bionicarm
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3213502
Yet you voted for the guy instead of the guy the fits your definition of an independent. McCain crossed more party lines and conducted more dealings across the aisle than any other senator. He sat in the middle his entire career.
And we have yet to see you disagree on this forum about anything Obama wants to do or has done.
I didn't vote for McCain because of his running mate. Plain and simple.
As far as not diasgreeing with Obama - unlike you, I don't have this "I Want It Now" kind of attitude. I'm willing to give the wheels a little time to turn before making a decision whether it was a correct policy or not. You sit and speculate the doom and gloom of his policies, of whether it MAY or may not happen down the road. You automatically decided they would fail before giving them time to succeed. Of course all Democrats spend, that's what they all do, right? There's no way we'll get a return on our money in 5 or 10 years down the road, because that's what history tells us. Sorry, but history doesn't always repeat itself. Honestly, I don't care for several of the items that are in the current Senate or House healthcare bill. But unlike you, I don't sit here and slam Obama and say he wants to destroy this country. I'm waiting for the final bill to arrive (if and when it does), and make a determination if I agree with it then. If not, then I'll complain just like you. Don't neccessarily care for the Cap and Trade initiative, but in my mind, something needs to be done to reduce emissions. Whether it's a cause of global warming is irrelevent. It's a scientific fact that carbon emissions are bad. But like the healthcare issue, Cap and Trade isn't set in stone.
Obama has been testing the waters with all the polices he's implemented so far. He had to try something. The economy was in the gutter, employment was at and all time high, house foreclosures were happening left and right, and small businesses were folding. We were in the midst of a Recession, heading for a Depression. So he took a stab at it with bank and auto industry bailouts. Apparently for the Conservatives, that wasn't the prudent thing to do. If he'd just given across the board tax breaks, those would've had to be paid back one way or another. Logically, you'd think they'd get repaid by the infusion of more jobs and more businesses. But the way the economy was (and still is), every business out there is afraid to take that risk and try to increse their productivity. So tax breaks may have backfired, and we would be paying them back with raised taxes down the road.
You wouldn't catch me in Obama's position. I don't care what benefits I'd receive in the long run. The guy is in a no win scenario. It's damned if I do, damned if I don't. Stick McCain, Palin, Bush, or even Reagan in that position today, and you'd probably have the same results. I personally wouldn't trust anyone you put in there. I honestly don't know what it's going to take to turn this country around. But I can guarantee you bashing this Party, or that Party, or blaming a specific person for the undoing isn't going to do a bit of good.
http:///forum/post/3213502
Yet you voted for the guy instead of the guy the fits your definition of an independent. McCain crossed more party lines and conducted more dealings across the aisle than any other senator. He sat in the middle his entire career.
And we have yet to see you disagree on this forum about anything Obama wants to do or has done.
I didn't vote for McCain because of his running mate. Plain and simple.
As far as not diasgreeing with Obama - unlike you, I don't have this "I Want It Now" kind of attitude. I'm willing to give the wheels a little time to turn before making a decision whether it was a correct policy or not. You sit and speculate the doom and gloom of his policies, of whether it MAY or may not happen down the road. You automatically decided they would fail before giving them time to succeed. Of course all Democrats spend, that's what they all do, right? There's no way we'll get a return on our money in 5 or 10 years down the road, because that's what history tells us. Sorry, but history doesn't always repeat itself. Honestly, I don't care for several of the items that are in the current Senate or House healthcare bill. But unlike you, I don't sit here and slam Obama and say he wants to destroy this country. I'm waiting for the final bill to arrive (if and when it does), and make a determination if I agree with it then. If not, then I'll complain just like you. Don't neccessarily care for the Cap and Trade initiative, but in my mind, something needs to be done to reduce emissions. Whether it's a cause of global warming is irrelevent. It's a scientific fact that carbon emissions are bad. But like the healthcare issue, Cap and Trade isn't set in stone.
Obama has been testing the waters with all the polices he's implemented so far. He had to try something. The economy was in the gutter, employment was at and all time high, house foreclosures were happening left and right, and small businesses were folding. We were in the midst of a Recession, heading for a Depression. So he took a stab at it with bank and auto industry bailouts. Apparently for the Conservatives, that wasn't the prudent thing to do. If he'd just given across the board tax breaks, those would've had to be paid back one way or another. Logically, you'd think they'd get repaid by the infusion of more jobs and more businesses. But the way the economy was (and still is), every business out there is afraid to take that risk and try to increse their productivity. So tax breaks may have backfired, and we would be paying them back with raised taxes down the road.
You wouldn't catch me in Obama's position. I don't care what benefits I'd receive in the long run. The guy is in a no win scenario. It's damned if I do, damned if I don't. Stick McCain, Palin, Bush, or even Reagan in that position today, and you'd probably have the same results. I personally wouldn't trust anyone you put in there. I honestly don't know what it's going to take to turn this country around. But I can guarantee you bashing this Party, or that Party, or blaming a specific person for the undoing isn't going to do a bit of good.
