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kjr_trig

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3283940
Reef I hate to blow your Conspiracy out of the water already. But the plates are from a box from Nascar and also are not Numbered and are never out of sight of the Nascar Tech team. They are installed by the Inspectors and then and ONLY then are the Teams allowed to put the Carb on the engine. Why is Little E so good on a plate track. He is like Big E on them he can see and feel the air around him. He knows how to draft off the side of a car. You could put him in a TRG car and he would be up front.
Spare me....Restrictor plate racing is the great equalizer of Nascar, that's why you see the mediocre drivers occasionally win there...Like Little E, Kesolowski, McMurray....You don't see those guys winning on the mile and half tracks, thats where the good drivers win.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3283940
Reef I hate to blow your Conspiracy out of the water already. But the plates are from a box from Nascar and also are not Numbered and are never out of sight of the Nascar Tech team. They are installed by the Inspectors and then and ONLY then are the Teams allowed to put the Carb on the engine. Why is Little E so good on a plate track. He is like Big E on them he can see and feel the air around him. He knows how to draft off the side of a car. You could put him in a TRG car and he would be up front.
Hate to blow your anti conspiracy theory but I believe it was nascar who slipped jr the plate. You can think what you want but when junior took tires and blew past everyone at Daytona the race after his daddy got killed he did on a straight away, not coming in or out of a corner. He pulled out of line and drove by everyone. Something was up with that, you can't pull that kind of power advantage with the plate package without having something extra.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3283958
Spare me....Restrictor plate racing is the great equalizer of Nascar, that's why you see the mediocre drivers occasionally win there...Like Little E, Kesolowski, McMurray....You don't see those guys winning on the mile and half tracks, thats where the good drivers win.

You see mediocre drivers win at other tracks too. Jr is a good driver but the most overhyped in the history of sports with the possible exception of Danica Patric.
 
ironeagle2006

ironeagle2006

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3283965
Hate to blow your anti conspiracy theory but I believe it was nascar who slipped jr the plate. You can think what you want but when junior took tires and blew past everyone at Daytona the race after his daddy got killed he did on a straight away, not coming in or out of a corner. He pulled out of line and drove by everyone. Something was up with that, you can't pull that kind of power advantage with the plate package without having something extra.
Back in 2001 DEI RCR and Andy Petree Racing had what was called the RAD cars for Talladega and Daytona only. These were cars that were so smooth Aero wise that even the paint layers were measured in a windtunnel to see how much drag they caused. The Engines at the time for those 3 teams for plate tracks were about 40-50 HP ahead of anyone else even Yates. Big E taught Jr on how to draft and were to draft from. To see how Dominating a RAD car was look at Sr's last win at Talladega in 2000 when in like 5 laps with only one car pushing he went from 15th to Victory lane with a car with a damaged fender on it.
 
t316

t316

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3283893
I was just going to post "Dwight! Tell me you raced the race?!?"

What does everyone think of the new cars? Personally I don't like seeing the Mustang out there. It's not cuz I bleed bow-tie, because I would equally dislike seeing the Camaro in there. It's that pony cars aren't suppose to be in NASCAR, they never have. NASCAR has always been with larger coupes. Chevrolet Monte Carlo's, Grand Prixs, Plymouth Superbees, Ford Thunderbirds, Dodge Chargers. Yea, I get that cheering for a Camry/Taurus to win is pretty weak too, but that's what the sport evolved to.
The only reason I didn't include the Challenger, is because the production Challenger, is a huge car
. But I do have a bone to pick. Why in the hell does the Challenger get to look so good and so close to it's production version? When the Impala looks soo terrible now. Not the production Impala is a head-turner, but the race car looks like a tadpole. It's so weird/ugly... And I think the Camry race car, looks better then the street Camry....

Oh, I was watching.....
As much as I like Jr though, I found it a little "unusual" that he pulled that off as well. I think that some drivers laid back a little there on the finish (probably because they knew they would be the most hated driver afterwards), but to not see him do a burnout because, in his words, they could take that engine back and tear it apart to see what they did right???? Where has this engine been all of the previous races. I think it was just a little more than "Big E's spirit riding along in the passenger seat".....ummm.
 
kjr_trig

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3283966
You see mediocre drivers win at other tracks too. Jr is a good driver but the most overhyped in the history of sports with the possible exception of Danica Patric.
Name one from this year or last year that wasn't at Taledega or Daytona or rain shortened (Ruetiman last year)???? I guess it depends on whom you think is "mediocre"....I can't name one this year, Ryan Newman would be the closest.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3283988
Name one from this year or last year that wasn't at Taledega or Daytona or rain shortened (Ruetiman last year)???? I guess it depends on whom you think is "mediocre"....I can't name one this year, Ryan Newman would be the closest.
Go back to last season. Logano, Vickers, Kahne, Keselowski all had wins.
 
kjr_trig

kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3284005
Go back to last season. Logano, Vickers, Kahne, Keselowski all had wins.
Logano won rain shortened, Keselowski won at Talledega (proving my point)....If you think Kahne is "mediocre", I suppose that's fair, but I don't, the guy leads a lot of laps out there and runs up front quite often, I guarantee I will run him 9 times in the fantasy deally.....As for Vickers, I can't argue that, though the guy did have several poles last year and made the chase.
 
aquaknight

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As far as conspiracy theory goes, my only thing is if that were true, I feel there would definitely have already been some whistle blowers. In the media-driven-society we live in today, the slightest drunken comment would have been headlines. Too many people have their hands in the NASCAR cookie jar, and too people stand a chance of seriously profitting by attempting to take down something as large as NASCAR.
That said, at the end Jr.'s car was untouchable. The entire 75 laps beforehand, the drivers could pull even in the outside line, but Jr.'s car was so much faster then the other 3 behind him, they couldn't. Reminded me a lot of a Jimmie Johnson win at Charlotte.
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3283958
Restrictor plate racing is the great equalizer of Nascar, that's why you see the mediocre drivers occasionally win there...Like Little E, Kesolowski, McMurray....You don't see those guys winning on the mile and half tracks, thats where the good drivers win.

Personally, I think the opposite. It's on those mile and halfs where the equipment matter exponentially more then other tracks. So it's no surprise that the top tier drivers in the best cars, win those races. And with the % of 1.5 mile tracks on the Cup schedule, it's also no surprise that the same names keep popping up as winners.
On a side topic, it's these mile and a half tracks that could be the death of NASCAR. People are going to get real tired of watching a 300 lap Cup race with 3 cautions, and only 8 cars finish on the lead lap....
Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3284007
....If you think Kahne is "mediocre", I suppose that's fair, but I don't, the guy leads a lot of laps out there and runs up front quite often, I guarantee I will run him 9 times in the fantasy deally.....
Gonna be a lot better next year when Kahne's in a Chevrolet next year, and a championship contender when he's in the 5 car in 2012
 
kjr_trig

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3284021
Personally, I think the opposite. It's on those mile and halfs where the equipment matter exponentially more then other tracks. So it's no surprise that the top tier drivers in the best cars, win those races. And with the % of 1.5 mile tracks on the Cup schedule, it's also no surprise that the same names keep popping up as winners.
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Didn't know Earnhardt was in such a poor car on such a poor team....Tell you what, when your boy Little E (or McMurray or Kesolowski for that matter) outdrives Kyle or JJ on a mile and half with 10 laps to go, come talk to me.....Until then, Little E's only hope to win is with a restrictor plate.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3284007
Logano won rain shortened, Keselowski won at Talledega (proving my point)....If you think Kahne is "mediocre", I suppose that's fair, but I don't, the guy leads a lot of laps out there and runs up front quite often, I guarantee I will run him 9 times in the fantasy deally.....As for Vickers, I can't argue that, though the guy did have several poles last year and made the chase.
Winning at the super speedways has a lot to do with the programs but as far as mediocre winners I would say Waltrip is the only real head shaker when it comes to winning at Daytona out of the blue. Newman and MacMurry both have wins and a lot of good finishes elsewhere. Newman has better stats than Kahne and McMurry isn't that far behind him.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3284022
Didn't know Earnhardt was in such a poor car on such a poor team....Tell you what, when your boy Little E (or McMurray or Kesolowski for that matter) outdrives Kyle or JJ on a mile and half with 10 laps to go, come talk to me.....Until then, Little E's only hope to win is with a restrictor plate.
Jr.'s not my boy. I've always maintained that the guy leading the points is 'my boy.'

And I can't sit here and say Jr. is a better driver, save maybe on those restrictor plate tracks, then the "top tier" list of Cup drivers. My point is that on those mile and halfs, you have to have the perfect aero packages, perfect handling packages. Instead of naming a time Jr. won a 1.5mi racetrack with a 10 to go pass, name me any driver whose won at a 1.5mi track with a pass with 10 to go, that wasn't because of a late race caution. Usually on those 1.5mi tracks, it's the team that has the right setup, and it shows the entire race. The winner of those 1.5mi races always has some huge "lead 230 of 250 laps" statistic.
It takes a team that's firing on a cylinders. There is also no denying that Jr.'s game has been off lately.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by kjr_trig
http:///forum/post/3284022
Didn't know Earnhardt was in such a poor car on such a poor team....Tell you what, when your boy Little E (or McMurray or Kesolowski for that matter) outdrives Kyle or JJ on a mile and half with 10 laps to go, come talk to me.....Until then, Little E's only hope to win is with a restrictor plate.
It's weird how the older these drivers get the less they win. I think young and crazy is a pretty important component in winning. How else do you explain Kyle Busch

JJ I think will be the one to crush all the records unless he gets greedy and starts his own team or something.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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The 48 is just stupid lucky. Or IMO can see the future. These teams win in waves. Some years the 18 can't lose other years it is the 99 or the 16. I'm personally liking this year because it seems more like a a smorgasboard. I'm glad they axed the wing because jimmy Johnson had that one way too figured out.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Johnson is doing just like they did last year. Come out, get some wins and then nothing. I think they throw away some races experimenting so they can bring something extra to the chase. Under the new system it's all about peaking at the right time. I really don't like it. I think it would be interesting to try increasing the win bonus the last 10 races so it would still be up in the air closer to the end instead of limiting it to 12 cars. That or just flat out increase the win bonus all year so we don't have people racing for a top 5 or 10 every week. A 30 point bonus would make it a lot more important to get the win instead of "big picture" racing we get all year now.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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The 48 is just stupid lucky. Or IMO can see the future. These teams win in waves. Some years the 18 can't lose other years it is the 99 or the 16. I'm personally liking this year because it seems more like a a smorgasboard. I'm glad they axed the wing because jimmy Johnson had that one way too figured out.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Busch is such a dip. That was sooo obvious. TNT sucks. I like having the race shown during the commercials but they need to do it like ABC does the Indy stuff.
 
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