need some help, opinions, thoughts whatever is good lol...

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/387060/need-some-help-opinions-thoughts-whatever-is-good-lol/40#post_3406207
Some places like labs and factories need completely purified water for mixing chemicals and stuff, medicines..etc. In our case the fish don't actually drink the water and besides that we are replacing those minerals and salts that have been removed with the ones in our salt mixes to the levels that our tanks require. I wouldn't buy a unit either without the option of bypassing or removing the DI stage of the filter.
I'm not saying something is wrong with an RO/DI unit...I'm saying it's bad advertisement. If a person goes to get a unit and it says not for human drinking purposes..or for Fish only, I wouldn't buy it, because the average consumer would assume that water for drinking is more pure than water just for fish tanks.
I mark everything I use for the tank, not only because I don't want soap or other contaminates, but fish water has lots of bacteria that is good for the fish but not good for me. So I assume that stuff made only for fish is also loaded with bacteria that fish need.
 
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/387060/need-some-help-opinions-thoughts-whatever-is-good-lol/60#post_3406210
I'm not saying something is wrong with an RO/DI unit...I'm saying it's bad advertisement. If a person goes to get a unit and it says not for human drinking purposes..or for Fish only, I wouldn't buy it, because the average consumer would assume that water for drinking is more pure than water just for fish tanks.
I mark everything I use for the tank, not only because I don't want soap or other contaminates, but fish water has lots of bacteria that is good for the fish but not good for me. So I assume that stuff made only for fish is also loaded with bacteria that fish need.
Bad adverstisement maybe, but if they didn't label it then an un assuming consumer could purchase it and think it's fine to drink. And that could be a liability issue for the manufacturer.
RO/DI is more pure than RO. As is distilled. The bacteria found in our water systems is not the same stuff found in marine aquariums. That's why alot of those instant bacteria products don't work. Most are made with the bacteria found in water treatment facilities. There was a study done that actually isolated the bacteria found in our marine aquariums and so far to my knowledge there's only one product on the market that is using it. It was created for large public aquariums who need to introduce livestock for a grand opening fast. I'll have to look later and see if I can find the info and send it to ya if you wish.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///forum/thread/387060/need-some-help-opinions-thoughts-whatever-is-good-lol/60#post_3406214
Bad adverstisement maybe, but if they didn't label it then an un assuming consumer could purchase it and think it's fine to drink. And that could be a liability issue for the manufacturer.
RO/DI is more pure than RO. As is distilled. The bacteria found in our water systems is not the same stuff found in marine aquariums. That's why alot of those instant bacteria products don't work. Most are made with the bacteria found in water treatment facilities. There was a study done that actually isolated the bacteria found in our marine aquariums and so far to my knowledge there's only one product on the market that is using it. It was created for large public aquariums who need to introduce livestock for a grand opening fast. I'll have to look later and see if I can find the info and send it to ya if you wish.
It's not like distilled water could hurt anything, and I can't imagine RO/DI hurting anything either. So what liability could they be worried about?
LOL...Sounds interesting. I think Spanko tells us the name of our good bacteria all the time. When you order a seahorse from seahorse.org they send a little packet of good bacteria, I assume to make sure of no ammonia spikes....since we add our horses all at once and things could get out of balance. They are dirty little eaters too.
Just to be safe I purchased some cycle when I added my horses from Peka. If seahorse.org does it...It was good enough for me to try. I had no idea that marine bacteria would be different since cycle says it's good for both.
 
cubnb79

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now i drink aquafina and this is right off there website sounds ro/di to me what you guys think????
What is reverse osmosis?
Reverse osmosis (RO) uses semi-permeable membranes with smaller pore sizes than microfiltration, ultrafiltration and nanofiltration to remove unwanted substances in the water, like sodium and chloride.
Does Aquafina's purification process remove beneficial substances?
Aquafina's purification system is designed to remove trace compounds like carbonates, bicarbonates, chlorides, sulfates, phosphates, nitrates, calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, iron and manganese. These compounds are also referred to as Total Dissolved Solids (TDS). While some of these compounds, like calcium and potassium, are necessary for your body, their minute levels in most bottled waters have no impact on health. Therefore, we remove these compounds to deliver a more pure water.
 
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Originally Posted by cubnb79 Does Aquafina's purification process remove beneficial substances?
Aquafina's purification system is designed to remove trace compounds like carbonates, bicarbonates, chlorides, sulfates, phosphates, nitrates, calcium, magnesium, sodium, potassium, iron and manganese. These compounds are also referred to as Total Dissolved Solids (TDS). While some of these compounds, like calcium and potassium, are necessary for your body, their minute levels in most bottled waters have no impact on health. Therefore, we remove these compounds to deliver a more pure water.
Well...All I know is that I have used grocery store water sold by the jugs and that can be refilled, since I started my saltwater tank....When I got tired of lugging the jugs around, I called Culligan to install a unit for me. I told them it was for my fish tank and that I wanted the exact same water the food stores carry. My well water is so bad I didn't want to sawp out filters, some of them are $80.00 each.
They set it up nice with it's own little faucet and holding tank, it is maintained by Culligan and I don't mess with it. The guy came last week and swapped out the big membrain...My TDS reading was 4. He said that was not the ususal reading he sees. I use my RO for so much the TDS stays low....That's all I wanted.
 
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lol yea i havent started to use ro water yet but soon and i already know i dont wont to lug around jugs so my own unit is a must...ill have to look into culligan guy vs. owning a unit plus filter replacement cost and see which is better on the pocket book.
 
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Originally Posted by cubnb79 http:///forum/thread/387060/need-some-help-opinions-thoughts-whatever-is-good-lol/60#post_3406259
lol yea i havent started to use ro water yet but soon and i already know i dont wont to lug around jugs so my own unit is a must...ill have to look into culligan guy vs. owning a unit plus filter replacement cost and see which is better on the pocket book.
I have horrible well water or I would have my own unit. I was spending about $47.00 a month on RO water from the store (we can't drink this well water either, so I have a dispenser I put a jug on as well fror drinking and cooking) Culligan's price isn't much cheaper at $39.99 but it does save a few bucks, and I don't have to break my back getting water. I still load a jug on the dispenser, but from my own RO faucet in the kitchen.
 
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yea well water is just bad yuck lol...but really to think about it i prob only need 30-35 gallons a month...i dont have much evaporation...so not sure how much i really want to invest...
 
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/387060/need-some-help-opinions-thoughts-whatever-is-good-lol/60#post_3406222
It's not like distilled water could hurt anything, and I can't imagine RO/DI hurting anything either. So what liability could they be worried about?
LOL...Sounds interesting. I think Spanko tells us the name of our good bacteria all the time. When you order a seahorse from seahorse.org they send a little packet of good bacteria, I assume to make sure of no ammonia spikes....since we add our horses all at once and things could get out of balance. They are dirty little eaters too.
Just to be safe I purchased some cycle when I added my horses from Peka. If seahorse.org does it...It was good enough for me to try. I had no idea that marine bacteria would be different since cycle says it's good for both.
Not all nitrifying bacteria is the same is what I was getting at earlier. Even if you know you're getting the right stuff, these bacteria in a bottle have a very limited shelf life for them to even be effective. So unless you know what type your getting and how old it is then you're probably wasting your money trying to purchase or use such products. But if you're currious try doing some research on a product called Brightwell Aquatics MicroBacter7.
I think the concern is probably just simply to try and avoid any legal issues from poping up as far as the labeling on some filters go. I don't think drinking either ro/di or distilled is necissarily going to kill you. It's been a big debate and hard to seperate good info from bad. I think it's more about the long term effects of not getting certain elements from your diet that is just not found in deionized or distilled water.
From wikipedia:
Health concerns
Further information: Water fluoridation
The drinking of distilled water has been both advocated and discouraged for health reasons. The lack of naturally occurring minerals in distilled water has raised some concerns. The Journal of General Internal Medicine[sup][11][/sup] published a study on the mineral contents of different waters available in the US. The study concluded
Drinking water sources available to North Americans may contain high levels of , or water that has some minerals, is associated with beneficial cardiovascular effects. As noted in the American Journal of Epidemiology, consumption of hard drinking water is negatively correlated with atherosclerotic heart disease.[12][/sup] Since distilled water is free of minerals, it will not have these potential benefits.
While a growing number of people prefer fluoride-free water for health reasons, others still suggest that—because distilled water lacks fluoride ions that are added by many governments (e.g. municipalities in the United States) at water treatment plants using fluoridation for its inhibition of cavity formation—the drinking of distilled water may increase the risk of tooth decay due to a lack of this element.[13][/sup] Of course fluoride can still be applied to the teeth alone with toothpaste and fluoride therapy.[14 [/sup]
 
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Originally Posted by 2Quills , or water that has some minerals, is associated with beneficial cardiovascular effects. As noted in the Epidemiology" title="American Journal of Epidemiology">American Journal of Epidemiology, consumption of hard drinking water is negatively correlated with atherosclerotic heart disease.[sup][12] Since distilled water is free of minerals, it will not have these potential benefits.
While a growing number of people prefer fluoride-free water for health reasons, others still suggest that—because distilled water lacks fluoride ions that are added by many governments (e.g. municipalities in the United States) at water treatment plants using fluoridation for its inhibition of cavity formation—the drinking of distilled water may increase the risk of tooth decay due to a lack of this element.[sup][13] Of course fluoride can still be applied to the teeth alone with toothpaste and fluoride therapy.[14[/sup] [/sup]
What do you know...LOL...if you brush your teeth you don't need their fluoride in the water...and as for the American Journal, they tell you to drink the water, then turn around and tell you it causes cancer if you do. As for fighting hard arteries....you can take vitamin E and get the same result. I watch Dr. Oz
That's why I don't understand how the government can force water filter builders to attach a negative statement like noit fit for hunam consumption on their RO/DI filters.
I'm not saying they don't ...I'm saying it's crazy.
 
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Originally Posted by Flower http:///forum/thread/387060/need-some-help-opinions-thoughts-whatever-is-good-lol/60#post_3406384
What do you know...LOL...if you brush your teeth you don't need their fluoride in the water...and as for the American Journal, they tell you to drink the water, then turn around and tell you it causes cancer if you do. As for fighting hard arteries....you can take vitamin E and get the same result. I watch Dr. Oz
That's why I don't understand how the government can force water filter builders to attach a negative statement like noit fit for hunam consumption on their RO/DI filters.
I'm not saying they don't ...I'm saying it's crazy.
Drinking pure RO/DI water that has had NOTHING put back in is very very bad.... Because it is highly pure H2O, containing almost NO minerals/elements/contaminants. Now when you drink 99.9xxx% pure - the water actually removes minerals & elements/salts FROM YOU (your gut) because it has NONE - and you have ALOT....this is bad, cause it will actually lower/deplete YOUR salt/element levels leaving you dehydrated, without feeling thirsty....and the more RODI you drink - the more depleted YOUR system becomes...this can/WILL become fatal in short order.
Bottled, store bought distilled & ANY water NOT labled "not for human consumption" has SOME elements / trace elements added back in, because true distilled can be rather unhealthy to drink, as it contains too few elements in it, again causing the water to absorb elements from your system, instead of replentishing them. ALL bottled water EITHER was never purified to 99.9xxx% OR if it was - things were added back in to make it "drinkable"
I have taken sips of my rodi, and found it absolutely TASTELESS - which is strange, casue even good bottled water has some taste to it....Also true pure H2O does NOT conduct electricity, and you can drop a live AC120volt wire into the water, AND put your hand into the water and NOT get shocked. I don't suggest this as a test for water purity, but water that is too pure to drink - also conducts no electricity. It's the salts/elements in the water that allow it to conduct. Pure water is actually an insulator.
This is why we have good salt mixes - that are designed to take that REALLY pure H2O and turn it into sea water. Any elements that were in the water PRIOR to the mix - well now those now may be too high.
 
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Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///forum/thread/387060/need-some-help-opinions-thoughts-whatever-is-good-lol/60#post_3406400
But salt dehydrates you...
Try living without trace salts in your system - you won't last hours. Salt (and there are MANY types of salts, like potassium, calcium, sodium, etc) are critical to maintain in the right value. (for humans & sw fishes)....too much salt/elements, or too little is fatal - and drinking 100% pure water DEPLEATS you of salts & elements.
Saltwater fish drink very little saltwater, and in their gut, it's converted to fresh water for their systems to use - they generate a small but VERY concentrated urine - containing much of all those elements/salts in the saltwater they can't/don't use. BUT they need freshwater, just like us!
Freshwater fishes (like people) drink alot of water, and generate alot of diluted (weak) urine.
 
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You need such a trace amount of it in your diet that you'll still get through other sources.
Thanks for the fish fact, didn't know that!
 
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Originally Posted by travelerjp98 http:///forum/thread/387060/need-some-help-opinions-thoughts-whatever-is-good-lol/60#post_3406406
You need such a trace amount of it in your diet that you'll still get through other sources.
Thanks for the fish fact, didn't know that!
Yes & no. About 6 years ago, some radio station idiots had a contest where they made contestants drink as much bottled water as they could in like 30 minutes - and they couldn't pee (it was called hold your pee for a wii contest)......One woman drank like over 3 gallons - went into an osmotic coma, and died within 2 hours (water intoxication) Her electrolyte (salt) levels got so low, it killed her. Lack of water can kill within 3 days, toooo much can kill much quicker. Water is used by us to flush our systems of toxins, impurities, etc. - while keeping us hydrated, and replentishing necessary elements.. Not enough water is just as bad as too much. Am not saying drinking a glass of 100% pure rodi is fatal - but it's not wise to drink it in any substantial quantity. Water with some minerals in it is the best - but even then it can be overdone, as shown by the example:
http://chemistry.about.com/b/2007/01/14/woman-dies-from-drinking-too-much-water.htm
 
cubnb79

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ok im going to change the subject for quick bit lol...i got my coralife skimmer last week and it was missing a part, anyways got the part on there and everything seems to be working but there's no micro bubbles??? the air intake is not plugged up i can manually blow into the venturi and i get micro bubbles but when its just hanging out no bubbles is this normal? whats the fix if any?
 
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ok nm fixed that problem everything working fine except the bubble defuser so getting oxygen in my tank...got skimmer in my sump so what bubbles make it down there my return is sucking them into tank...ideas???
 
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