Need to decide which firearm to get
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darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by louti
http:///forum/post/3223264
Another thing to consider is that, unless you are using a scatter barrel, which I doubt that 500 you are looking at comes with, you will be shooting very tight groups at close range anyway. And most of your shots in a home defense situation are going to be close quarters.
As long as you are within 15 feet the spread remains pretty tight. But as an example, I have an upstairs and a downstairs...I can look down into my living room...a perpetrator next to a loved one sitting on the farthest end of the couch from me, would be at a distance of almost 50 feet in this scenario...
I am not sure of your house lay out though. While most are at very close range, not all are. just something to consider.
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Another thing to consider is that, unless you are using a scatter barrel, which I doubt that 500 you are looking at comes with, you will be shooting very tight groups at close range anyway. And most of your shots in a home defense situation are going to be close quarters.
As long as you are within 15 feet the spread remains pretty tight. But as an example, I have an upstairs and a downstairs...I can look down into my living room...a perpetrator next to a loved one sitting on the farthest end of the couch from me, would be at a distance of almost 50 feet in this scenario...
I am not sure of your house lay out though. While most are at very close range, not all are. just something to consider.
fishtaco
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3223266
As long as you are within 15 feet the spread remains pretty tight. But as an example, I have an upstairs and a downstairs...I can look down into my living room...a perpetrator next to a loved one sitting on the farthest end of the couch from me, would be at a distance of almost 50 feet in this scenario...
I am not sure of your house lay out though. While most are at very close range, not all are. just something to consider.
All these posts about what type of gun is best for home defense made me forget my first line of home protection is my trusty Aussie Cattle dog.
Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3223266
As long as you are within 15 feet the spread remains pretty tight. But as an example, I have an upstairs and a downstairs...I can look down into my living room...a perpetrator next to a loved one sitting on the farthest end of the couch from me, would be at a distance of almost 50 feet in this scenario...
I am not sure of your house lay out though. While most are at very close range, not all are. just something to consider.
All these posts about what type of gun is best for home defense made me forget my first line of home protection is my trusty Aussie Cattle dog.
Fishtaco
mastertech
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TAURUS JUDGE. .45 Colt/.410 Shotshell revolver
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by mastertech
http:///forum/post/3223280
TAURUS JUDGE. .45 Colt/.410 Shotshell revolver
they have a 3 inch shell model now, that would be fun to shoot.
Look, just buy both.
http:///forum/post/3223280
TAURUS JUDGE. .45 Colt/.410 Shotshell revolver
they have a 3 inch shell model now, that would be fun to shoot.
Look, just buy both.
yearofthenick
Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3223259
If this is for home defense, something to consider...the shotgun could possibly limit your options if a perpetrator is in close vicinity to a family member.
I was thinking this EXACT same thought last night... but if an intruder has a knife to my daughter's throat, I don't think I'm going to fire a handgun at him either... even if I get him in the head, he could still really hurt her. As my mind walks through possible scenarios, I begin to pray that I'll never have to actually live through any of them.
http:///forum/post/3223259
If this is for home defense, something to consider...the shotgun could possibly limit your options if a perpetrator is in close vicinity to a family member.
I was thinking this EXACT same thought last night... but if an intruder has a knife to my daughter's throat, I don't think I'm going to fire a handgun at him either... even if I get him in the head, he could still really hurt her. As my mind walks through possible scenarios, I begin to pray that I'll never have to actually live through any of them.
yearofthenick
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Originally Posted by Fishtaco
http:///forum/post/3223273
All these posts about what type of gun is best for home defense made me forget my first line of home protection is my trusty Aussie Cattle dog.
Fishtaco
Haha that's funny. We have a 110-lb yellow lab that barks whenever someone knocks on the door. I agree he is probably the best method of deterrent, but if an intruder persists, I want to be ready.
http:///forum/post/3223273
All these posts about what type of gun is best for home defense made me forget my first line of home protection is my trusty Aussie Cattle dog.
Fishtaco
Haha that's funny. We have a 110-lb yellow lab that barks whenever someone knocks on the door. I agree he is probably the best method of deterrent, but if an intruder persists, I want to be ready.
yearofthenick
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3223285
Look, just buy both.
Eventually I will be purchasing both, but I am debating about which one to get first.
I have a rain check on the shotgun, at a special deal from Big 5 that is no longer on sale. The Mossberg combo kit is normally $369, but I have the rain check for $279. They had the gun delivered yesterday and called me to let me know.
But if I blew the money on the shotgun, I probably wouldn't have money for the handgun until a few months from now. Plus, the rain check doesn't expire, so I can get the shotgun at that price pretty much anytime.
The handgun is $339 on budsgunshop.com and I know a local FFL who will receive it for practically nothing. Yes, it is slightly more expensive, but only by $50 which isn't much.
http:///forum/post/3223285
Look, just buy both.
Eventually I will be purchasing both, but I am debating about which one to get first.
I have a rain check on the shotgun, at a special deal from Big 5 that is no longer on sale. The Mossberg combo kit is normally $369, but I have the rain check for $279. They had the gun delivered yesterday and called me to let me know.
But if I blew the money on the shotgun, I probably wouldn't have money for the handgun until a few months from now. Plus, the rain check doesn't expire, so I can get the shotgun at that price pretty much anytime.
The handgun is $339 on budsgunshop.com and I know a local FFL who will receive it for practically nothing. Yes, it is slightly more expensive, but only by $50 which isn't much.
yearofthenick
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Originally Posted by louti
http:///forum/post/3223252
I love my sigma 40 S&W. I also have a 500 for hunting. If it's strictly for home defense, I would go with the handgun for maneuverability. As Socal stated TWICE, you can use the fragmenting ammo if you are worried about wall penetration. As a side note, many people complain about the long trigger pull of the Sigma, and this was my biggest concern before getting it. It took a few clips to get used to, but now I think I am more accurate with it than with shorter, crisper triggers I've shot.
Yeah I remember that about the Sigma. My buddy has one and let me shoot a few magazines and I remember pulling it and having to pull it again twice as hard for it to fire. I think it works out to my benefit though - harder to shoot means harder to make mistakes.
http:///forum/post/3223252
I love my sigma 40 S&W. I also have a 500 for hunting. If it's strictly for home defense, I would go with the handgun for maneuverability. As Socal stated TWICE, you can use the fragmenting ammo if you are worried about wall penetration. As a side note, many people complain about the long trigger pull of the Sigma, and this was my biggest concern before getting it. It took a few clips to get used to, but now I think I am more accurate with it than with shorter, crisper triggers I've shot.
Yeah I remember that about the Sigma. My buddy has one and let me shoot a few magazines and I remember pulling it and having to pull it again twice as hard for it to fire. I think it works out to my benefit though - harder to shoot means harder to make mistakes.
flower
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I didn't read all the posts...this is my 2 cents.
If you have been depressed lately, a gun is a very bad idea...Also if there are children in the house any gun can become dangerous, and locked up is useless for what you want it for.
Get a big dog, train it properly. It will serve as a first line of defense and allows for time to call police or escape. They make great loving pets and bad guys will avoid your house in the first place. Also a surveillance video camera will deter bad guys; the two together will serve you more than any firearm.
Now going hunting or range shooting is different scenarios altogether. I just don't think a gun is very good protection.
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by Flower
http:///forum/post/3223304
I didn't read all the posts...this is my 2 cents.
If you have been depressed lately, a gun is a very bad idea...Also if there are children in the house any gun can become dangerous, and locked up is useless for what you want it for.
Get a big dog, train it properly. It will serve as a first line of defense and allows for time to call police or escape. They make great loving pets and bad guys will avoid your house in the first place. Also a surveillance video camera will deter bad guys; the two together will serve you more than any firearm.
Now going hunting or range shooting is different scenarios altogether. I just don't think a gun is very good protection.
There always has to be just one.....did he ask if he should get a gun or not? Did he say he was depressed?
http:///forum/post/3223304
I didn't read all the posts...this is my 2 cents.
If you have been depressed lately, a gun is a very bad idea...Also if there are children in the house any gun can become dangerous, and locked up is useless for what you want it for.
Get a big dog, train it properly. It will serve as a first line of defense and allows for time to call police or escape. They make great loving pets and bad guys will avoid your house in the first place. Also a surveillance video camera will deter bad guys; the two together will serve you more than any firearm.
Now going hunting or range shooting is different scenarios altogether. I just don't think a gun is very good protection.
There always has to be just one.....did he ask if he should get a gun or not? Did he say he was depressed?
flower
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3223319
There always has to be just one.....did he ask if he should get a gun or not? Did he say he was depressed?
He did not say he was depressed, but I have been reading his other posts, and Year of the nick has had a rough go of it lately...I did say IF.. Also I did ‘n't have a fit or anything, raging against guns. I offered an opinion, for hunting or shooting for sport a gun is fine...MY OPINION is that for protection a gun is useless, if you have children you have to keep it locked up. So I simply offered an alternative. Gee whiz.
yearofthenick
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The guns both come included with locking mechanisms.
I'm not depressed. I got really into the movie Avatar when I watched it that one time in 3D... and when I left the movie theater, I was kinda sad that our world was so gray in comparison to all the bioluminescent beauty in the movie. I even wrote a thread about it recently, also showing that CNN wrote an article about others who had similar feelings after watching Avatar.
But I'm not depressed. I'm actually doing quite well. My wife is about to give birth to our second child, a son, due Feb 20. I had an EXCELLENT 1-year review at my job - I asked for a raise and it's looking pretty promising. Money is always kind of tight, but hopefully not as much so with the raise I'm hoping they'll approve.
But I love my kids and I love my wife way too much to leave them by blowing my head off with a gun. If that's what you're suggesting, I have to say that you won't find instability like that here.
I'm not depressed. I got really into the movie Avatar when I watched it that one time in 3D... and when I left the movie theater, I was kinda sad that our world was so gray in comparison to all the bioluminescent beauty in the movie. I even wrote a thread about it recently, also showing that CNN wrote an article about others who had similar feelings after watching Avatar.
But I'm not depressed. I'm actually doing quite well. My wife is about to give birth to our second child, a son, due Feb 20. I had an EXCELLENT 1-year review at my job - I asked for a raise and it's looking pretty promising. Money is always kind of tight, but hopefully not as much so with the raise I'm hoping they'll approve.
But I love my kids and I love my wife way too much to leave them by blowing my head off with a gun. If that's what you're suggesting, I have to say that you won't find instability like that here.
yearofthenick
Active Member
So come on guys, vote please! I need someone to tip the scale in either direction. I voted for the handgun so that's why it's a 5-4 vote, but that doesn't help me because it's still basically a 4-4 vote without my two cents. I just need one more person to vote. Anyone?
scsinet
Active Member
Originally Posted by mastertech
http:///forum/post/3223280
TAURUS JUDGE. .45 Colt/.410 Shotshell revolver
IMO the ultimate home and close quarter defense weapon. It's a lot of gun for ladies to handle though and the grip leaves something to be desired. Be sure to get the ultralight. Loading alternatively with .45 and 410 makes for a formidable weapon, either from a home defense or carjacking perspective. I wish I had one. I keep a Glock 22 loaded with Magsafe within reach of the bedside.
I am not a fan of Mossbergs, particularly the 500. I had a bad experience which may well be isolated. IMO I'd do a Remington 870 Wingmaster Magnum 12ga pump.
Another idea for home defense that I've been considering is to buy a well used (I.E. inexpensive, but mechanically and metallurgically sound) pump at a gun show, and fit a folding stock so I can use it either as pistol grip or shoulder, and cut the barrel down to the minimum legal length. As others have said, the formidable sound of the pump action is enough to frighten many intruders away.
http:///forum/post/3223280
TAURUS JUDGE. .45 Colt/.410 Shotshell revolver
IMO the ultimate home and close quarter defense weapon. It's a lot of gun for ladies to handle though and the grip leaves something to be desired. Be sure to get the ultralight. Loading alternatively with .45 and 410 makes for a formidable weapon, either from a home defense or carjacking perspective. I wish I had one. I keep a Glock 22 loaded with Magsafe within reach of the bedside.
I am not a fan of Mossbergs, particularly the 500. I had a bad experience which may well be isolated. IMO I'd do a Remington 870 Wingmaster Magnum 12ga pump.
Another idea for home defense that I've been considering is to buy a well used (I.E. inexpensive, but mechanically and metallurgically sound) pump at a gun show, and fit a folding stock so I can use it either as pistol grip or shoulder, and cut the barrel down to the minimum legal length. As others have said, the formidable sound of the pump action is enough to frighten many intruders away.
yearofthenick
Active Member
Crap... we're still basically even. Anyone else want to vote?
bulldog123
Member
The problem with a long barrel weapon is its easier for someone else to control. Think of it this way, you come around a corner what is the first thing making it. If they do get the end it will be easily taken off the target. For this reason I would go with the hand gun. Now if im depressed I use the shotgun. JMO
scsinet
Active Member
I'll put a vote in for the handgun, but only because I don't like the mossberg and using a long gun for home defense does have it's disadvantages.
I'd certainly use fragmenting ammo like others have said. If a stray bullet goes into your neighbor's house, it's your responsibility.
In a larger sense, IMO which path you go down should be your choice, not others... especially not on the internet. Research, and make sure you get something that suits you and anyone else that might need to reach for it (wife, etc). Above all, spend the time practicing at the range, and make sure everyone is comfortable about it's use, location, etc.
I'd certainly use fragmenting ammo like others have said. If a stray bullet goes into your neighbor's house, it's your responsibility.
In a larger sense, IMO which path you go down should be your choice, not others... especially not on the internet. Research, and make sure you get something that suits you and anyone else that might need to reach for it (wife, etc). Above all, spend the time practicing at the range, and make sure everyone is comfortable about it's use, location, etc.