Obama supporters. I have one question

sigmachris

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In one of his debates, maybe Iowa... sorry I don't have back up...he stated he would have no reservation of striking (smart bomb) a potential Bin Laden hide out in Afghastan or Pakistan with or without the blessing of the country that is harboring him. He did go on to say that he would give the harboring government a moments notice before the strike so the harboring government wouldn't confuse the missile strike from India or one of their other enemies / neighboring countries.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by SigmaChris
http:///forum/post/2471714
In one of his debates, maybe Iowa... sorry I don't have back up...he stated he would have no reservation of striking (smart bomb) a potential Bin Laden hide out in Afghastan or Pakistan with or without the blessing of the country that is harboring him. He did go on to say that he would give the harboring government a moments notice before the strike so the harboring government wouldn't confuse the missile strike from India or one of their other enemies / neighboring countries.
where have I heard something similar before?
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2471510
Thats my point, it seems many people are out of touch on whats going on with the majority of americans, and base their decision solely on whats happening in their household. Crimzy brought this up earlier... for example Michigan, California, Ohio are leading states for foreclosures... and Michigan is in a recession....not to mention the buyout of possibably 70,000 workers who will be replaced with lower paid workers for GM.

Interesting this is brought up....those states right there are in the top ten and five for most social programs in the U.S.....wonder why they have issues, they have all those programs to save them.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2471429
My issue with this statement is that genocide is still currently happening in Africa in Congo and Sudan. In Kenya they are fighting because of the democratic elections that people say were rigged. There is a clear contradiction and is hypocritical because he is saying he wants to avoid a possible genocide in Iraq, but says nothing about the one that is currently going on that is a result of islamist extremists in the Sudan.
He also wants to send more troops to Iraq, not Afganistan

Hold the phone! Your view seems hypocritical, you have no problem with allowing our pull out to start a genocide in Iraq. Yet you want us to deal with the one in Africa? Hypocritical.
Here is my view and McCain's view. The single most important aspect of both situations is WE assisted directly in IRAQ. If we pull out and a genocide occurs we are at fault. We are not at fault for the genocide in Africa.
Also, what strategic value is there to place our military in Africa...They would have to be there for 100 years, and we all know Obama and Hilary are against having our troops anywhere for that long. Why would they be there that long? because when we leave the warlords would be back unless we set up and helped build another government...which we don't have the man power for.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2471612
Any possibility home forclosures are based on record home ownerships?
The forclosure issue is largely due to the fact these institutions weren't regulated and you'll see very soon this is going to be a much bigger issue once the feds start investigating everyone... There's a case in my area now where a

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co owner has like 174 counts he's facing due to this

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fraud.
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471756
Interesting this is brought up....those states right there are in the top ten and five for most social programs in the U.S.....wonder why they have issues, they have all those programs to save them.
thats because they have cities with large porportions of poor people and in the north in particular are industrial cities or agricutural in places like cali....
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Those cities didn't always have huge numbers of "poor" people....again, how is it the poor people keep groing in number with all these programs in place to help them.............
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471692
I would also like to point out Obama hasn't mentioned the war on terror or addressed it since that speech in fall/winter of 2007...4-5 months and not one peep, not one sound bite, and not even addressing it as an issue on his website....That is what makes me seriously wonder.
Hilary constantly addresses it, McCain addresses it, Obama....ignores it.
this is untrue.. sigma points this out that ... he has talked about the Iraq war in all his debates. And talked about his plan to get out of Iraq and that he would send an additional brigade or two to Afganistan...
If Hillary addresses it, bet that Obama does.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471877
Those cities didn't always have huge numbers of "poor" people....again, how is it the poor people keep groing in number with all these programs in place to help them.............
wrong... the changes in the economy has to do why there are increased social programs... economically Cali isn't doing well, As far as Michigan and Ohio... big businesses who employ 1000s are leaving or shutting down. These are largely industrial areas. and our economy has changes... these jobs are overseas or companies are employing cheaper labor.
 
oscardeuce

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Why are the big 3 leaving?
The jobs bank, and out of control costs. I saw how it worked, you'd get paid to make 100 widgets a shift, then overtime for anything over. You'd clock in and spank out 100 widgets in 3 hours, take a 2 hour lunch break then crank out 50 more. 150 in the time 100 should be made and get pain 12 hours for 8 hour's work. Then the consumer complains when the widgets fall apart, and buy from another maker.
Social programs only propigate more social programs. They are a vicious cycle that only grows, and never goes away.
 
rylan1

rylan1

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471864
Hold the phone! Your view seems hypocritical, you have no problem with allowing our pull out to start a genocide in Iraq. Yet you want us to deal with the one in Africa? Hypocritical.
Here is my view and McCain's view. The single most important aspect of both situations is WE assisted directly in IRAQ. If we pull out and a genocide occurs we are at fault. We are not at fault for the genocide in Africa.
Also, what strategic value is there to place our military in Africa...They would have to be there for 100 years, and we all know Obama and Hilary are against having our troops anywhere for that long. Why would they be there that long? because when we leave the warlords would be back unless we set up and helped build another government...which we don't have the man power for.
No, whats hypocritical is that McCain said he and Congress regrets the genocide they allowed to happen in Rwanda, and that he doesn't want it to happen in Iraq...yet its happening right now in Africa. I read a report that like in the last 8 years or so there have been over 500,000 deaths in Sudan region.
 
salty blues

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But Obama is so new and young and fresh and articulate and exciting and fresh and new and young and did I already say articulate and fresh and half black and half white and fresh and new and articulate and oh my I could just go on and on and on!!!!!!!!
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2471868
The forclosure issue is largely due to the fact these institutions weren't regulated and you'll see very soon this is going to be a much bigger issue once the feds start investigating everyone... There's a case in my area now where a

[hr]
co owner has like 174 counts he's facing due to this

[hr]
fraud.
Home Mortgages should NOT be regulated by the Feds. Nowhere Constitutionally does the Federal Government have the power to do that.
No one made people buy houses they couldn't afford.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2471900
No, whats hypocritical is that McCain said he and Congress regrets the genocide they allowed to happen in Rwanda, and that he doesn't want it to happen in Iraq...yet its happening right now in Africa. I read a report that like in the last 8 years or so there have been over 500,000 deaths in Sudan region.
Rylan, what do you want us to do in Africa? You always bring this up, I always ask you what you think we should do, and you never answer.
 
andy51632

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2471877
Those cities didn't always have huge numbers of "poor" people....again, how is it the poor people keep groing in number with all these programs in place to help them.............
You got to be kidding me. What a comment. I think they just like being poor and not being able to feed their familys. The price of everything has risen but do you think they got a raise at the meat packing plant? They are probally lucky if they didn't get laid off.
 
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