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armywife1314

armywife1314

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2662549
I agree that pay and benefits could be better but your husband did make a choice to enlist.
ya he did, to protect and serve our country. he didnt feel he was doing enough as a firefighter. the fact that he signed the contract knowing what the pay was says a lot, anyone who does should not be badgered for that choice to protect your right to say what you want and do as you please. what are you doing that is contributing to our country?
 
groupergenius

groupergenius

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2662544
They can make the world a better place when it's the righteous and the good who possess them. Looking at history, this often isn't the case.
First sentence...your a Republican. Second sentence...your a Democrat.
Seems the difference between the 2 is having the resolve to use them.
Quite a few Democrat Presidents weren't skeered to use them "in the past".
Give me the...well WW1,WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Grenada, Somalia, etc. etc. were worth it. And how this administration is sooooo stupid for having the cajones to do what's right.
I guess we should have let Japan blow California off the map as well.
 
jmick

jmick

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2662651
I'm confused...
I'm just someone willing to put my feet where my mouth was. Weren't you one of the folks 6 months ago telling me to go to Iraq if I supported this war so much?
Few hundred thousand people have died since the war began? How about giving a source for those numbers and we can discuss it.
I'm here working with the guys/gals with guns, making Iraq better place. What are you doing?
I've read estimates that range from 50k to 1 million dead in Iraq and I am happy to give you sources.
What am I doing? I am taking care of my family, I am paying my taxes and being a good citizen. BTW, what are you paid in comparison to the troops who are really risking their lives? If you really believed in what you were doing you'd do it for free...I bet you make 2-3 times more then what most troops make and are rarely in harms way.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101001442.html
http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publ...icle_643.shtml
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L25650512.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...010902793.html
 
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tizzo

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The pay is a whole 'nother book of worms. Considering first and foremost that people who join, don't do it for the pay they do it for the duty. The military hands you a few bucks but what's not on the paycheck is free housing, free furniture, free healthcare (even if it sucks), 3 free meals a day and more if you have a family, no electric bill, no water or trash bill, no on base taxes, and all that leads to, not a glamorous, but a comfortable life.
journey took a job. It is a job with risks but it is a job nonetheless. Money is what's traded for his services. For anybody to perform a service such as that, they'd expect monetary compensation. I don't see how that's a bad thing.
if there were no journeys and we just up and left that country in shambles...
Well I guess we'd do Clinton all over again. I'm glad the US is helping out over there and you should be glad to, cause BOTH candidates represent helping other countries.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by armywife1314
http:///forum/post/2662447
ya at the very least for the next 5 years!
but my hubby's applying to fly so a little pay increase wont be too bad, it wont be great either, unless they let us go to hawaii, then it wont be so bad

My cuz was stationed in hawaii for several years. But he was doing some insane special forces training. Half the time.
Just hope they don't ship you to alaska...
 
armywife1314

armywife1314

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2662828
The pay is a whole 'nother book of worms. Considering first and foremost that people who join, don't do it for the pay they do it for the duty. The military hands you a few bucks but what's not on the paycheck is free housing, free furniture, free healthcare (even if it sucks), 3 free meals a day and more if you have a family, no electric bill, no water or trash bill, no on base taxes, and all that leads to, not a glamorous, but a comfortable life.
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have to disagree a tad, the housing isnt free. you dont get free furniture, you pay for your own dental, only the soldier gets meals paid for $294 a month isnt enough, here on post most of the houses do have to pay electricity. they are really starting to cut corners and its hurting a lot of families.
 
armywife1314

armywife1314

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2662945
My cuz was stationed in hawaii for several years. But he was doing some insane special forces training. Half the time.
Just hope they don't ship you to alaska...
they shouldnt, its not an option for his job. just germany, hawaii, tx, ky, and a few other boring states.
 
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tizzo

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Holy crap are you serious!!?? I was only in 10 or so years ago... OK, 13, but still. I got furniture loaned to me, they paid my housing, only dental I had to pay woulda been cosmetic.
Meals were around that for the soldier, but dependents also got some.
Wow, times have changed. What's the pay for say, an E 3 these days?
And stdreb, I was stationed in Hawaii too. Hardship tour.
 
armywife1314

armywife1314

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2662992
Holy crap are you serious!!?? I was only in 10 or so years ago... OK, 13, but still. I got furniture loaned to me, they paid my housing, only dental I had to pay woulda been cosmetic.
Meals were around that for the soldier, but dependents also got some.
Wow, times have changed. What's the pay for say, an E 3 these days?
And stdreb, I was stationed in Hawaii too. Hardship tour.

1,587.90 base pay. then the housing allowance which is way below what it should be for instance ours is 880 and the average 3 bed house in the area is well over that. then the 294 for food. thats it. and 575 extra a month for him being in iraq.
ya they've started really slacking a lot and with all the prices going up its really putting families in a bind.
 
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tizzo

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Are you on a waiting list to live on post? Or are they charging to live on post now?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2663009
Are you on a waiting list to live on post? Or are they charging to live on post now?
Most bases now (since they closed quite a few) have waiting lists to live on post. This was the case even in 1984....My dad was 20 years military. and I have to say, being a military wife is a far tougher emotional duty that being a soldier. You have my respect armywife.
Jmick, if you are so concerned about the homeless and those without put your money where YOUR mouth is. You should give up your paycheck for your job to help those less fortunate...... Atleast Journey placed himself in harms way to a degree for something he supports, I see, nor hear of any huge sacrifice on your part to support these homeless you champion.......Hypocrite.
And another thing, to "attack" an army wife here on the message board about her husband choosing to join is dispicable the worst kind of offense. THAT is the lowest thing I have seen said on this message board. This woman is staying by her man through a tough time and you have the nerve to place the needs of the homeless over those of our fighting FAMILIES. Yes families, not men. They made a choice to defend this country...unlike the homeless that made a choice to be burden.
 
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tizzo

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I didn't read it that way DT.

I thought he was just saying...Even though the pay is what it is, he still made that choice. I didn't think, at least I HOPE I read it wrong, but the way I read it was sorta like, even though some of it sucks, he did after all, make the choice.

Yeah we had a waiting list when I was in too, but I guess I thought it woulda changed by now...
 
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tizzo

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I use the same logic when people try to play the poor me card. My son went off to Iraq, what am I gonna do, this war is so useless...etc..
I remind them it was their choice to join and that they should be proud. If they do die, there is no higher cause than to die for your country, voluntarily.
Be proud of the ones who wanna do it. Just cause your a chicken shoot worry wart and wouldn't do it, be thankful there are people who would.
I remember when the twin towers got hit, I remember pacing back and forth in my living room trying to think of who would care for my kids cause I wanted so bad to go over there!
I was still in inactive reserves, so i coulda went, and I so wanted to go, but my obligations since my time served had shifted. I had to stay here cause I had no means to provide for my kids if I were away (not money, but time and care, hubby worked outa town 4 outa 5 days...)
Anyway, my point, if I coulda went and woulda went, and my mom was gonna whine about how unfair it all was, I think I woulda had to disown her.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2663042
I didn't read it that way DT.

I thought he was just saying...Even though the pay is what it is, he still made that choice. I didn't think, at least I HOPE I read it right, but the way I read it was sorta like, even though some of it sucks, he did after all, make the choice.


I may have read it wrong, but when someone states we should take more care of the homeless and then comments about the choice of our soldiers...I see red. The homeless to me give up and decided NOT to choose. The soldiers make a choice for the betterment of our country....the homeless....make nothing better.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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My son head back from the sandbox very soon His wife is headed back to GA and they nailed a really nice house on base (if the pics are accurate). They are putting up a fence in the back yard for them as well. I ampretty sure they only have to pay phone. Power and cable was included where they are.
 
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tizzo

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2663055
The homeless to me give up and decided NOT to choose. The soldiers make a choice for the betterment of our country....the homeless....make nothing better.
They actually have words with definitions in place for homeless people and forgive me if I offend, but it's not me, it's websters, funk and wagnal and my oxford.
They are lazy. Useless. Unmotivated. tresspassers. Irresponsible. did I mention Lazy?
Just cause they are "human beings" does not, to me, justify giving them stuff. To me, it justifies them being able to find a job. But they don't. They choose what they have, for all the above reasons/definitions. Vicious circle
So, I agree with you there.
 
armywife1314

armywife1314

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2663031
Most bases now (since they closed quite a few) have waiting lists to live on post. This was the case even in 1984....My dad was 20 years military. and I have to say, being a military wife is a far tougher emotional duty that being a soldier. You have my respect armywife.
Jmick, if you are so concerned about the homeless and those without put your money where YOUR mouth is. You should give up your paycheck for your job to help those less fortunate...... Atleast Journey placed himself in harms way to a degree for something he supports, I see, nor hear of any huge sacrifice on your part to support these homeless you champion.......Hypocrite.
And another thing, to "attack" an army wife here on the message board about her husband choosing to join is dispicable the worst kind of offense. THAT is the lowest thing I have seen said on this message board. This woman is staying by her man through a tough time and you have the nerve to place the needs of the homeless over those of our fighting FAMILIES. Yes families, not men. They made a choice to defend this country...unlike the homeless that made a choice to be burden.
thank you.
ya the waiting list here goes upwards of indefinite. i also felt attacked to compare my husband in iraq and choosing to serve to homeless was just uncalled for. i was in the navy and come from a military family (except my parents) i never went over there but there are some people here that work on the tanks that have been in 15 years and still havent went, the system is flawed in the worse way.
 
armywife1314

armywife1314

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2663086
My son head back from the sandbox very soon His wife is headed back to GA and they nailed a really nice house on base (if the pics are accurate). They are putting up a fence in the back yard for them as well. I ampretty sure they only have to pay phone. Power and cable was included where they are.
every post is different, honestly most are better than here and all you have to pay is phone/internet. not here. there is a shortage of everything here in hood, i would have really thought when we first got stationed here that everything would be smooth here and well taken care of, being the largest military base but its not at all. about half the houses get charged for electricity, you get your own cable/sattelite, and phone/internet. the only thing that comes with the paying of your housing allowance is rent, garbage, water, and some electricity if it applies to your house.
 
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