incidents relating to that breed than others.
I think it's pretty safe to say that ALL dogs are capable of inflicting serious injury on humans, even the teacup varieties. Out of all of the dogs in our neighborhood, I've been chased by a black lab, a german shepherd, and our neighbor's insane chihuahuas that enjoy chasing down joggers or people out for a casual stroll. I'd say the risk of one of those chihuahuas getting in the way and causing a jogger to trip and fall is pretty high. Speaking from experience, it IS possible for a child to be so terrified of an angry daschund that they crash their bike while trying to escape. But this type of incident wouldn't be labled as a "dog attack." I think there is definite potential for a small dog to cause a big amount of trouble.
I grew up with great danes, and now my husband and I have a silver lab and a coon hound. So far, no injuries to report

. The one dog-related injury I have witnessed recently was three months ago. My husband was sitting on our couch and went to stand up. When he did, my friend's bichon frise (maybe 5 pounds at the most) freaked out and bit the snot out of his arm. The bruise only recently went away and now he's got a pretty scar.
I think it's fair and safe to say that ALL dogs can be potentially dangerous, and when we interact with them, we should be aware of the risks involved. So, should we ban all dogs because of their potential to hurt or kill humans? You can't blame a dog for doing what it has been trained to do. The dog is a victim too. The blame should be placed solely on the irresponsibility of the owner.
That's just my opinion, so please don't take offense

I love dogs of all shapes and sizes, but I don't necessarily love all dog owners.

 

[hartman413]

well said molamola. @ least u kind of see what the purpose was @ the beginning of this thread.

 

[hartman413]

I can leave my kids alone with my poms every day until the end of time and they will not and could not kill my kids
yea and as they are home alone and some petofiler breaks in the poms will just drown out the kids scream for help with their useless barking

 

[emmitt2]

Originally Posted by hartman413
hey sugar thanks for the animal control info... i knew that only because mrs brady my next door neighbor works for animal control. Not to mention what u said about it being your property. but i wasn't going to waste my breath on emmitt anymore. Kind of like the old saying you can have my gun when u pry it from my cold dead hands. I KNOW my pits will not attack. And yea my fawn boy was a rescue he was only 6 months when i got him bit up to hell and back. i had him fixed and he now lives with my uncle and his 3 little girls 6 9 and 10 in SC. And he is a great dog. Emmitt is just on a holier than thou rmapage thinking he knows everything about the breed and the laws. that why i told him to come on over and knock on my neighbors door when gixxer is out in the yard cause nothing will be done. I am not breaking any law.
Really, this is pathetic. Get your story straight. You just admitted a few posts ago that it was breaking the law to have him unleashed. Now all of a sudden you knew it wasnt breaking the law, which is it???
If it is legal for you to to have a pitbull unleashed in a open front yard around children, then i feel sorry for your neighbors and will definitely put money, time and energy into trying to change that before there is another pit(or other dangerous breed)fatality. Yeah, you KNOW it cant kill. I wonder if thats what that dead 12 year olds parents tell themselves to get to sleep at night.
Again, I hope its worth it to own your pits, the only consequence to them being legal to own is kids dying, no biggie, right??? but hey, you guys like pits enough to have that on your conscience and still sleep at night. My hats off to ya

I guess(as you say Hartman) we can have your pits when we pry(literally) them from another cold dead victim, right??