Now I am mad

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2758659
I m tired of the rest of the world argument. Is the rest of the world going to pay for the healthcare, social security, and our national debt? NO....then why does their opinion matter?
Amen brother.

 

[beth]

We live in the world and have to deal in the world. I wouldn't mind having a president, such as Reagan, who was well respected (and feared). Even Clinton was able to deal in the world arena. Lets face it, Bush flunks in this area, and I suspect McCain will too.

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2758852
We live in the world and have to deal in the world. I wouldn't mind having a president, such as Reagan, who was well respected (and feared). Even Clinton was able to deal in the world arena. Lets face it, Bush flunks in this area, and I suspect McCain will too.
Let's take a look at this. Reagen respected and feared. Why?
Because he meant what he said. If Ron said he was gonna come over and pop you in the face, he meant it.
Clinton able to deal in the world arena. What exactly did he accomplish in the World arena?
Got us involved in Bosnia over what? What did we accomplish there?
Bush fails in the world arena? According to who?
For what was thrown on the plate for GW, I think he did a good job. Alot better than Gore or Kerry. I would like to see some statements from other World Leaders commenting negatively about GW.

 

[reefraff]

Obama has yet to author and pass any major legislation yet we are to assume he will be more successful on the world stage than John McCain who among other things was one of the chief negotiators when the US was normalizing relations with Vietnam

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2758852
We live in the world and have to deal in the world. I wouldn't mind having a president, such as Reagan, who was well respected (and feared). Even Clinton was able to deal in the world arena. Lets face it, Bush flunks in this area, and I suspect McCain will too.
Clinton fired a Tomahawk into a tent filled with camels in the middle of the desert and gave missile technology to China amongst countless other blunders. I hardly would call that a passing grade in the world arena

However your true colors are starting to show

 

[beth]

I agree that GW had a lot thrown on his plate, and he probably was not the best one to deal with it either. Actually, I haven't really seen any outstanding politicians come to the table in a very long time. In that light, perhaps so-called "experience" is not necessarily the winning recipe....at least not the same ole, same ole experience.

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2758997
I agree that GW had a lot thrown on his plate, and he probably was not the best one to deal with it either. Actually, I haven't really seen any outstanding politicians come to the table in a very long time. In that light, perhaps so-called "experience" is not necessarily the winning recipe....at least not the same ole, same ole experience.
Beth, I think we all can agree that it's just been crop of losers after another for a while now. Kinda sad how the media dictates that for us.
Die hard Republican that I am...I definitely didn't want McCain...but I must say. I am impressed with Sarah Palin. I feel she has the grit, determination, and straightforwardness to push things through a stubborn Congress.
And I would have rather seen Hillary over Obama. I truly feel she has more understanding of the implications of a Presidents actions.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2759036
Beth, I think we all can agree that it's just been crop of losers after another for a while now. Kinda sad how the media dictates that for us.
Die hard Republican that I am...I definitely didn't want McCain...but I must say. I am impressed with Sarah Palin. I feel she has the grit, determination, and straightforwardness to push things through a stubborn Congress.
And I would have rather seen Hillary over Obama. I truly feel she has more understanding of the implications of a Presidents actions.
I agree with everything you said although I quit being a Republican when Newt got thrown under the bus. I think he would make a great president.

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2759069
I agree with everything you said although I quit being a Republican when Newt got thrown under the bus. I think he would make a great president.
Newt, Rudy, Mitt. My 3 choices over McCain. But the Media wanted McCain because they thought even if he wasn't an easy adversary to beat, he would be most likely to carry some bit of torch for the Dems also.
That's why the media is FREAKIN' OUT over Sarah Palin. A total wildcard they know nothing about.
What really bugged me is the way Mitt was treated. Like he's a dangerous criminal element because he's Mormon.
Friggin' Obama is getting closer to all out admitting his "muslim faith".

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Beth
http:///forum/post/2758852
We live in the world and have to deal in the world. I wouldn't mind having a president, such as Reagan, who was well respected (and feared). Even Clinton was able to deal in the world arena. Lets face it, Bush flunks in this area, and I suspect McCain will too.
I actually disagree with ya on this one Beth.
France and Germany both elected PM's who ran on a pledge to restore their relations with the USA. Much of Eastern Europe is very fond of the President. China went to the table with us to deal with N. Korea.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2759098
..
Friggin' Obama is getting closer to all out admitting his "muslim faith".
Actually...... No "closer" about it. Obama did an interview this weekend.
"Let's not play games," Obama said. "What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."
Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted with, "Christian faith."
"My Christian faith," Mr. Obama said quickly.
Very odd slip of the tongue. I've been a Christian for almost 30 years.... never mispoke and called myself a Muslim.

 

[darthtang aw]

You got a link for that?

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2759221
You got a link for that?
Actually it's all over; even on youtube. Just google +obama +"muslim faith"

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2759218
Actually...... No "closer" about it. Obama did an interview this weekend.
"Let's not play games," Obama said. "What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come."
Mr. Stephanopoulos interrupted with, "Christian faith."
"My Christian faith," Mr. Obama said quickly.
Very odd slip of the tongue. I've been a Christian for almost 30 years.... never mispoke and called myself a Muslim.
A couple months ago, when he said we had 57 States, I wonder if he wasn't thinking of the 57 Islamic States??
Here ya go Darthtang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQqIpdBOg6I

 

[squidward]

^ Ok all else fails ...use the religion card lol. Sad. I thought this country was for freedom of religion, I guess not.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2759310
^ Ok all else fails ...use the religion card lol. Sad. I thought this country was for freedom of religion, I guess not.
Careful...
Your Democratic Party is the champion of restricting religious freedoms.
No one is saying Obama doesn't have the right to practice whatever religion he wishes. Several of us do question, however, his ability to confuse Christianity with Islam. I've been a Christian for a lot longer than Obama and I've never made that mistake.

 

[reefraff]

Oh come on, the guy isn't a muslim. There are too many legitimate reasons to oppose him. Leave the phony BS attacks to the Democrats.
By the way, if you hit on groupers link to youtube check out the side pane videos for red state update's video Obama admits he's muslim. Funny stuff right there.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2759310
^ Ok all else fails ...use the religion card lol. Sad. I thought this country was for freedom of religion, I guess not.
I don't have the slightest issue with Obama being Muslim.
I am simply not quite ready for a Muslim president.

It's not Islam I have the issue with here.
It's a man trying to pretend to be something he is not.
Not just any man, but the one that wants me to elect him as my presedent.
You must admit that's a pretty bad slip-up.
Sigmund Frued would be proud.

 

[socal57che]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2759493
Oh come on, the guy isn't a muslim. There are too many legitimate reasons to oppose him. Leave the phony BS attacks to the Democrats.
This bothers me. Not your statement, but Obama's. I mean really, do you often tell people you are Canadian?
"Oh wait, I forgot. I was born in New Jersey and now live in Chicago. Sometimes I forget I'm not Canadian."

 

[stdreb27]

Please obama is whatever religion he thinks he needs to be to get elected. If he was running for president of Iraq he'd be muslim, if he were running in india he'd be hindu. He is simply a man of opportunity.