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stdreb27
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The other thing you said that bothered me is this thing with reagan. You want to know why he was significant? What the huge deal is about him. He was really the first president to embrace the Freedman view of economics. It was a total idealogical shift. Up to this point, the government took a very keynesian approach to economic developement. It went from we need to control the economy to a more lassie fare approach. That is what was rebranded reganomics. And it proved to work. Across the pond thatcher did the same thing. And is one of the key reasons they and we are a couple of the stongest economies in the world.
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
What I was referring to is modern day like the bases in Germany and Korea, not past wars. I wpuld rather be on a base in Korea than in a sand storm in Iraq if I were a soilder...
lmao!!! Are you serious? And a Disneyland employee would rather work in the waterpark than Clean out Bathrooms in the middle of summer...
So what you are saying is we should end the war because the environmental conditions aren't equivalent to a base in Germany, oh and the military soldiers get shot at......thought that was in the job description when they joined. Hmmm....maybe you should contact their union rep while you are at and have them contact the Generals and inform them their will be grievances filed because they are in harsh climates and occasionally getting shot at. Get off it, would you. THIS IS THE UNITED STATES MILITARY, not boy scout troop 520 or a teamster.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
But anyway... those wars had much more significance to our our development as a nation and stopping Nazi Germany from taking over the Eastern world and murdering millions of people.
The war continued for a long time after HITLER nad Germany were defeated, plus the years of rebuilding afterwards with guerilla tactics performed by "wolverines" against us. We had defeated Germany, but the country as a whole was growing tired of fighting Japan and the cost in lives to our men and women fighting. Yet they stayed the course. You speak as if everyone knew the impact we would have on germany and Japan in the aftermath of that war. We didn't, just like you CAN NOT claim to know the feature and aftermath of this war. If we win, 20-30 years from now Iraq may be the modern day Japan, and once again it would be because of the U.S. of A. and our meddlesome ways....
Originally Posted by Rylan1
Back to the wars you mentioned... aren't the first 3 the same war or series of wars?
I also looked it up to be sure... in the info I found it states "From the standpoint of the American colonies, the war was completely pointless. Both French and English forces won a number of engagements and managed to occupy part of each other's territory. However, the treaty restored all possessions to their prewar status.
No, they were separate wars, but stemming from the same reasons. However the affect of these wars would have been drastically different to the U.S. as a country had France won....I would go into it further but I do not feel like giving out a history lesson on something that was taught in early high school.
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by stdreb27
The other thing you said that bothered me is this thing with reagan. You want to know why he was significant? What the huge deal is about him. He was really the first president to embrace the Freedman view of economics. It was a total idealogical shift. Up to this point, the government took a very keynesian approach to economic developement. It went from we need to control the economy to a more lassie fare approach. That is what was rebranded reganomics. And it proved to work. Across the pond thatcher did the same thing. And is one of the key reasons they and we are a couple of the stongest economies in the world.
Regarding Reagan further, at the time the Left repeatedly condemned him (sound familiar) for creating policies that would fail and ruin this country....He was a horrible president, blah blah blah, yet now he is regarded as one of the greatest presidents of our nations history....Funny how Time will truly reflect the reprecussions or benefits of the vision ....Everyone though Clinton was great, but as time has gone on, his foreign policy has proven to have failed us......
The other thing you said that bothered me is this thing with reagan. You want to know why he was significant? What the huge deal is about him. He was really the first president to embrace the Freedman view of economics. It was a total idealogical shift. Up to this point, the government took a very keynesian approach to economic developement. It went from we need to control the economy to a more lassie fare approach. That is what was rebranded reganomics. And it proved to work. Across the pond thatcher did the same thing. And is one of the key reasons they and we are a couple of the stongest economies in the world.
Regarding Reagan further, at the time the Left repeatedly condemned him (sound familiar) for creating policies that would fail and ruin this country....He was a horrible president, blah blah blah, yet now he is regarded as one of the greatest presidents of our nations history....Funny how Time will truly reflect the reprecussions or benefits of the vision ....Everyone though Clinton was great, but as time has gone on, his foreign policy has proven to have failed us......
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
But to equate us invading a country that was rumored to have WMD's and to not do anything to people who have them. It seems hypocritcal at minimum... yet we let people commit genocide and leave millions to starve? Oh wait, Saddam killed thousands of Kurds.... Well hundreds of thousands are being killed in Africa.... Oh Iraq has oil ...
You forget the many other factors, with why we went in. I won't bore you with them as you don't care. However regarding intervention in humatarian areas where genocide occurs. How long would this fical country of ours put up with our boys getting killed in a country that no matter what we do, they just keep attempting to kill each other and ourselves in the process.....and you want us to intervene as well.....Now that seems hypocritical....hmmm....which war could I give this an example to.....oh yeah, how about this one Iraq....
But to equate us invading a country that was rumored to have WMD's and to not do anything to people who have them. It seems hypocritcal at minimum... yet we let people commit genocide and leave millions to starve? Oh wait, Saddam killed thousands of Kurds.... Well hundreds of thousands are being killed in Africa.... Oh Iraq has oil ...
You forget the many other factors, with why we went in. I won't bore you with them as you don't care. However regarding intervention in humatarian areas where genocide occurs. How long would this fical country of ours put up with our boys getting killed in a country that no matter what we do, they just keep attempting to kill each other and ourselves in the process.....and you want us to intervene as well.....Now that seems hypocritical....hmmm....which war could I give this an example to.....oh yeah, how about this one Iraq....
darthtang aw
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
She was going to talk about the rigged elections. (Bhutto)... I don't think Al Qaeda has taken credit for this...as they usually do.
Yes they did.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/curre...to-al-qaeda-mc
She was going to talk about the rigged elections. (Bhutto)... I don't think Al Qaeda has taken credit for this...as they usually do.
Yes they did.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/curre...to-al-qaeda-mc
stdreb27
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Post WWII germany is a text book example to how the policies the dem's have their policies rooted in, don't work. From heavily planned industries, or price controls, it was a mess, massive unemployment, rampant hyperinflation, I don't remember his name but one of the "planners" finally said well whatever we are doing isn't working, heck with our price controls and some of the planning whatever happens happens. Within a few days the hyperinflation returned to more tolerable rates.
triga22
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People saying bring home the troops are not supporting them. They know what they got into and want the honor fighting for freedom. Not many people support the troops. Lots of people want them back but thats not support. Support is to bear or hold up (a load, mass, structure, part, etc.); serve as a foundation for.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
ya whatever,
Iraq is not Germany or Korea. Its hot, stinky, and you have to constantly worry about your life. Soilders have been deployed way too long, and are over worked. We've been there 6 years... can you believe it? Do you see things changing fast enough to say if we stay we won't spend another 6 fighting the same war with little to perhaps moderate change.
You do realize that hundreds of thousands of soldiers were deployed for 4+ years straight during WW2, right?
We're winning in Iraq Ryan. It's a good thing....
ya whatever,
Iraq is not Germany or Korea. Its hot, stinky, and you have to constantly worry about your life. Soilders have been deployed way too long, and are over worked. We've been there 6 years... can you believe it? Do you see things changing fast enough to say if we stay we won't spend another 6 fighting the same war with little to perhaps moderate change.
You do realize that hundreds of thousands of soldiers were deployed for 4+ years straight during WW2, right?
We're winning in Iraq Ryan. It's a good thing....
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
She was going to talk about the rigged elections. (Bhutto)... I don't think Al Qaeda has taken credit for this...as they usually do....
She openly stated she wanted NATO boots on the ground in northern Pakistan to go after Al Qaeda...
She was going to talk about the rigged elections. (Bhutto)... I don't think Al Qaeda has taken credit for this...as they usually do....
She openly stated she wanted NATO boots on the ground in northern Pakistan to go after Al Qaeda...
triga22
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
Either you are privledged or very young, and you don't know how the world works.
Either? I am both, I am 15 and privledged. Just like everyone else in the United States of America. Everyone has the freedom of speech, we can be a part of any religion, we can eat,drink, be free. To me that is being privledged.
Why would me being a teenager matter? Do you have more rights then me? Are you a better person becuase your older? Or is it the fact that I am a kid and I dont know anything? I could be the future president, I could be a dentist, doctor, the person who finds a cure to cancer. I dont know how the world works, ok so whats the age that I learn how the world works? Do I need to take lessons? I think that I know just as well as you. Respect your elders dosent mean that elders dont respect children. I respect you, I think I deserve it back.
Either you are privledged or very young, and you don't know how the world works.
Either? I am both, I am 15 and privledged. Just like everyone else in the United States of America. Everyone has the freedom of speech, we can be a part of any religion, we can eat,drink, be free. To me that is being privledged.
Why would me being a teenager matter? Do you have more rights then me? Are you a better person becuase your older? Or is it the fact that I am a kid and I dont know anything? I could be the future president, I could be a dentist, doctor, the person who finds a cure to cancer. I dont know how the world works, ok so whats the age that I learn how the world works? Do I need to take lessons? I think that I know just as well as you. Respect your elders dosent mean that elders dont respect children. I respect you, I think I deserve it back.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
...why were we so hell bent on ending communism? ...
Cause they were Hell bent on taking over the world?
...why were we so hell bent on ending communism? ...
Cause they were Hell bent on taking over the world?
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
....There is a reason why he has the worst approval rating in history. His negatives out way the postitives. ....
And the Senate (where both Obama and Hillary are supposed to be working occasionally...) has even worse record low approval ratings.
....There is a reason why he has the worst approval rating in history. His negatives out way the postitives. ....
And the Senate (where both Obama and Hillary are supposed to be working occasionally...) has even worse record low approval ratings.
1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
... We need to be in Africa right now....
We were in Africa, until we got hit in Mogadishu and Clinton ordered our military to tuck tail and withdraw.
... We need to be in Africa right now....
We were in Africa, until we got hit in Mogadishu and Clinton ordered our military to tuck tail and withdraw.
rylan1
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Originally Posted by TriGa22
Either? I am both, I am 15 and privledged. Just like everyone else in the United States of America. Everyone has the freedom of speech, we can be a part of any religion, we can eat,drink, be free. To me that is being privledged.
Why would me being a teenager matter? Do you have more rights then me? Are you a better person becuase your older? Or is it the fact that I am a kid and I dont know anything? I could be the future president, I could be a dentist, doctor, the person who finds a cure to cancer. I dont know how the world works, ok so whats the age that I learn how the world works? Do I need to take lessons? I think that I know just as well as you. Respect your elders dosent mean that elders dont respect children. I respect you, I think I deserve it back.
Don't get the wrong idea.... this is not an insult, but once you get out on your own, you'll gain a different insight. I'm not better, just more experienced. I can remember when I was 15... not so long ago... Have you ever heard the expression If I knew at 15 (or at whatever age) what I know now... I would ...." You could be the next president for all I know, however; life experience is important when it comes to having a world view and making particular decisions. I don't have a particular age for you... but I guarantee you will change and grow with each step of life you take, and it sounds like college will be your next step.
So good luck in that.
Either? I am both, I am 15 and privledged. Just like everyone else in the United States of America. Everyone has the freedom of speech, we can be a part of any religion, we can eat,drink, be free. To me that is being privledged.
Why would me being a teenager matter? Do you have more rights then me? Are you a better person becuase your older? Or is it the fact that I am a kid and I dont know anything? I could be the future president, I could be a dentist, doctor, the person who finds a cure to cancer. I dont know how the world works, ok so whats the age that I learn how the world works? Do I need to take lessons? I think that I know just as well as you. Respect your elders dosent mean that elders dont respect children. I respect you, I think I deserve it back.
Don't get the wrong idea.... this is not an insult, but once you get out on your own, you'll gain a different insight. I'm not better, just more experienced. I can remember when I was 15... not so long ago... Have you ever heard the expression If I knew at 15 (or at whatever age) what I know now... I would ...." You could be the next president for all I know, however; life experience is important when it comes to having a world view and making particular decisions. I don't have a particular age for you... but I guarantee you will change and grow with each step of life you take, and it sounds like college will be your next step.
rylan1
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
We were in Africa, until we got hit in Mogadishu and Clinton ordered our military to tuck tail and withdraw.
We've been getting hit in Iraq and Afganistan.. The worst human rights violations are taking place there... I just wish our gov't would step in.
We were in Africa, until we got hit in Mogadishu and Clinton ordered our military to tuck tail and withdraw.
We've been getting hit in Iraq and Afganistan.. The worst human rights violations are taking place there... I just wish our gov't would step in.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
And the Senate (where both Obama and Hillary are supposed to be working occasionally...) has even worse record low approval ratings.
Problem is with the parties and each party wanting to take credit for everything. Why can't they work together? Its the same issues year after year. But it seems they are more concerned with MLB.
And the Senate (where both Obama and Hillary are supposed to be working occasionally...) has even worse record low approval ratings.
Problem is with the parties and each party wanting to take credit for everything. Why can't they work together? Its the same issues year after year. But it seems they are more concerned with MLB.
rylan1
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Originally Posted by TriGa22
People saying bring home the troops are not supporting them. They know what they got into and want the honor fighting for freedom. Not many people support the troops. Lots of people want them back but thats not support. Support is to bear or hold up (a load, mass, structure, part, etc.); serve as a foundation for.
Again most people support the troops. They just don't support the leadership. We have care packs going out all the time from my job. Then you have people donating cell phones and etc... standing ovations at airports..etc..etc..
People saying bring home the troops are not supporting them. They know what they got into and want the honor fighting for freedom. Not many people support the troops. Lots of people want them back but thats not support. Support is to bear or hold up (a load, mass, structure, part, etc.); serve as a foundation for.
Again most people support the troops. They just don't support the leadership. We have care packs going out all the time from my job. Then you have people donating cell phones and etc... standing ovations at airports..etc..etc..
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
What's the difference from us spreading democracy and them spreading communism? In theory, isn't it the same thing?
That is the biggest problem with liberalism today, they don't believe in America, This questions says we are just as "evil" as communism. And we simply need people in office who believe in The American Ideology. How can you lead a country if you don't believe in it.
What's the difference from us spreading democracy and them spreading communism? In theory, isn't it the same thing?
That is the biggest problem with liberalism today, they don't believe in America, This questions says we are just as "evil" as communism. And we simply need people in office who believe in The American Ideology. How can you lead a country if you don't believe in it.