Mixed Martial Arts... For Children? Unbelievable!

[el guapo]

Originally Posted by Nano Reefer
http:///forum/post/2692323
6'4 225. bench 350. leg press 700 (way too much hiking). 3 years kickboxing. 2 years karate. I work as a bouncer part-time. i've never had a black eye. the guys that try to fight me usually cant because it takes to long for their fist to get up to my head.
i took down 2 big-ish drunk guys. one was maybe bigger than me, the other was a couple inches shorter. i smashed the taller guys chin with an elbow uppercut and punched the shorter one in the sternum. they both fell down and i lifted them one at a time and smashed my size 15 in their you-know-where and told them to never come back. we asked them to leave because they were starting trouble, and i dealt the pain.
i saw a dude stealing from a car, and asked him why he was grabbing everything from a car with broken glass. he looked at me and said it was his car, so then i put his face to the back of his head (not literally though). the lady came out of the grocery store and gave me $100 bucks. no bad for being a good Samaritan.
So what exactly is your story man ? Do you just make it up as you go ?

I guess a Monster of a human such as your self just relys on brute strength and intemidation ? No need for these kids to train and learn actuall skills ?Personally I don't think you have a clue what your talking about .

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2698602
Before we know it every table in the world will have coasters , And no roll of toilet paper will go uncovered .

dude i just had vitamin water come out my nose and now my monitor is covered as well...

 

[harlikwin]

I don't think this is really a reflection of the decline of society by any means, but I have mixed feelings about MMA for kids.
pro: 1.I would have loved this opportunity when I was a kid (not that my parents would have let me do it)
2.Kids fight plain and simple, and it might be better having them do it in an organized fashion with monitoring and rules, than it happening in a back alley where a kid can be beat to death.
3. if done with a proper rules system, the right attitude, and the right protective equipment, it can be a fairly safe sport; kids bleed playing every other sport, at least any I played.
4. Maybe this is selfish reasoning but I would love to see the potential fighters that could arise from this early training, I watched the videos and was impressed with the technique, discipline, and skill some of these kids showed. (better than many of the 20 somethings newbs that I had BJJ classes with) I want to see the Tiger Woods of MMA!
5. I noticed in the videos that the kids showed a lot of class in victory and defeat with hugs, bows, handshakes, and the displays of respect you feel for someone you have fought with. I think this builds a strong character in a person. (when I started mma I just wanted to win, after winning and losing several times I began to appreciate the chessmatch that was the fight and began to develop respect for my opponent and not only the desire to win, but the desire to better both my and my opponents techniques so we were both better fighters.
Ok I'm sure I left out plenty, but I gotta get a few cons in"
Cons: 1. There should be a thorough inspection made to be sure this is what the child wants to do, not what some parent wants!
2. It does seem a bit rough to me to see a kid knocked around and hear them cry out, thus I think a well planned out rule system and use of protective equipment should be in place.
3. I think it is in some of our natures to want to be protective and nurturing and it is tough to balance the freedom of children with protecting them, and I have a hard time deciding this myself. It is hard to restrict a persons freedoms by an age. I regret never being able to play organized sports in school for reasons my parents were afraid of injury, and maybe for good reason, I was too rough playing unorganized games and fighting with friends and neighbors. To me though, it would be hard to tell someone who wants to do something that might be dangerous that they can't do it because of the danger, when people have died in the name of freedom. And I'm not using that lightly or to justify being able to do anything, but some people love to fight (myself being one) and I know since being pretty young I have appreciated it, and while that appreciation grew much more deep in meaning, it was always intense, so it's tough to say what a fair age is to chase dreams.

 

[el guapo]

Originally Posted by Nano Reefer
http:///forum/post/2698588
yes! thats exactly what you need. they showed an example of mixed martial arts where kids were taught the different styles of fighting, but never faught each other. theres no need to promote violence at such a young age.

There are not "different "styles of MMA . There are different styles of martial arts . Martial arts incompasses more than just the eastern styles of self deffence and fighting it is a term used to cover all styles of armed and unarmed combat including boxing and wrestling . MMA or Mixed Martial Arts is the use of multiple styles of fighting . Taking what works from multiple styles .

 

[harlikwin]

Yeah, like muay thai, or pooping ones pants to use the ultimate form of grappling defense, yeah you ever tried to grapple with someone who crapped themself, yeah I though so...

 

[el guapo]

There are just those matches when you have to throw in the towel and let poopie britches win the fight .

 

[harlikwin]

Ah, so you've seen my fights eh? Yeah, in Brazil I'm actually known as "polvo do tombadilho" a name that strikes fear into grappling opponents

 

[harlikwin]

Sorry it's actually "polvo da merda" in brazil

 

[hlcroghan]

MMA is a great up and coming sport and it is always going to be controversial because it can be very violent, however, martial arts learned from a young age almost never causes the person learning to become more violent unless improperly trained. If anything it gives the person more discipline and makes them more tolerant and able to control their anger. They also will learn how to diminish a situation with the least possible damage to the other person. How often do you see some punk with no self-control bully other people on the playground (as children) and later on in their adult lives. I have a 5 year old son and he is having problems controlling himself and his anger. I wished I had started him in martial arts at 2 years old. Maybe now he would have a better grasp on when it is appropriate to use that anger and to become physical with another person. I fully support this wonderful art form and wished I had taken it more as an adult. As for MMA itself, I see it being no different than being a professional in some other sport that you love such as football or track and field. How often do runners pull a hamstring or football players get a concussion??
One more tidbit....to date there has only been one death from professional MMA fight. And that occurred later on after the fight was over from a head injury.

 

[pbienkiewi]

I have a hard time comment on this topic. I have spent 20 min typing then erasing, typing then erasing. I have a positive then I have a negative for it over and over again. I am a MMA. I have trained in judo, ju jitsu, submission wrestling, Kick boxing, pancrase, and a little greko roman wrestling. I started off when I was 12 years old. Sixteen years later I still love it. Yes, it needs tough rules. Do I have a hard time seeing a kid pick up another kid who is in his guard then slam the kid down possibly on his neck? Yes, I do. I am saying this because I have had my shares of bumps, bruises, and broken bones. Shoulder dislocated, knee blown out by a former fellow who I was working out with hyper extended my knee. These body parts will never be the same. Here I am 28 and have a messed up knee and shoulder. Then again if these kids did not like it they would not be doing it.

 

[nano reefer]

Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2698613
So what exactly is your story man ? Do you just make it up as you go ?

I guess a Monster of a human such as your self just relys on brute strength and intemidation ? No need for these kids to train and learn actuall skills ?Personally I don't think you have a clue what your talking about .
yes, but i practiced when i was in middle and highschool. i never bled. i never faught like a savage. i learned how to use my body in combat, and i knew how bad combat was. i was raised that fighting was bad, these kids are being raised up like it's good. i dont know crap about MMA, except that it is a lot violent than regular "tae-kwon-do" or "karate". i think karate at age 7 where they spar and have no real chance of hurting each other teaches the same values, but a lot less risk of being hurt and a lot less risk of becoming violent outside of dojo.

 

[nano reefer]

Originally Posted by pbienkiewi
http:///forum/post/2698689
I have a hard time comment on this topic. I have spent 20 min typing then erasing, typing then erasing. I have a positive then I have a negative for it over and over again. I am a MMA. I have trained in judo, ju jitsu, submission wrestling, Kick boxing, pancrase, and a little greko roman wrestling. I started off when I was 12 years old. Sixteen years later I still love it. Yes, it needs tough rules. Do I have a hard time seeing a kid pick up another kid who is in his guard then slam the kid down possibly on his neck? Yes, I do. I am saying this because I have had my shares of bumps, bruises, and broken bones. Shoulder dislocated, knee blown out by a former fellow who I was working out with hyper extended my knee. These body parts will never be the same. Here I am 28 and have a messed up knee and shoulder. Then again if these kids did not like it they would not be doing it.
and if it happens to a kid, they can be damaged for the rest of their life.

 

[nano reefer]

Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2698635
There are not "different "styles of MMA . There are different styles of martial arts . Martial arts incompasses more than just the eastern styles of self deffence and fighting it is a term used to cover all styles of armed and unarmed combat including boxing and wrestling . MMA or Mixed Martial Arts is the use of multiple styles of fighting . Taking what works from multiple styles .
sorry, i meant different teaching styles of MMA.

 

[reefraff]

One thing I would say is HELLO? HEAD GEAR!!!!
What the hell is with that? As far as the sport itself you notice the bows at the end? Showing respect to you opponent. I really don't think its a bad deal except for the lack of head gear like the amature boxers wear.

 

[el guapo]

Originally Posted by Nano Reefer
http:///forum/post/2698700
yes, but i practiced when i was in middle and highschool. i never bled. i never faught like a savage. i learned how to use my body in combat, and i knew how bad combat was. i was raised that fighting was bad, these kids are being raised up like it's good.

You never fought like a savage yet in another post you claim to have pushed a guys face to the back of his head ? You claim to have practiced but never bleed. You claim to have never had a black eye also . For being such a bad dude you never fight and when you do you never get hurt ? Again I think you are making it up and you have very little clue what your talking about .

 

[el guapo]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2698716
One thing I would say is HELLO? HEAD GEAR!!!!
What the hell is with that? As far as the sport itself you notice the bows at the end? Showing respect to you opponent. I really don't think its a bad deal except for the lack of head gear like the amature boxers wear.

Wrsetling head gear doesn't protect from strikes and boxing head gear does not allow for the proper amount of movment on the ground .

 

[nano reefer]

Originally Posted by EL GUAPO
http:///forum/post/2698717
You never fought like a savage yet in another post you claim to have pushed a guys face to the back of his head ? You claim to have practiced but never bleed. You claim to have never had a black eye also . For being such a bad dude you never fight and when you do you never get hurt ? Again I think you are making it up and you have very little clue what your talking about .
never fought like a savage in the dojo, like these MMA kids are. never bled in the Dojo. no, i have never gotten a black eye. and i dont fight too often. i have gotten hurt, but when i throw a guy out of a bar its relatively easy because they dont see straight. have you ever met a bouncer that has been beaten up at the bar?
just to make it clear. i think MMA is fun to watch. but i dont think introducing such violence to a kid under age 13 is a good idea. other forms of fighting, like karate, for young kids help them learn to know how to fight. if a 15 year old makes a 15 year old bleed while fighting in a dojo from MMA, it is fine. 6 year old pummeling each other so they bleed is not good. at an older age they understand what violence will do because they see violence: media, movies, etc. but at age 6 they dont know the harms of violence outside of the dojo, so they will think fighting a kid in school isnt a big deal.

 

[nano reefer]

its like letting a young kid play GTA. it will provoke violence.

 

[nano reefer]

Guapo, i see your point. you see MMA as an equivalent to other available fighting schools for kids. i just dont agree. its okay for us to have different opinions.

 

[el guapo]

Originally Posted by Nano Reefer
http:///forum/post/2698728
never fought like a savage in the dojo, like these MMA kids are. never bled in the Dojo. no, i have never gotten a black eye. and i dont fight too often. i have gotten hurt, but when i throw a guy out of a bar its relatively easy because they dont see straight. have you ever met a bouncer that has been beaten up at the bar?
just to make it clear. i think MMA is fun to watch. but i dont think introducing such violence to a kid under age 13 is a good idea. other forms of fighting, like karate, for young kids help them learn to know how to fight. if a 15 year old makes a 15 year old bleed while fighting in a dojo from MMA, it is fine. 6 year old pummeling each other so they bleed is not good. at an older age they understand what violence will do because they see violence: media, movies, etc. but at age 6 they dont know the harms of violence outside of the dojo, so they will think fighting a kid in school isnt a big deal.

How is KARATE any different then mixed martial arts ? Kids learning how to strike/target vital areas is the same no matter what you call it .