Mega-Powerful Nitrate and Phosphate Remover Replaces Skimmer, Refugium, Everything

santamonica

Member
Happy: The material was a give-away test. Still in evaluation. Another material might be availalble sooner, however. Make sure to post pics/stories of your build!
Mix: Probably your flow is too low, compared to your light. So if you can't increase your flow, turn the light off 2 more hours.
 

happyfeet

Member
Let me know if any other materials come in.

Also, I'm moving and I'm 99% sure my new apartment will have copper piping. I looked all in the apartment and it had PVC piping, but due to locked doors I couldn't investigate the boiler-room or anywhere else. I'm pretty sure it does because the apartment was built sixty yeard ago.
Does this effect how I will clean off the sheet?
 

rwrvetn

New Member
Have turf filter designed after your concept. Has a great 1/2 to 1 inch carpet of dark green growth which I harvest every other week. Is it important to establish red turf algae? My Phosphates always remain zero, but my nitrates hover around 20-40. Granted I have tooo many fish for a true reef tank, but all corals are thriving and growing rapidly. Any suggestions other than depopulating the fish load? Thanks
 

santamonica

Member
Happy: If you have a reef, then RODI is the best bet. Although algae does eat copper, it would be a risky experiment. As for material, I'm going to just make some double-layer cactus-rough plastic canvas sheets. I just got some material today. The original material was ripping.
RW: If your scrubber is powerful enough, you won't have nitrates. So the issue is how to improve the power. You can start by cleaning every 7 days. Beyond that, I'll need all the specs on your tank and scrubber setup.
 

posiden

Active Member
I have a reef tank. I have all copper piping in my house. I only use a scrubber to filter my tank. I use fresh water right out of my sink to clean my scrubber off.
I don't know if it is right or not, but it is what I do. My corals don't flinch about the cleanings at all.
 

happyfeet

Member
Originally Posted by Posiden
http:///forum/post/3121494
I have a reef tank. I have all copper piping in my house. I only use a scrubber to filter my tank. I use fresh water right out of my sink to clean my scrubber off.
I don't know if it is right or not, but it is what I do. My corals don't flinch about the cleanings at all.
Thanks for the info, I'll set up a trial run before I really stock the tank, just incase!
 

santamonica

Member
Success Updates:
Jason1 on the RS site: "I have to tell you, this thing works great. My tank is definitely showing signs of improvement and looks really cleaned up from what it used to. Thank you."
Danno.Thomas on the SWF site: "Have mine up and functional on a 30 gal, that was just changed over from a 20 gal, had zero new algae growth in the DT. Scrubber is working like magic. Small feather dusters abundant. 6 years in the hobby and my tank has never looked more alive. This is my exclusive filtration."
Troythegreat on the 3R site: "i personally think that scrubbers are a Godsend to reefers. IMO scrubbers work much better than skimmers at 1/10th the cost, all you need is a little discipline. I've had my scrubber running on my 75gal for about 7 months without any trace of nitrates or phosphates. I have 2 clowns, 4 damsels and a engineer goby plus many coral. i feed my coral once a day and my fish twice a day.........i clean the scrubber every 5 days and change carbon once a month."
Chadjwil on the scrubber site: "I've been running an algae scrubber on my 55 [for 7 months]. That tank has never had a skimmer or canister or any other filtration in it, ATS since birth! I'm totally loving it, and...due to space restrictions in the stand ... my screen is undersized, and until last week it was under-lit (bare minimum now), and it's still keeping that tank clean and nutrient free. My fish are so healthy looking, more so than all but the best of the LFS within 50 miles, and my shrimpies molt like mad. I used to be a little leary about telling people that I ran an ATS because of all the sideways looks and comments that I got (and I'm sure my wife thought I was crazy too), but over the last few months more and more people have been commenting on how nice our tank looks, and that theirs was full of algae and a pain to clean all the time, we must spend all our time cleaning and screwing with it...now I get a lot of satisfaction telling them that I spend 5 minutes scraping algae off a plastic tank divider every week or so and I'm done. True believer here."
 

king_neptune

Active Member
Scrubber station is active!!
Made a pretty shoddy Acrylic shield, but for its lack in luster...it makes up for in functionality.
I will cut the flow bar and add another 3" to it so It can support the acrylic shield properly. Right now it rests on the baffle below.

These are super bright lights. 65w PC florescent. Simple yard lights found at lowes for around $45. Boast the coverage of a 500w light, and 500sq ft of yard lit up.

I got them set to swivel out for easy access and removal of scrubber:

I scored the plastic with a 3" hole bit, so lets hope it starts seeding with algae. I plan to do bi monthly cleanings. do one side, then wait a week and do the other side. This means each side gets cleaned every two weeks. Its a light bio load right now(jsut a small CuC nothing more), so I dont really expect to see any action just yet.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
1- I was wondering if there is anything useful I can do with this turf? Is it possible to re-cycle it?
- Perhaps feed it to my lawn more blenny, or any algea eating fish for that matter.
2- Can it maybe be refrigerated for daily feedings?
3- I need some help finding people with scrubbers on a JBH 29g Nano. Or any nano for that matter. I cant really find any good info.
4- Can you pm me with some "Help" finding the other sites with scrubbers? Like this elusive "Scrubber" site I hear about?
 

santamonica

Member
Your build looks great. Except the screen material.... please do replace it with two layers of plastic canvas, roughed up like a cactus.
You can feed a tiny bit back, but that will slow down your nutrient filtering, and your nuisance algae will hang around longer.
Check the algae scrubber site for several nano examples. Just search for it.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
thanks for the key words. that chain of words fired it right up

how bout your other special screens, you get any more back yet? i can PM you a paypal if you got em.
 

king_neptune

Active Member
thanks for the heads up.
also been at it for a good hour now. not really finding any scrubber builds that are compatible with a JBJ 29nano, perhaps you have come across some? or maybe a site that sells them pre made? could you pointme to them on the scrubber site? I jsut gained membership and posted there a few hours ago.
 

santamonica

Member
Update: Deep-Sump Nano's
There are two types of nano's: The one that has a hatch on the top, so you don't have to open the whole lid to get to the filters, and the one without a hatch, where you do have to open the lid. It's this second one (with a deep "sump"), that is the most difficult to put a scrubber into. Indeed, if at all possible, you want to instead make an external scrubber, that sits above the tank:

You can enclose the scrubber with a box, or just use the lid of the bucket, to keep the light in. And actually, since nano's need such small screens, you could just use a coffee can, with the lid, which will block out all light once sealed. Decorate the can like a vase, and it will add to your decor. And use black tubing too so it looks nice. It doesn't need air flow, unless you want evaporation and cooling. Regardless, if you do this design, make sure to use "aquarium-safe" silicon on all electrical connection inside the bucket (including where the bulb screws in), because water and salt will build and short it out.
If, however, there is no possible way to put a scrubber above your nano, then you can install one in the "sump" area if you are good at DIY. It's a tight fit, but it can be done:
Riaanp on the MASA site did this:


And Nitschke65 on the SWF site did this:



The idea is to use one of the compartments (probably the middle one) for a waterfall area. For lighting, although Riaanp put the light inside, it's probably best to put the light on the outside (back) of the tank, and scrub off the paint on the backside so that the light can get through to the scrubber screen. The bulb only needs to be one watt for every gallon, so a 13 or 18 watts CFL 3000K is fine.
Fortunately you don't need much screen size for a nano... just 2 square inches (6.25 square cm) for every U.S. gallon (3.8 liters), because the screen is one-sided.
This type of setup is nice because it does not require any cutting of the sump walls, and thus can be converted back easily. Also, there is no real cost... just the screen (2 layers of roughed-up plastic canvas, about $1 USD), and the bulb and socket, probably $7.
 

carlos_ing

New Member
Hello, wanted to know which is more efficient to accommodate more sufarce for algae, that is to take a lamp and two screens, one on each side or put two bulbs for one screen. thanks
 

posiden

Active Member
Originally Posted by carlos_ing
http:///forum/post/3128579
Hello, wanted to know which is more efficient to accommodate more sufarce for algae, that is to take a lamp and two screens, one on each side or put two bulbs for one screen. thanks
Well, how much real estate do you have for sale? There is two ways to look at this.
Two lights will use more energy then one will but, the light will be more focused and better utilized as you can use the flood type bulbs.
The real estate bit comes in with, one screen will need less space. So, it can be done both ways. They both have pros and cons like every thing else. As far as surface for the alage.....it will be the same either way unless, you install three bulbs and light both side of each screen.
I hope that makes sense. Two screens one bulb is the same thing as one screen and two bulbs.
 

carlos_ing

New Member
for my two-screen version is more secure because a clean weekend over and another weekend to clean the other, and get more light by half and put it in there to use reflectors with their losses.
 

posiden

Active Member
So, it sounds like you have the room for two screens. Yes it will use half as much energy as one screen with two lights and get the same surface area. You got it.

Good Luck
 
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