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[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2832788
If you think the CO and mileage standards can be met with some sensors or a convertor

The US manufacturers cannot compete with the foreign makers because of the labor costs as it is. Don't you suppose the US brands would already be selling those cars if they could compete?
The only way General Motors is going to survive long term is to go bankrupt so they can renegotiate the union contract to realistic levels or better yet just throw the union out. It's gonna cost we the taxpayers billions before the geniuses in government figure that out.
Sure they can. The company I'm working for right now is a major supplier for Ford, Chrysler, GM, and several other automotive industry companies. I see first hand what these companies need and can do. GM and Ford both would get more aggressive with building the 'green cars', but in order to do it, they have to completely retool their plants. They just don't have the capital to do it. I agree with you that they need to revamp their work force. It's time to put the UAW out of its misery, and pay reasonable salaries to the employees based on their job functions. Toyota built their new Tundra plant here in San Antonio, and I know several people working there. No unions, and pay is based on job title and work performance.

 

[hlcroghan]

I personally do not care if his laws force the car dealers to make more eco- friendly. It is going to cost more, yes. Eventually it will save both money and the environment. It's a win-win.

 

[veni vidi vici]

For The Love Of GOD!!!!! Can these friggin politicians stop with the Bailout money?Let these companies fail,why should they be rewarded for making bad decisions?Let the strong survive and the bad ones fail.Sheesh!!!!

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2833181
For The Love Of GOD!!!!! Can these friggin politicians stop with the Bailout money?Let these companies fail,why should they be rewarded for making bad decisions?Let the strong survive and the bad ones fail.Sheesh!!!!
At the rate it's going, who will be left?
Let's see...
Big 3, Circuit City, Dell, DHL, AIG, WAMU -- all have either filed bankruptcy, or are prepared to.
When you fall into a recession, it affects all businesses. Plus all the companies that supply products/parts to these upper tier companies. So go ahead and let them all fail. Then ask yourself where you'll get your next car, your next computer, your next video game, your next TV or appliance, your new health, life or car insurance, your next loan, or why you can't ship that new fish or coral to your house.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2833218
At the rate it's going, who will be left?
Let's see...
Big 3, Circuit City, Dell, DHL, AIG, WAMU -- all have either filed bankruptcy, or are prepared to.
When you fall into a recession, it affects all businesses. Plus all the companies that supply products/parts to these upper tier companies. So go ahead and let them all fail. Then ask yourself where you'll get your next car, your next computer, your next video game, your next TV or appliance, your new health, life or car insurance, your next loan, or why you can't ship that new fish or coral to your house.

First off we are not technically in a recession.Secondly why is the tax payer responsible for bad business practices? Let them get there own butts out of the ringer ,and if they cant ....... .I have a funny feeling if you cut out the free money these companies have been getting they will find a way like they have in the past during bad economic times.
BTW i think we will survive without these companies Big 3, Circuit City, Dell, DHL, AIG, WAMU.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2833235
First off we are not technically in a recession.Secondly why is the tax payer responsible for bad business practices? Let them get there own butts out of the ringer ,and if they cant ....... .I have a funny feeling if you cut out the free money these companies have been getting they will find a way like they have in the past during bad economic times.
BTW i think we will survive without these companies Big 3, Circuit City, Dell, DHL, AIG, WAMU.
Yea, we're not in a recession.. riiight. What is it, some percentage of loss in two consecutive quarters? People are losing their jobs, their savings, their 401k's. Major companies are dropping like flies. You want to use the technical terms for recession. Good for you. If that's what let's you sleep better at night.
Sure you can survive without them. But why should you have to?
Change the US flag to the Tokyo Red Dot. Might as well, that's the only companies that will be left. So much for Made In America.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2833218
At the rate it's going, who will be left?
Let's see...
Big 3, Circuit City, Dell, DHL, AIG, WAMU -- all have either filed bankruptcy, or are prepared to.
When you fall into a recession, it affects all businesses. Plus all the companies that supply products/parts to these upper tier companies. So go ahead and let them all fail. Then ask yourself where you'll get your next car, your next computer, your next video game, your next TV or appliance, your new health, life or car insurance, your next loan, or why you can't ship that new fish or coral to your house.

That is what the market is for...

 

[zman1]

What did I miss today guys?
An unconstitutional Louisiana Purchase?
Perhaps an offensive military action?
Any constitutional amendments?
Or has it just been another whining day about Obama conjecture...

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2833265
Yea, we're not in a recession.. riiight. What is it, some percentage of loss in two consecutive quarters? People are losing their jobs, their savings, their 401k's. Major companies are dropping like flies. You want to use the technical terms for recession. Good for you. If that's what let's you sleep better at night.
Sure you can survive without them. But why should you have to?
Change the US flag to the Tokyo Red Dot. Might as well, that's the only companies that will be left. So much for Made In America.
You are all over the place with your sarcasm.
We can survive without them and in time others will fill their place.But i see no reason why in addition to buying products or services from these companies that ran themselves into debt that i should now have to "GIVE" them money so they can stay in business. Am i responsible for their bad business practices?Maybe if we dont save these companies the rest of them will learn to run a tighter ship.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2833278
What did I miss today guys?
An unconstitutional Louisiana Purchase?
Perhaps an offensive military action?
Any constitutional amendments?
Or has it just been another whining day about Obama conjecture...
Just more promises of government spending from the obomba. And whining about a AWB that some republicans proposed.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2833294
Just more promises of government spending from the obomba. And whining about a AWB that some republicans proposed.
Wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2833290
You are all over the place with your sarcasm.
We can survive without them and in time others will fill their place.But i see no reason why in addition to buying products or services from these companies that ran themselves into debt that i should now have to "GIVE" them money so they can stay in business. Am i responsible for their bad business practices?Maybe if we dont save these companies the rest of them will learn to run a tighter ship.
How did a business like Circuit City 'run themselves into debt'? They buy the products that supposedly sell, then resell them to the consumer. They sell the same products as Best Buy, Frys, and a variety of these other electronic stores. Did they just build too many locations? The issue isn't that these companies had bad business practices. The issue is the consumer/public is sitting on their money and buying nothing. A company can't survive unless the consumer spends the money. The government is trying to keep these places afloat until all the paranoid people like you that think the world will come to an end without a Republican in office will open their pockets and start putting money back into the economy.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2833477
How did a business like Circuit City 'run themselves into debt'? They buy the products that supposedly sell, then resell them to the consumer. They sell the same products as Best Buy, Frys, and a variety of these other electronic stores. Did they just build too many locations? The issue isn't that these companies had bad business practices. The issue is the consumer/public is sitting on their money and buying nothing. A company can't survive unless the consumer spends the money. The government is trying to keep these places afloat until all the paranoid people like you that think the world will come to an end without a Republican in office will open their pockets and start putting money back into the economy.
Actually it is. Circuit City has been in trouble for around 6 or 7 years now. About 4 years ago they purchased all their stock back and went private. And have been in a "rebuilding mode" since then. Apparently it hasn't worked. Typically electronic stores work on a business model of high turn-over and accessories. Since they have almost no mark up on high dollar items. Literally they make more money selling a 50 dollar cable than they do a 3000 dollar TV. Several major electronics companies are up a creek. Radioshack for example has been struggling for 5 or 6 years. They've been through CEO after CEO they are turning tiny profits and have redone their stores several times. The problem with Radioshack and Circuit city isn't a bad economy. It is bad management, bad product placement, no differentiation between them and other major more popular retailers.
I find it ironic however now it is the Republicans fault for the "bad economy".

You can't honestly think this stuff can you?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2833477
How did a business like Circuit City 'run themselves into debt'? They buy the products that supposedly sell, then resell them to the consumer. They sell the same products as Best Buy, Frys, and a variety of these other electronic stores. Did they just build too many locations? The issue isn't that these companies had bad business practices. The issue is the consumer/public is sitting on their money and buying nothing. A company can't survive unless the consumer spends the money. The government is trying to keep these places afloat until all the paranoid people like you that think the world will come to an end without a Republican in office will open their pockets and start putting money back into the economy.
If what you say is true,the why is Best Buy still doing well enough to keep their stores open .Is it because they run a better business? Or because "W" owns it?
Why did Builders Square go under while Home Depot,Menards,and Lowes thrive?
was it because they ran their business better or "W" put them out of business?
I think it just might be good business practices.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2833632
If what you say is true,the why is Best Buy still doing well enough to keep their stores open .Is it because they run a better business? Or because "W" owns it?
Why did Builders Square go under while Home Depot,Menards,and Lowes thrive?
was it because they ran their business better or "W" put them out of business?
I think it just might be good business practices.
You're missing the point. I never said it was Dubya's fault. What I said was the country has pretty much fallen into a recession because the American public is whording their money instead of spending it. The majority of those people are Republicans like you that have such a disdain for the Democratic Party you're willing to freeze the economy to prove a point. "It's the Democrats fault. Now we have a Democratic Congress, and a Democratic President that's going to tax us to death and steal all our money. You think I'm spending my money right now, you're nuts"
Sorry, but right now it's Circuit City. If the economy stays the way it is, Best Buy, Home Depot, Lowes, and Menards will be next. All you have to do is read the paper and practically every company's quarterly report. One in five are making profits right now. Retail sales are at an all-time low. If the After Thankgiving sales are a bust, you will probably kiss some of your favorite stores goodbye. You can 'blame' it on anyone you want.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2833730
You're missing the point. I never said it was Dubya's fault. What I said was the country has pretty much fallen into a recession because the American public is whording their money instead of spending it. The majority of those people are Republicans like you that have such a disdain for the Democratic Party you're willing to freeze the economy to prove a point. "It's the Democrats fault. Now we have a Democratic Congress, and a Democratic President that's going to tax us to death and steal all our money. You think I'm spending my money right now, you're nuts"
Sorry, but right now it's Circuit City. If the economy stays the way it is, Best Buy, Home Depot, Lowes, and Menards will be next. All you have to do is read the paper and practically every company's quarterly report. One in five are making profits right now. Retail sales are at an all-time low. If the After Thankgiving sales are a bust, you will probably kiss some of your favorite stores goodbye. You can 'blame' it on anyone you want.

You can't be serious? For the past 8 years we've been hearing that EXACT same story on the news, while experiencing good economic growth. Question, if we the hoarding republicans were happy during the W years how can this be?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2833730
You're missing the point. I never said it was Dubya's fault. What I said was the country has pretty much fallen into a recession because the American public is whording their money instead of spending it. The majority of those people are Republicans like you that have such a disdain for the Democratic Party you're willing to freeze the economy to prove a point. "It's the Democrats fault. Now we have a Democratic Congress, and a Democratic President that's going to tax us to death and steal all our money. You think I'm spending my money right now, you're nuts"
So let me get this straight ,your now saying that this "Recession "isn't GWB fault but Republicans like me.Because I'm hording money because i have disdain for the Democratic Party.Ok you caught me,i'm not spending money and trying to ruin my country because i don't like Democrats .
Please reread your statement and realize how ridiculous it is.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2833730
Sorry, but right now it's Circuit City. If the economy stays the way it is, Best Buy, Home Depot, Lowes, and Menards will be next. All you have to do is read the paper and practically every company's quarterly report. One in five are making profits right now. Retail sales are at an all-time low. If the After Thankgiving sales are a bust, you will probably kiss some of your favorite stores goodbye. You can 'blame' it on anyone you want.
If the friggin Government would just stop pumping Trillions of taxpayers dollars into these sinking companies and just let Capitalism run its course,we will recover.Just like in the past,we will over come.But if we keep trying to save every bad business that sticks there hand out then two things will happen.1.They will just turn around and do it again "Spa getaways,golf trips,outrageous bonuses for failure......"
Or 2.The same as above plus the taxpayer of this country will have been robbed of all their hard earned money.
What part of this dont you get?

 

[stdreb27]

you do realize that you're advocating taking from the taxpayer and giving to the rich right? And you and your left wing wackos whine about giving "the rich" tax cuts.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2833742

You can't be serious? For the past 8 years we've been hearing that EXACT same story on the news, while experiencing good economic growth. Question, if we the hoarding republicans were happy during the W years how can this be?
You tell me. You sound like an economist. Why is the economy in such a downturn now? What's the logic behind it? Why are businesses dropping like flies, and unemployment is creeping higher and higher each month? Actually the economy has be going down for the last 2 or 3 years - around the same time the Democrats took control of Congress. So is that because the Demos totally screwed us over, or is it because, again, the Republicans became so paranoid that they would start another Carter Regime, they all slowed down their spending? Better to hang onto it than let the Democrats take it in taxes. Can one political party have that much influence on the economy? If you say yes, then it's time we disband them altogether.
I'm waiting for the magical solution. It doesn't make any sense to me. In the last 6 - 8 months, this country has been on a downward spiral that doesn't appear to have the ability to recover. I was hoping that it was because of this stupid Presidential election, and that it would start turning around after it was over. Apparently that's not the case. I don't have a clue what it will take to flip the switch the other direction. You guys seem to think you're the experts. You got the answers, head to Washington and change the rules.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2833799
I don't have a clue what it will take to flip the switch the other direction. You guys seem to think you're the experts. You got the answers, head to Washington and change the rules.
I personally dont have to have any of the answers to our predicament.But here are some fact of economics and generaly the laws of everything."What goes up eventually comes down" we cant have it good all the time ,we never have.We are in a down turn at the moment but,history has show us to start throwing money that we are borrowing at this problem without a clue and raising taxes will cause things to get much much worse.
Maybe ,just maybe everyone needs to take a breath and not panic.Let our capitalistic system we have level itself out...thin out the heard and let the strong survive and the weak and irresponsible businesses perish.