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bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2842629
Hanging chads weren't the issue. Whether or not to change the standard for what constitutes a vote in 3 selected counties was. The Democrats went to court to have relaxed standards in 3 heavily Democrats counties so so-called pregnant chads would count as a vote. If you are too stupid to at least partially knock out the chad you don't deserve to vote anyway.
I'll support Obama 100% on any of his programs I agree with. Not holding my breath on that one.
So voters were stupid because they didn't look into the little hole where the pen went into to see and make sure that it knocked it out completely? Come on. You have a hard enough time just getting people out there to actually vote. When they do vote, they expect the equipment to work as expected. I doubt seriously anyone back then stopped and examined their cards thoroughly to see if the hole they punched went all the way through. They were probably already thinking about where they had to be after waiting 1 - 2 hours in line just to get a chance too vote.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2842634
Yep, Bush didn't work with the Dems on anything. Except No Child left behind, Medicare part D, AIDs relief for africa, McCain Fiengold, Offshore Drilling ban,
You're saying No Child Left Behind was the brainchild of the Democrats? You're joking right? Bush was pushing that rhetoric when he was Governor of Texas. If you're bragging that idiotic reform is one of Bush's legacies, then we should've gotten rid of the guy years ago..
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2843360
WE DON'T SUPPORT THE WAR BECAUSE WE SHOULDN'T BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.[/SIZE]
Did you really not understand my point? Seriously?
btw dems voted to send troops to iraq not once but twice too. But I guess that is too much to ask a democrat to understand.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2843368
You're saying No Child Left Behind was the brainchild of the Democrats? You're joking right? Bush was pushing that rhetoric when he was Governor of Texas. If you're bragging that idiotic reform is one of Bush's legacies, then we should've gotten rid of the guy years ago..
umm ted kennedy wrote a good portion of that bill. But then again, you are part of the "if something doesn't work wash your hands of it and blame bush" party.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2843394
Did you really not understand my point? Seriously?
btw dems voted to send troops to iraq not once but twice too. But I guess that is too much to ask a democrat to understand.
umm ted kennedy wrote a good portion of that bill. But then again, you are part of the "if something doesn't work wash your hands of it and blame bush" party.
I guess I don't get what you're trying to say. My statement is the majority of the American public never expected us to go to war with Iraq. We were told we were going after Al-Qaeda, the people responsible for 9-11. Bush changed gears and started the Sadaam ouster push. Once we got rid of Saddam, the majority of Americans, both Republican and Democrat, started the push to get out of Iraq. So sorry, it isn't just the Dems who don't support Bush's little private war.
One of Bush's biggest platforms in 2004 was No Child Left Behind. He's always bragged how he frontiered this ridiculous and useless program, and has adamately refused to get rid of it. The program doesn't work, period.
Blame it on Bush if it doesn't work?
What did the Republicans do to Clinton on a variety of his programs? I guess in your mind, the "if something doesn't work wash your hands of it" only applies to Dems bashing a Republican president.
 
stdreb27

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you people refused to support our president (or our troops) while at war. From Murtha calling out troops rapists and murderers to Kerry calling them terrorists. To declaring the war lost. The moment a democrat gets elected. you say.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2842191
Either support the person who was elected, or leave. It's that simple.
Even in the face of American troops dying overseas your party not only refused to support the president, but major political figures on your side said stuff that you'd expect to hear from the Tokyo rose.
And that isn't even addressing the 8 year attack on Bush by the left. But you have the nerve to say support obama or leave.

What really gets under my skin is that I've heard this argument (you aren't the only liberal who has said this to me) from my friends who have for the past 8 years called bush a terrorist, a torturer and a killer. And they don't even see their hypocrosy.
Surely you see the idiocy of such a statement now.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2843538
you people refused to support our president (or our troops) while at war. From Murtha calling out troops rapists and murderers to Kerry calling them terrorists. To declaring the war lost. The moment a democrat gets elected. you say.
Even in the face of American troops dying overseas your party not only refused to support the president, but major political figures on your side said stuff that you'd expect to hear from the Tokyo rose.
And that isn't even addressing the 8 year attack on Bush by the left. But you have the nerve to say support obama or leave.

What really gets under my skin is that I've heard this argument (you aren't the only liberal who has said this to me) from my friends who have for the past 8 years called bush a terrorist, a torturer and a killer. And they don't even see their hypocrosy.
Surely you see the idiocy of such a statement now.

The Democrats and liberals kept pushing to pull out of the war once Sadaam was taken care of, and Bush refused. Why should the Dems support him if he won't heed to their requests? American soldiers wouldn't die if we pulled them out of Iraq. How many thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians have died during the 5 or more years we've been there? Torturer? Can you say WATERBOARDING? Can you say STRIPPING A PRISONER

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AND TAKING VIDEOS OF HIM WITH WOMEN SOLDIERS? The 'war' in Iraq ended less than a month after it was started. Sadaam was captured, and all is relatives and henchman were either captured or dead. End of story, end of war. Of course not. We have to make Iraq a more 'Democratic society'. We had to hold their hands and make sure nothing else would happen to them. Give me a break.
How are liberals being hypocritical for calling Bush those things enlight of what was going on in Iraq? Because the Reps called Obama a terrorist? Please. You people stuck that label on him because of this ridiculous association he had with Ayers. Who has Obama killed? Because he approved us going to war with Iraq, he's again guilty by association? Who called Obama a torturer? Bush got everything he had coming to him and more. I don't expect anything different once Obama gets into office. For that matter, he's constantly get lambasted by the Republicans in the media right now, and he hasn't even been sworn in yet. You've already judged the guy before he's had the opportunity to sit in the chair. Obama has already stuck his hand out to the Republicans and offered a truce. He intends on having Republicans in his Cabinet. But no one wants to give him a chance because the Dems talked mean and nasty about Dubya all these years. BOO HOO.
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2843907
Why should the Dems support him if he won't heed to their requests?
You've sort of brought up my point. Why should I support someone whose views are diametrically opposed to mine? Something you were advocating just a few short posts ago.
Heed their requests? minus Iraq and tax cuts Bush was a moderate.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2843907
But no one wants to give him a chance because the Dems talked mean and nasty about Dubya all these years. BOO HOO.
hmm I think Obama is the next hitler. (Boo hoo dems said it about bush)
I'm also in the process of writing a book on how obama is going to be assasinated.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2843367
So voters were stupid because they didn't look into the little hole where the pen went into to see and make sure that it knocked it out completely? Come on. You have a hard enough time just getting people out there to actually vote. When they do vote, they expect the equipment to work as expected. I doubt seriously anyone back then stopped and examined their cards thoroughly to see if the hole they punched went all the way through. They were probably already thinking about where they had to be after waiting 1 - 2 hours in line just to get a chance too vote.
It isn't really complicated to tell if you punched through a paper ballot or not. The democrat party was trying to create votes when none were cast.
Whats to say a person wont punch the wrong button or darken the wrong circle? Nothing is 100% accurate but to say a person couldn't tell if they punched a hole in a ballot or not when they had punched numerous others is ridiculous.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2843368
You're saying No Child Left Behind was the brainchild of the Democrats? You're joking right? Bush was pushing that rhetoric when he was Governor of Texas. If you're bragging that idiotic reform is one of Bush's legacies, then we should've gotten rid of the guy years ago..
Trying to change the subject once you are proven wrong again?
You said Bush didn't work with the dems on anything. I gave you a number of items including NCLB which by the way was championed by Ted Kennedy.
I don't brag on any of the big government crap bush pushed when he worked with the dems.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/2843819
Since when do you give any credence to the elite liberal media...

I have to admit that the source kinda threw me for a loop. I didn't post a link to the (white) girl who was assaulted by several (black) girls for wearing a "Palin" lapel pin on election night. It seemed too conservative. I didn't figure you kids would believe the story.
The little girl in Chicago with the shirts should get an A in the class for sheer bravery, or fail the class for being so wreckless.
 
zman1

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2845314
“The Chicago Tribune did something today it had never done before -- it had not endorsed a Democrat for President, not even Illinois Governor Adlai Stevenson in his two runs,” CBS Evening News
Since when have you given the elite liberal media any credence, too - CBS Evening News
Tribune endorsement: Barack Obama for president
"This endorsement makes some history for the Chicago Tribune. This is the first time the newspaper has endorsed the Democratic Party's nominee for president." - on the link I posted earlier
2:33 PM CDT, October 17, 2008
 
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